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Post by mrtuesday on Jan 7, 2019 14:28:15 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder if Cornette was right. Maybe there are more marks in the ring than there are in the crowd. Some wrestlers take the business way too seriously. Cornette went on a Twitter tirade advocating murdering Kelly via Nazi concentration camp methods and selling the soap made from her fat. This statement was not for her doing the gimmicked spot, but for telling people to calm down because it was fake. So who exactly is taking the business way too seriously that they'd make Cornette right? I did not see the rant until I checked this thread. But he's clearly overreacting. However, I was referring to Cornette once saying that there were more marks in the ring/business than in the crowd. Considering how offended he is, he's showing how much of a mark he is
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 7, 2019 14:41:15 GMT -5
Cornette still making a living and being a visible presence online despite being such a wretched and bigoted human being is far more of a black mark on the industry than anything Priscilla Kelly could do to harm it.
(And for the record, not hugely bothered by the spot. It's not what I'd go for in wrestling, but looking at what else has been aired that I've put up with, it's not even that out of place, let alone shocking and world-destroying.)
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jan 7, 2019 16:05:29 GMT -5
The Cornette comments are pretty routine at this point. I can’t take him too seriously. He’s even made the boil ‘em in oil and sell their fat for soap comment before. His gimmick is outrage. A lot of his fans send him everything from the guy who set himself on fire to the guy that uses imaginary grenades. Everyone knew he was going to get that bloody tampon video. They want to hear Cornette get worked up and cut one of his promos. It’s basically become a comedy routine now.
I will say that it works for him. People are buying a ton of his merch. He always has long lines and sometimes the longest line at conventions. His podcast is doing well. Cornette is from a different time. He doesn’t like it when someone’s indy hustle exposes the wrestling business. Back in the day if anyone said wrestling was fake it was pretty much the worst sin someone could commit. I don’t think Vince would take it well if they had Cena vs Rollins booked for the next Mania and Cena said that he hopes everyone enjoys the show even if it’s fake. We all suspend our disbelief to a point. Being told wrestling is fake by someone who performs it certainly doesn’t help it.
For those that compare his comments about exposing the business to people knowing movies aren’t real it isn’t a good comparison. I think a more appropriate one would be comparing it to a magic show. Much like pro wrestling we know this form of entertainment is arranged. David Blaine does some impressive tricks but if he took to twitter and started posting that his show is fake it would hurt his business and the business of his fellow magicians. It’s not hard to understand that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 16:05:41 GMT -5
Here’s some notes from the interview Priscilla did on the observer site today:
She’s wanted to do the spot for awhile she’s just been waiting for the right place.She thought a small 21+ bar show was the right place.Her opponent was cool with it and it got a favorable reaction from the crowd.After the show fans came up to her and were positive about it.
She talked about wrestling being a performance and she doesn’t mind taking risks in performance.She originally got her name out there in wrestling by being over sexual groping and licking her female opponents.
The spot was a week old she hadn’t heard anything about it since and she was at her real job at GNC stocking shelves when her phone blew up with a ton of people talking shit about her.She said everyone is entitled to their opinions but the people in the business like Gail Kim who are supposedly respected going a social media talking crap about her but not having the decency to get in touch with her is really shitty.
She then talked about how before she got in wrestling she was on a reality show that was heavily scripted and people online and even her family talked crap about her and judged her for it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 7, 2019 16:13:30 GMT -5
In WWE you'd need at least five tampons to beat someone, especially at WM.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 16:42:16 GMT -5
In WWE you'd need at least five tampons to beat someone, especially at WM. Well only 1 if Stephanie did it
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 7, 2019 16:45:04 GMT -5
In WWE you'd need at least five tampons to beat someone, especially at WM. Well only 1 if Stephanie did it My anatomy is rusty. Where do the ladyballs come in to this?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 17:04:08 GMT -5
I'm in the camp that is not so much surprised it was done, it's more that it hasn't been done before. Figured this was something Incredibly Strange Wrestling covered 25 years ago.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 7, 2019 17:10:58 GMT -5
Actually Road Dogg. ROAD DOGG being all "Wrestling is about dignity". I'll have you know that The Queen of England herself couldn't have dryhumped her oppponents in a more dignified manner than Road Dogg did.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jan 7, 2019 18:36:12 GMT -5
My opinion is that its disgusting, sophomoric and crass. I know wrestling isn't high brow entertainment to begin with, but this, Joey Ryan's penis stuff, road dogg's doggie style,the Kiss my ass club, etc.... to me, all on the lower spectrum of low brow and it's not something that I personally enjoy watching. That's not something I want to pay to see.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 7, 2019 19:00:32 GMT -5
This is awesome and I love how this is grossing dudes out. I mean, it's gross, but we've seen so much blood between the ropes over the years - I love how many people this is taking out of their comfort zone. Like, is this *that* different from Mr. Socko? It's a good thing for the world and I'm glad it exists. Socko was my immediate thought. Ick response to period blood is fascinating to me.
