When did Vince "lose it" for you?

[Clint Bobski]

Been going back and watching the last few Royal Rumbles to get ready for 2019 - and I've noticed that from 2014 onwards, the crowd craps all over the finishes, mainly due to the wrong guy winning. It goes back to 2014 for me, when Reigns should've won that match ahead of Batista, then a year later, Reigns wins when the crowd had spent the whole night chanting for Daniel Bryan. Since then Vince has been determined to get his vision across more aggressively than ever. When did you recognise that VKM wasn't really giving a monkeys about what you thought?

[mcstoklasa]

The Cena era

[romanstylesiii]

The Roman thing. Cena got his huge fan base after a slow build to the top and had merch sales to justify him being a face

Roman was thrown in there, did as well as anyone could hope for, and still got ripped apart by the audience.

If they turned Roman heel, and told a really good story where he had to turn face, the fans would have likely got behind him. Instead, it just became comical how much Vince was trying to force it to happen. He sacrificed 4 Mania's and Roman still was not clicking, because everyone say through the push.

They recreated Daniel Bryan's push and it failed. They made him be like The Rock with the bad jokes and it failed. They redid a lot of Austin/McMahon tropes and it failed.

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

When Kane and Big Show started dumping every favorite out of that 2015 Rumble, I knew Vince had nothing left to contribute to the shows and society in general.

[nate5054]

I don't know what was first, but his tantrum with Stan Kroenkie or Million Dollar Mania.

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Another red flag was when Vince was asking for dead people to guest host.

[Magnus the Magnificent]

Pushing Luger before Bret.
Pushing Diesel before Bret.
Pushing Michaels before Bret.


Hmm, I can't quite put my finger on what the pattern here is..

[Steveweiser]

Excellent question, Shelton...

[FinalGwen]

Not long after I started watching wrestling. Some time between the end of the Invasion and the insulting post-Series Raw where the status quo was rigidly enforced despite all logic, and someone recording Wrestling With Shadows for me, I can't say I ever had a great deal of regard for Vince or his business decisions whether in terms of creative acumen or just basic decency.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

He lost it before I even started watching lol, the disastrous new generation era.

Because of desperation, he got it back and the attitude era started.

As a fan, I think he lost it when he started thinking that raw was a historic show like Bonanza or the Simpsons, then came the stupid guest gm era. That was a rotten year.

[Tenshigure]

Royal Rumble 2014. From Daniel Bryan not even being in the match (despite having nuclear hot support at the time), to Batista winning, setting up a rumored WrestleMania main event nobody wanted, to The Authority just...being the Authority, it was a train wreck waiting to happen.

Ironically enough, had they let Roman win that year he could've had a much better initial solo run since he was still beloved by all at the time as the silent enforcer of The Shield, but even that couldn't overcome the nonsense they had to correct over the following months.

The same thing happened the following three years at Royal Rumbles each year: terrible winner selections, boring matches with 'Local Men' dumping people for no reason, and course correction on the Road to WrestleMania. At least this year they had a good acceptable finish to the match (albeit the results of the winner at their match at WrestleMania are left to be desired), but it just hadn't been the same since that first serious downfall at RR2014.

[prichardmark]

It was pretty ironic with Vince talking to AJ about being "complacent" (Before he asked him his name.  He didn't know who AJ styles was apparently.  Way to treat the best wrestler in the world. )  ROFLMAO. Who has been more complacent than the Mcmahons for the last 10 plus years?


I would say further back to answer the OP. It was when he purchased WCW. It was all auto-pilot from there. This company hasn't done much since 2001 if were being truthful about it.  Vince has been on autopilot for almost 20 years.   Once WCW was bought he completely stopped listening to the fans.  its lead us to where we are today. 

In many ways, I wish WCW won the war.  Sure there would have definitely been some poor years but dig all the way back to 2001.  How many "quality years" has WWE had since?  I mean really.... Not many.   Plus it would have spared us all the Mcmahons having their ego trip on TV every week for the last 20 years. Nor have a 75 year old man, 20 years out of touch and his family (who refuses to force him out) running everything .   Bischoff could be bad but not as bad as the Mcmahons have been shoving themselves down our throats for 2 decades.

You name it. The Mcmahons have SCREWED IT UP.  I can't think of much since 2001, they haven't screwed up.   

Plus that, and for the last 30 years Vince has been on a continued quest to find the next Hogan.  He doesn't realize there will only be ONE Hogan.  There was only ever one and there will never be another one like him.  So quit trying to find the next one.  Cause there wont be one. 

[KobashiChop]

It begins with Rumble 2015. The awful Big Show and Kane monster run where they cleared out everyone before THE BIG DAWG beats them both. Awfully booked match


After that it was the whole Roman push. Not in that he shouldn't have been pushed but they showed themselves to be completely tone dead to what wasn't working

[Aceorton]

The months after he bought WCW were full of stupid, spiteful decisions (burying DDP, for example), but he did still have enough of a grasp on things to push some of those talented guys (Booker, Hurricane, etc.). I consider 2002 to be the point where he really first lost it, when he screwed up the arrangement with the World Wildlife Fund and then willingly changed the name of his product and officially became "Entertainment." It has been a downhill slide ever since the WWF ceased to be, punctuated by things really falling off a cliff with the Bryan/Lesnar/Reigns stuff. But becoming WWE 16 years ago was the opening of the floodgates. As an "entertainment" mogul with no true competition, he gutted the remaining emphasis on wrestling, slowly stopped caring about pleasing the fans, eventually resented it when they vocalized their displeasure (see: 2014 to present), and has cost himself untold millions of dollars.

[King Devitt: What Plants Crave]

Started noticing it during the Invasion, completely gave up on him during the "shoving Cena down our throats because Brock broke him" era.
It was the darkest timeline for me, and it wasn't fun watching a generic wrestler, generic character, and a heel in face clothing dominate for over a decade.

From then on it's been a downward spiral. I almost stopped watching wrestling completely during the Guest Host era.
Then again during Cena 2.0 ala Reigns.
Luckily I found alternatives.

[edgestar]

Both his kids are older than me, so he lost it too fsr in advance, for me to know.

[stevec484]

September 2000 it slowly started going downhill, then spiraled of control in April 2001

[BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED!]

Dec 26, 2018 17:08:48 GMT -5 Clint Bobski said:

Been going back and watching the last few Royal Rumbles to get ready for 2019 - and I've noticed that from 2014 onwards, the crowd craps all over the finishes, mainly due to the wrong guy winning. It goes back to 2014 for me, when Reigns should've won that match ahead of Batista, then a year later, Reigns wins when the crowd had spent the whole night chanting for Daniel Bryan. Since then Vince has been determined to get his vision across more aggressively than ever. When did you recognise that VKM wasn't really giving a monkeys about what you thought?

Except last year when Nakamura dumped Roman to win The Rumble and the fans went apeshit. Vince hasn't really lost it, he just does what he wants and with no competition and guys like Prichard and Patterson no longer around I'm not sure anyone speaks up much against his wishes.

[fw91]

Dec 26, 2018 18:27:48 GMT -5 Magnus the Magnificent said:

Pushing Luger before Bret.
Pushing Diesel before Bret.
Pushing Michaels before Bret.


Hmm, I can't quite put my finger on what the pattern here is..

he pushed Bret before all those guys. and chose Bret over Lex in 94

[Welfare Willis]

Mom's Spaghetti.