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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:11:10 GMT -5
Would people accept Sean Mooney dressed as Hulk Hogan?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 4, 2019 18:12:00 GMT -5
The question still remains though, if the racism rules out Hogan, who else is there? Isn't it the case that Gene deserves to have tributes paid to him on the weekly television show of the company whose popularity he was instrumental in helping to establish, by people he was closest to and most associated with? It seems people are prioritising their own preferences over what Gene would have wanted and his legacy deserves. Ric Flair. There. Promos EXACTLY as iconic, and multiple people in this thread have said so. Quit pretending like there's not an answer to your question.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 4, 2019 18:12:59 GMT -5
Can't call Savage,Warrior or Heenan to celebrate Gene so nobody should really have a issue with this. Someone who isn't an admitted racist would be nice.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 4, 2019 18:13:36 GMT -5
I think, taking away all the awfulness of Hogan away from this thread, the saddest thing to me is how few people who, when I think of Mean Gene, are already gone. Alive: Vince Flair Hogan Roberts Sheik Dont forget Ventura, but there's NO WAY Vince puts him on tv with a live mic.
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Post by Perd on Jan 4, 2019 18:14:18 GMT -5
Can’t they just honor him in table form like usual?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 4, 2019 18:14:54 GMT -5
I think, taking away all the awfulness of Hogan away from this thread, the saddest thing to me is how few people who, when I think of Mean Gene, are already gone. Alive: Vince Flair Hogan Roberts Sheik Dont forget Ventura, but there's NO WAY Vince puts him on tv with a live mic. Yeah, a Jesse quote would be nice, but I don't give him a live mic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:16:33 GMT -5
They rarely bring someone out on live TV to give a memorial to someone(not counting memorial shows for people who died while on the roster), so all this really is, is an excuse to bring him back to TV under circumstances they hope no one will boo him for. Don't give me that "But it HAS to be Hogan!" shit. A video package was good enough for Savage, Heenan, Sammartino, and so on. So this idea that they REALLY need Hogan there live is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:18:22 GMT -5
The question still remains though, if the racism rules out Hogan, who else is there? Isn't it the case that Gene deserves to have tributes paid to him on the weekly television show of the company whose popularity he was instrumental in helping to establish, by people he was closest to and most associated with? It seems people are prioritising their own preferences over what Gene would have wanted and his legacy deserves. Ric Flair. There. Promos EXACTLY as iconic, and multiple people in this thread have said so. Quit pretending like there's not an answer to your question. The Ric Flair that Teddy Long said used the N word against? That Ric Flair? This is what I mean by the selective outrage of the wrestling fan. The problem is for any of us who are over 25ish, the people we grew up idolising are a pool of pretty much disreputable human beings across the board. We rationalise it by pretending that if our favourite was a racist, homophobe, wife beater or drug abuser that it doesn't matter, it's the other guy who we didn't like whose racism, homophobia, wife beating and drug abusing makes him the real scumbag. I'm afraid it's an hypocrisy all fans over a certain age, which would include any fan legitimately qualified to have have an opinion on who is suitable to pay tribute to Mean Gene, are guilty of. Myself included.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 4, 2019 18:20:19 GMT -5
Ric Flair. There. Promos EXACTLY as iconic, and multiple people in this thread have said so. Quit pretending like there's not an answer to your question. The Ric Flair that Teddy Long said used the N word against? That Ric Flair? This is what I mean by the selective outrage of the wrestling fan. The problem is for any of us who are over 25ish, the people we grew up idolising are a pool of pretty much disreputable human beings across the board. We rationalise it by pretending that if our favourite was a racist, homophobe, wife beater or drug abuser that it doesn't matter, it's the other guy who we didn't like whose racism, homophobia, wife beating and drug abusing makes him the real scumbag. I'm afraid it's an hypocrisy all fans over a certain age, which would include any fan legitimately qualified to have have an opinion on who is suitable to pay tribute to Mean Gene, are guilty of. Myself included. Do you have a recording of Ric saying that? Link me, and I'll say I'm wrong, but if you don't have the words coming out of Flair's mouth, on tape, you're just deflecting.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jan 4, 2019 18:21:35 GMT -5
On the Something to Wrestle With tribute podcast, Bruce Prichard said Hogan was Mean Gene's favorite person to work with, and a close friend. Regardless of your personal opinion about Hulk, it makes sense.
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Post by facethatrunstheplace on Jan 4, 2019 18:23:22 GMT -5
I don't think people will boo him since it will be for a Mean Gene tribute, but if they do at least WWE will get this out of their system and not try it again. Did they jeer him at Crown Jewel? (Though I guess it wouldn't count either way since that was far from a traditional WWE crowd.) No he actually got a very positive at Crown Jewel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:24:41 GMT -5
They rarely bring someone out on live TV to give a memorial to someone(not counting memorial shows for people who died while on the roster), so all this really is, is an excuse to bring him back to TV under circumstances they hope no one will boo him for. Don't give me that "But it HAS to be Hogan!" shit. A video package was good enough for Savage, Heenan, Sammartino, and so on. So this idea that they REALLY need Hogan there live is ridiculous. You can practically hear the top brass going "now's our chance".