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Post by The Blue Nova on Jan 7, 2019 20:50:50 GMT -5
Cornette still making a living and being a visible presence online despite being such a wretched and bigoted human being is far more of a black mark on the industry than anything Priscilla Kelly could do to harm it. (And for the record, not hugely bothered by the spot. It's not what I'd go for in wrestling, but looking at what else has been aired that I've put up with, it's not even that out of place, let alone shocking and world-destroying.) Ok.. How is he wretched and bigoted ?? Just because he dislikes all the indy darlings like Joey Ryan,The Young Bucks and etc. Does not make him a Bigot. I for one dislike them as well.. And gow is he wretched?? When my buddy was in the hospital Jim sent him a get well message. I have met Jim Cornette he is a good guy. The dude has been in the businesses since he was just 14 years old. He loves wrestling more then anything and it hurts him to see what it has become.. And I am sorry but hes right the Joey Ryans Priscilla Kellys, Bruce Pritchard,s and the Young bucks embarrass me to be a wrestling fan but I forget you can not say say that unless its about John Cena or someone.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 7, 2019 20:58:40 GMT -5
It may not be "Art" that you like, but how is it not "art?" That logic only applies if you're of the mindset that no wrestling is art and that wrestling is better suited to be classified as a "Craft" - which is an argument to be made as it's not so much subjective as, regardless the genre of wrestling, aiming to get a certain crowd reaction. Even with that being the case, it's still a successful well-applied use of the craft. Pro wrestling is a craft that can ascend to art when done at its highest level. The very definition of art is producing works that can be appreciated for their beauty or emotional power. There was no beauty or emotional power in that spot, just low brow shock value. The whole thing was a joke, they didn’t even have a ring setup. I am not sure why you are cape’ing so hard for this, I already said if that is your thing, that’s your thing. But, it ain’t mine, and I ain’t giving her no props for it. I see no redeeming value in it. Horseshit. The emotional power is how it got an entire industry shifted out of its comfort zone. Look at the visceral response it got. If it was just "shock value," this thread would have hit two pages and it would have been gone overnight. Was it shocking? Of course. But it was inventive, new and elicited a response. That favorable response from the crowd is beauty. That's art at its most powerful form, especially considering that nobody got hurt or was in any real danger. It was pure performance. That is art. "Good art" or "bad art" is in the eye of the beholder and I'm in no interest of debating that as there's no definitive answer. Rather, you're insisting something that's demonstrably false. You don't have to like it, that's your opinion. My issue is you're conflating personal preference with ridiculous grandiose statements that you're in no position to judge. You're literally here trying to define what "is" or "isn't" "art."
