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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 3, 2019 20:32:59 GMT -5
A quote I have, unfortunately, committed to memory from one of these Snyder fanwank accounts: "Zack Snyder makes movies for actual grownups. They are dark, intellectual, complex, and challenging. They require the audience to think, use their common sense, are filled to the brim with subtle imagery and clever allegory, and subvert audience expectations." Can you imagine Zack Snyder being your bar for intellectual filmmaking? Or thinking any of the messianic symbolism in MOS and BVS, for example, is in any way subtle? Dude removed all subtlety from Watchmen. For one thing... Ozy basically has a flashing Neon board above his head saying "I'm the bad guy!" in the movie... and there is nothing adult about his vision of the DC universe... it's what edgey 14 year olds think is adult. God this hurts me, but I'm actually gonna defend Snyder here a bit. I feel there's no way WB approves $150 million budget for a "Smart, Thought Provoking Superhero Movie" in 2007/2008 when it was being made. I could see that being 100% a WB call to dumb it down. Doesn't mean Snyder made a perfect movie, but I doubt they were ever gonna let him make a spot on adaptation.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 3, 2019 20:41:20 GMT -5
This always just makes think about what if there was a massive support campaign for Joel Schumacher after Batman And Robin. There's a more comic-accurate Batman in that movie, at least.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jan 3, 2019 23:21:49 GMT -5
Zack Snyder fans make Hideo Kojima fans look sane.
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Post by DSR on Jan 3, 2019 23:27:23 GMT -5
WB should do Jon Peters' insane version of Superman. It would still be better than the Snyder cut. I genuinely want to see Superman fight a polar bear. This always just makes think about what if there was a massive support campaign for Joel Schumacher after Batman And Robin. This is the kinda stuff I wish the Animated division would handle. Or hell, even if they just did graphic novels, I would love to see Superman Lives or the back-to-dark take Schumacher had in mind for Batman Triumphant.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 3, 2019 23:46:39 GMT -5
WB should do Jon Peters' insane version of Superman. It would still be better than the Snyder cut. I genuinely want to see Superman fight a polar bear. This always just makes think about what if there was a massive support campaign for Joel Schumacher after Batman And Robin. This is the kinda stuff I wish the Animated division would handle. Or hell, even if they just did graphic novels, I would love to see Superman Lives or the back-to-dark take Schumacher had in mind for Batman Triumphant. I'm actually surprised they haven't done stuff like that, as graphic novel interpretations of unused media have become fairly common (Frank Miller's Robocop 2 and 3, Do Androids Dream).
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2019 0:15:36 GMT -5
WB should do Jon Peters' insane version of Superman. It would still be better than the Snyder cut. I genuinely want to see Superman fight a polar bear. Brainiac was the one fighting the polar bear. Superman was supposed to fight the giant spider. As long as I get to see someone fight a polar bear, it's all good.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 4, 2019 8:49:45 GMT -5
Brainiac was the one fighting the polar bear. Superman was supposed to fight the giant spider. As long as I get to see someone fight a polar bear, it's all good. I think this was something Jim Cornette said when he first started up Smokey Mountain.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 4, 2019 9:51:36 GMT -5
I wonder what the overlap is between Snyder obsessives, gamer/comicsgaters and bitcoin/crypto currency enthusiasts. They all seem to have a similarly obsessive pattern of behaviour on social media when it comes to critics.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 4, 2019 10:02:54 GMT -5
I legit didn't know Snyder could even have a cult around him.
To me, he was the 'slow motion dude'. He made some movies I liked, some I hated, and that's about it.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 4, 2019 10:20:44 GMT -5
I don't give a flying crap about a Synder cut. MoS was weak, BvS sucked, Justice League sucked... I just see it as an attempt to stay revelant.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 4, 2019 10:22:18 GMT -5
I don't give a flying crap about a Synder cut. MoS was weak, BvS sucked, Justice League sucked... I just see it as an attempt to stay revelant. Well, that's why he encourages these dumb adult-babies to harass the assistants at WB.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 4, 2019 10:26:07 GMT -5
I don't give a flying crap about a Synder cut. MoS was weak, BvS sucked, Justice League sucked... I just see it as an attempt to stay revelant. Well, that's why he encourages these dumb adult-babies to harass the assistants at WB. Well, at least Synder hasn't made a video of him preparing food asking to "Let Superman be Superman".
