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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 3, 2019 14:50:15 GMT -5
Executive producer titles mean shit. Stan Lee was an executive producer for MCU movies. Isn't producer just a fancy name for the guy who gets others coffee? If they do it after writing a check for the production, sure.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 3, 2019 14:53:47 GMT -5
Executive producer titles mean shit. Stan Lee was an executive producer for MCU movies. Isn't producer just a fancy name for the guy who gets others coffee? You're thinking production assistant Producer is in charge of making the production happen. The producer is incredibly important - think the President of the movie. It is the producer who accepts the best picture award for a reason. Executive producer is usually a money guy, and not as involved in the day to day aspects. An executive producer would be like the CEO of the movie. An EP might also be someone who is just a major investor and not involved at all.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2019 14:55:38 GMT -5
WB should do Jon Peters' insane version of Superman. It would still be better than the Snyder cut. I genuinely want to see Superman fight a polar bear.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 3, 2019 15:01:21 GMT -5
Executive producer titles mean shit. Stan Lee was an executive producer for MCU movies. Isn't producer just a fancy name for the guy who gets others coffee? Executive producers are generally responsible for pitching the movie, securing financial investment, and being involved with the legal and marketing side. Few executive producers have anything to do with the creative side of the movies they're credited for, and never even step on set. Other executive producers get credited as such because the production company they run is used to make a movie, and they have absolutely no personal involvement whatsoever.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 3, 2019 15:05:12 GMT -5
To be honest, I actually like most of Zack's work. I was just telling these dudes---"Wan doesn't need Snyder's blessing on a movie Zack was only credited as an exec producer" haha
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2019 15:49:43 GMT -5
I've seen clips of Aquaman and I've noticed that colours like orange, red, green, turquoise and many others are visible in the film, so Snyder couldn't possibly have had any creative input.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 3, 2019 15:54:00 GMT -5
To be honest, I actually like most of Zack's work. I was just telling these dudes---"Wan doesn't need Snyder's blessing on a movie Zack was only credited as an exec producer" haha I certainly don't think Snyder is an abysmal filmmaker, but I do find the cult-like obsessive devotion of his fanbase equal parts amusing, irritating, and downright puzzling.
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Post by Juice on Jan 3, 2019 16:01:44 GMT -5
Whats just as annoying is people who won't stfu about Snyder in hatred too.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 3, 2019 16:06:36 GMT -5
Which ain't at all what this thread is bout huzzah!
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2019 16:49:03 GMT -5
Snyder's style and aesthetic is fine for his own self contained movies which can be aimed at his fans. It doesn't work as a basis for a valuable shared universe like DC where he tries to impose his vision on characters which are incompatible with it, like Superman.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 3, 2019 17:05:35 GMT -5
Isn't producer just a fancy name for the guy who gets others coffee? Executive producers are generally responsible for pitching the movie, securing financial investment, and being involved with the legal and marketing side. Few executive producers have anything to do with the creative side of the movies they're credited for, and never even step on set. Other executive producers get credited as such because the production company they run is used to make a movie, and they have absolutely no personal involvement whatsoever.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 3, 2019 17:06:54 GMT -5
it is because if they admit Snyder was bad it is admiting DC movies were bad. It is like when you know you are wrong and you double down on something to prove you are right"UH NO, DC MOVIES ARE AMAZING,..BECAUSE SNYDER IS A GREAT DIRECTOR!" A quote I have, unfortunately, committed to memory from one of these Snyder fanwank accounts: "Zack Snyder makes movies for actual grownups. They are dark, intellectual, complex, and challenging. They require the audience to think, use their common sense, are filled to the brim with subtle imagery and clever allegory, and subvert audience expectations." Can you imagine Zack Snyder being your bar for intellectual filmmaking? Or thinking any of the messianic symbolism in MOS and BVS, for example, is in any way subtle? Dude removed all subtlety from Watchmen. For one thing... Ozy basically has a flashing Neon board above his head saying "I'm the bad guy!" in the movie... and there is nothing adult about his vision of the DC universe... it's what edgey 14 year olds think is adult.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 3, 2019 17:10:32 GMT -5