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Post by Texas Tornado on Jan 4, 2019 18:25:34 GMT -5
They rarely bring someone out on live TV to give a memorial to someone(not counting memorial shows for people who died while on the roster), so all this really is, is an excuse to bring him back to TV under circumstances they hope no one will boo him for. Don't give me that "But it HAS to be Hogan!" shit. A video package was good enough for Savage, Heenan, Sammartino, and so on. So this idea that they REALLY need Hogan there live is ridiculous. That's where I'm at with this. If this was a regular thing they did then it'd be less transparent, but since it's not (AND they're promoting it) you can see exactly why they're doing this.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 4, 2019 18:25:49 GMT -5
The question still remains though, if the racism rules out Hogan, who else is there? Isn't it the case that Gene deserves to have tributes paid to him on the weekly television show of the company whose popularity he was instrumental in helping to establish, by people he was closest to and most associated with? It seems people are prioritising their own preferences over what Gene would have wanted and his legacy deserves. Could easily do video packages of Hogan et al and then have Vince himself give the tribute. Your last bit is flawed because you can't claim to speak for what 'Gene would want' any more than anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:26:56 GMT -5
Ric Flair. There. Promos EXACTLY as iconic, and multiple people in this thread have said so. Quit pretending like there's not an answer to your question. The Ric Flair that Teddy Long said used the N word against? That Ric Flair? This is what I mean by the selective outrage of the wrestling fan. The problem is for any of us who are over 25ish, the people we grew up idolising are a pool of pretty much disreputable human beings across the board. We rationalise it by pretending that if our favourite was a racist, homophobe, wife beater or drug abuser that it doesn't matter, it's the other guy who we didn't like whose racism, homophobia, wife beating and drug abusing makes him the real scumbag. I'm afraid it's an hypocrisy all fans over a certain age, which would include any fan legitimately qualified to have have an opinion on who is suitable to pay tribute to Mean Gene, are guilty of. Myself included. Ric Flair doing Mean Gene's tribute would not cause the amount of outrage as Terry doing Mean Gene's tribute.
Anything Terry has done since then has caused outrage. Anything Ric Flair has done has not caused outrage.
Ric Flair doing it will not overshadow Mean Gene's tribute. Terry doing it will overshadow Mean Gene's tribute.
It's just that simple.
At this point this needs to be said, do you want Mean Gene to get a tribute and a highlight he deserves or do you want the talk to be about Hogan returning?
Because we all know what the talk will be about once Hogan is shown.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:31:02 GMT -5
When you strip it all away:
Warrior's homophobia was more offensive to me than Hogan's homophobia because I liked Hogan's character more than I did Warrior's.
Hulk Hogan's racism is more offensive than Flair's racism if you ask people who liked Flair's character more than Hogan's.
Austin's wife beating is less offensive than another wrestlers indiscretions for Stone Cold fans.
We need to admit we're ALL on that spectrum somewhere and hypocrites to a man. If we weren't able to rationalise in our head why we are so fond of these, objectively speaking, horrible, horrible human beings we'd never be able to switch on the WWE Network again. Cognitive dissonance is essential for any wrestling fan.
Apart from those who are now growing up idolising people whose biggest faux pas is breaking wind in the back seat of Ride Along. *shakes fist angrily in old man way*.
The rest of us, we're terrible people who won't admit it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:33:21 GMT -5
It seems people are prioritising their own preferences over what Gene would have wanted and his legacy deserves. On a wrestling forum that will not impact the proceedings in any way. People can voice their opinions the way they want. I'm not sure what you are looking for here.
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Post by blissified on Jan 4, 2019 18:33:44 GMT -5
Can't call Savage,Warrior or Heenan to celebrate Gene so nobody should really have a issue with this. Someone who isn't an admitted racist would be nice. So someone on the current roster with no connection to Gene?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 4, 2019 18:36:50 GMT -5
When you strip it all away: Warrior's homophobia was more offensive to me than Hogan's homophobia because I liked Hogan's character more than I did Warrior's. Hulk Hogan's racism is more offensive than Flair's racism if you ask people who liked Flair's character more than Hogan's. Austin's wife beating is less offensive than another wrestlers indiscretions for Stone Cold fans. We need to admit we're ALL on that spectrum somewhere and hypocrites to a man. If we weren't able to rationalise in our head why we are so fond of these, objectively speaking, horrible, horrible human beings we'd never be able to switch on the WWE Network again. Cognitive dissonance is essential for any wrestling fan. Apart from those who are now growing up idolising people whose biggest faux pas is breaking wind in the back seat of Ride Along. *shakes fist angrily in old man way*. The rest of us, we're terrible people who won't admit it. Dude.....stop. This isn't about some mythical "moral high ground". Stop trying to twist the narrative to make this not awful. Point blank: They are bringing in a racist asshole to pay tribute to this man, in a way they never, ever do for anyone else, plainly and baldly because they want to bring him back to tv with the "bare minimum" of complaining that they can then brush off as callousness. That is ALL this is. Stop trying to moralize about it and build this weird, fanciful "All wrestling fans are terrible people, but at least I admit it" narrative. Just....stop.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 4, 2019 18:39:41 GMT -5
Terry Bollea is a human turd Who else would you have? Ken Patera with his manager Sheik Adnan El Kaissie
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