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Post by mrtuesday on Jan 4, 2019 11:28:36 GMT -5
Executive producer titles mean shit. Stan Lee was an executive producer for MCU movies. Isn't producer just a fancy name for the guy who gets others coffee?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 4, 2019 11:51:27 GMT -5
Dude removed all subtlety from Watchmen. For one thing... Ozy basically has a flashing Neon board above his head saying "I'm the bad guy!" in the movie... and there is nothing adult about his vision of the DC universe... it's what edgey 14 year olds think is adult. God this hurts me, but I'm actually gonna defend Snyder here a bit. I feel there's no way WB approves $150 million budget for a "Smart, Thought Provoking Superhero Movie" in 2007/2008 when it was being made. I could see that being 100% a WB call to dumb it down. Doesn't mean Snyder made a perfect movie, but I doubt they were ever gonna let him make a spot on adaptation. My point wasn't that Snyder took the "Veidt was wrong" stance... an ambiguous greater good ending like the book is one of the many reasons Moore called it unfilmable. It was more that they went out of their way to make Ozy look and sound like a mustache twirling villain. After all, you mean the dude wearing all black turned out to be the one behind everything? Ozy in the book wore Bright colors and was always cheerful when the characters talked to him. In the movie, he wore basically all black talked in a disinterested tone with a bonus subtle German accent on top of it. Veidt being wrong is the easiest way to explain without a deeper thought into the geopolitical climate of the cold war... doubly so because Snyder also had Ozy make the one move that would have made it worse than it was, what would appear as the US's super weapon making a pre-emptive strike on the USSR. Which is exactly how the Soviet Union would spin an attack by Doc.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 4, 2019 12:48:17 GMT -5
God this hurts me, but I'm actually gonna defend Snyder here a bit. I feel there's no way WB approves $150 million budget for a "Smart, Thought Provoking Superhero Movie" in 2007/2008 when it was being made. I could see that being 100% a WB call to dumb it down. Doesn't mean Snyder made a perfect movie, but I doubt they were ever gonna let him make a spot on adaptation. My point wasn't that Snyder took the "Veidt was wrong" stance... an ambiguous greater good ending like the book is one of the many reasons Moore called it unfilmable. It was more that they went out of their way to make Ozy look and sound like a mustache twirling villain. After all, you mean the dude wearing all black turned out to be the one behind everything? Ozy in the book wore Bright colors and was always cheerful when the characters talked to him. In the movie, he wore basically all black talked in a disinterested tone with a bonus subtle German accent on top of it. Veidt being wrong is the easiest way to explain without a deeper thought into the geopolitical climate of the cold war... doubly so because Snyder also had Ozy make the one move that would have made it worse than it was, what would appear as the US's super weapon making a pre-emptive strike on the USSR. Which is exactly how the Soviet Union would spin an attack by Doc. Kind of says a lot how Snyder went out of his way to make psychopath Rorschach into the "REAL HERO" of the movie...
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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2019 14:03:10 GMT -5
Another thing about Snyder's Watchmen is the computer in Veidt's lair that has a folder that says "PICTURES OF BOYS" or something like that. Veidt's homosexuality in the comic was always something hinted at but also ambiguous and never really revealed outright. In the Watchmen movie, it's made blatantly obvious. And that's not exactly something crucial to the plot either so there's no real way to scapegoat WB on that. Snyder put that in because he could.
And 300, the original movie that brought attention to Snyder's directing, was about as subtle as a cartoon anvil. Though at least in that case, he could just say he was doing an accurate adaptation of the source material. And 300 itself was fine for what it was: a fun, over-the-top action movie. But the last thing I'd call it is intellectual, complex, or challenging.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 4, 2019 14:36:20 GMT -5
Uh... they’d assume that the United States had attacked them even when multiple major US cities had been destroyed in exactly the same fashion?
I don’t want to wade too far into this but I felt Snyder’s ending with Ozy staging at an attack by Dr. Manhattan made much, much more sense than the squid thing in the comics.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 4, 2019 15:08:51 GMT -5
Uh... they’d assume that the United States had attacked them even when multiple major US cities had been destroyed in exactly the same fashion? I don’t want to wade too far into this but I felt Snyder’s ending with Ozy staging at an attack by Dr. Manhattan made much, much more sense than the squid thing in the comics. In the Watchmen Universe Doctor Manhattan is America on a global scale. He was their attack dog and they were using him to win wars. The Soviets were looking for an excuse to attack, so yes they would absolutely see Anericas attack dog blowing up one of their cities a sign of american aggression. Also literally Everything Ozy was doing in the book pointed to making a life form not making a bomb. Turning it from a creature makes a lot of threads just go nowhere. Also don't like the look of the squid? Make it look literally like anything else the point is it looked like something not of this world.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 4, 2019 15:13:05 GMT -5
Uh... they’d assume that the United States had attacked them even when multiple major US cities had been destroyed in exactly the same fashion? I don’t want to wade too far into this but I felt Snyder’s ending with Ozy staging at an attack by Dr. Manhattan made much, much more sense than the squid thing in the comics. In the Watchmen Universe Doctor Manhattan is America on a global scale. He was their attack dog and they were using him to win wars. The Soviets were looking for an excuse to attack, so yes they would absolutely see Anericas attack dog blowing up one of their cities a sign of american aggression. And even if was clear in the aftermath that Doctor Manhattan had gone rogue, they probably wouldn't have figured that out before launching a retaliatory strike. (Though I guess the same could be said for the squid thing)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 4, 2019 15:16:23 GMT -5
In the Watchmen Universe Doctor Manhattan is America on a global scale. He was their attack dog and they were using him to win wars. The Soviets were looking for an excuse to attack, so yes they would absolutely see Anericas attack dog blowing up one of their cities a sign of american aggression. And even if was clear in the aftermath that Doctor Manhattan had gone rogue, they probably wouldn't have figured that out before launching a retaliatory strike. (Though I guess the same could be said for the squid thing) The squid was only on American soil and was obviously not a Soviet missile. The Soviets wanted to be seen as the good guys on the global stage, attacking someone as they recover from a tragedy is a good way to lose any potential allies.
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