A quote I have, unfortunately, committed to memory from one of these Snyder fanwank accounts: "Zack Snyder makes movies for actual grownups. They are dark, intellectual, complex, and challenging. They require the audience to think, use their common sense, are filled to the brim with subtle imagery and clever allegory, and subvert audience expectations." Can you imagine Zack Snyder being your bar for intellectual filmmaking? Or thinking any of the messianic symbolism in MOS and BVS, for example, is in any way subtle? Dude removed all subtlety from Watchmen. For one thing... Ozy basically has a flashing Neon board above his head saying "I'm the bad guy!" in the movie... and there is nothing adult about his vision of the DC universe... it's what edgey 14 year olds think is adult. That casting decision was the single biggest mistake I think, and it wasn't helped by surrounding Ozymandias with a drab villainous color palette. It was such a gut punch in the graphic novel. I think the first time I read it I just stared off into space for a few moments. Completely lost in the film.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 3, 2019 17:15:17 GMT -5
Executive producer titles mean shit. Stan Lee was an executive producer for MCU movies. Isn't producer just a fancy name for the guy who gets others coffee? its a fancy name for the guy that does nothing but still gets money.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 3, 2019 17:22:43 GMT -5
What I find odd is this attitude that the DCCU are these revelatory films breaking new ground vis-à-vis adaptations in showing a darker universe with the likes of Batman and Superman... yet there's numerous other media that have done that concept much better.
The recent animated DC films are a mixed bag certainly, but I'll take the more adult atmosphere and dynamics of an Under the Red Hood film sooner than the likes of Dawn of Justice or Justice League. Heck, the Injustice games verge on being outright wacky, but still deal with darker elements and consequences with better handling than Snyder's managed with these films.
Its the same weird ignorance that has people thinking Superman can only be written as big blue boy scout or brooding messiah, apparently unaware there was 10 years of the DCAU which, shock of shocks, actually wrote Clark to be nuanced yet still moral character.
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Post by Shark on Jan 3, 2019 17:56:20 GMT -5
I think we're overblowing this story a little. The hate and love for Snyder is obnoxious either way. Wan showed Snyder his cut of the movie, without the effects, and really seemed to just be looking for advice from Snyder, and Snyder said Wan was doing a great job. That's it. It wasn't Zack Snyder calling up James Wan and giving him his blessing to make the movie. It was Wan paying some professional courtesy since Snyder did get these movies started.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 3, 2019 18:49:05 GMT -5
No I get that; my reaction actually was to a click baity headline which I acknowledged later on in that Twitter thread. I was just amused by how quickly and vigorously I got ratioed haha.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 3, 2019 18:58:36 GMT -5
A quote I have, unfortunately, committed to memory from one of these Snyder fanwank accounts: "Zack Snyder makes movies for actual grownups. They are dark, intellectual, complex, and challenging. They require the audience to think, use their common sense, are filled to the brim with subtle imagery and clever allegory, and subvert audience expectations." Can you imagine Zack Snyder being your bar for intellectual filmmaking? Or thinking any of the messianic symbolism in MOS and BVS, for example, is in any way subtle? Dude removed all subtlety from Watchmen. For one thing... Ozy basically has a flashing Neon board above his head saying "I'm the bad guy!" in the movie... and there is nothing adult about his vision of the DC universe... it's what edgey 14 year olds think is adult. God... I liked Watchmen the first time I saw it but every time I watched it after the first time I could only see the flaws. Movie was trying WAY TOO HARD, which is pretty much the opposite tone from what Alan Moore wrote. I knew I was in for a bad time from the minute the movie went "dohohoho check out the lesbians bro!" (Which was both inaccurate to the text AND historically inaccurate). And don't even get me started on the barely veiled homophobia he conveys via Ozymandias.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 3, 2019 19:52:09 GMT -5
WB should do Jon Peters' insane version of Superman. It would still be better than the Snyder cut. I genuinely want to see Superman fight a polar bear. Brainiac was the one fighting the polar bear. Superman was supposed to fight the giant spider.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 20:32:20 GMT -5
This always just makes think about what if there was a massive support campaign for Joel Schumacher after Batman And Robin.
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