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Post by chazraps on Jan 7, 2019 21:00:27 GMT -5
The comparison lies in that it was implied Mankind was always keeping the socks in his genitals region, with the reaction being "that thing that was about the part of his anatomy with all the various liquids is now in his opponent's mouth." It's not like Mr. Socko was portrayed to be kept in his pocket. But he never actually opened his pants and reached all the way down to the bottom to pull it out. To me, it looked like he was literally pulling it from his pants as if the sock was sticking out the entire time. Either that, or I didn't think of "that" when i was watching Mankind. LOL He reached way down to the center of his crotch. The whole implication of it being there is the 70s/80s cliche joke of dudes stuffing their crotch with socks to make their bulge appear bigger.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 7, 2019 21:04:03 GMT -5
Cornette still making a living and being a visible presence online despite being such a wretched and bigoted human being is far more of a black mark on the industry than anything Priscilla Kelly could do to harm it. (And for the record, not hugely bothered by the spot. It's not what I'd go for in wrestling, but looking at what else has been aired that I've put up with, it's not even that out of place, let alone shocking and world-destroying.) Ok.. How is he wretched and bigoted ?? His comments on Muslims and people from the middle east, as well as the comments his former podcast co-host made about Judaism that he quietly agreed with.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 7, 2019 21:08:20 GMT -5
Pro wrestling is a craft that can ascend to art when done at its highest level. The very definition of art is producing works that can be appreciated for their beauty or emotional power. There was no beauty or emotional power in that spot, just low brow shock value. The whole thing was a joke, they didn’t even have a ring setup. I am not sure why you are cape’ing so hard for this, I already said if that is your thing, that’s your thing. But, it ain’t mine, and I ain’t giving her no props for it. I see no redeeming value in it. Horseshit. The emotional power is how it got an entire industry shifted out of its comfort zone. Look at the visceral response it got. If it was just "shock value," this thread would have hit two pages and it would have been gone overnight. Was it shocking? Of course. But it was inventive, new and elicited a response. That favorable response from the crowd is beauty. That's art at its most powerful form, especially considering that nobody got hurt or was in any real danger. It was pure performance. That is art. "Good art" or "bad art" is in the eye of the beholder and I'm in no interest of debating that as there's no definitive answer. Rather, you're insisting something that's demonstrably false. You don't have to like it, that's your opinion. My issue is you're conflating personal preference with ridiculous grandiose statements that you're in no position to judge. You're literally here trying to define what "is" or "isn't" "art." This ain’t get no emotional response out of me, bud, it has got me spending a combined 8 min typing some posts on a message board. One of them was done while taking a dump at work, I guess I was making some art. I don’t think some minor talk on the internet is exactly shaking the industry to its core. You are acting like it got Austin helps Foley win the belt pop. Like, I’m not even against it. It’s whatever, it’s just gross and trashy.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 7, 2019 21:10:35 GMT -5
Cornette still making a living and being a visible presence online despite being such a wretched and bigoted human being is far more of a black mark on the industry than anything Priscilla Kelly could do to harm it. (And for the record, not hugely bothered by the spot. It's not what I'd go for in wrestling, but looking at what else has been aired that I've put up with, it's not even that out of place, let alone shocking and world-destroying.) Ok.. How is he wretched and bigoted ?? Just because he dislikes all the indy darlings like Joey Ryan,The Young Bucks and etc. Does not make him a Bigot. I for one dislike them as well.. And gow is he wretched?? When my buddy was in the hospital Jim sent him a get well message. I have met Jim Cornette he is a good guy. The dude has been in the businesses since he was just 14 years old. He loves wrestling more then anything and it hurts him to see what it has become.. And I am sorry but hes right the Joey Ryans Priscilla Kellys, Bruce Pritchard,s and the Young bucks embarrass me to be a wrestling fan but I forget you can not say say that unless its about John Cena or someone. www.cagesideseats.com/cageside-seats-features/2015/12/19/10625820/jim-cornettes-islamophobic-views-have-no-place-in-wrestling (Language and content warning, because... Well, yeah.)
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Post by Main Eventer on Jan 7, 2019 21:13:58 GMT -5
Here’s some notes from the interview Priscilla did on the observer site today: She’s wanted to do the spot for awhile she’s just been waiting for the right place.She thought a small 21+ bar show was the right place.Her opponent was cool with it and it got a favorable reaction from the crowd.After the show fans came up to her and were positive about it. She talked about wrestling being a performance and she doesn’t mind taking risks in performance.She originally got her name out there in wrestling by being over sexual groping and licking her female opponents. The spot was a week old she hadn’t heard anything about it since and she was at her real job at GNC stocking shelves when her phone blew up with a ton of people talking shit about her.She said everyone is entitled to their opinions but the people in the business like Gail Kim who are supposedly respected going a social media talking crap about her but not having the decency to get in touch with her is really shitty. She then talked about how before she got in wrestling she was on a reality show that was heavily scripted and people online and even her family talked crap about her and judged her for it. At least we know she got that sweet GNC discount on the tampon she used for the spot.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 7, 2019 21:35:26 GMT -5
Horseshit. The emotional power is how it got an entire industry shifted out of its comfort zone. Look at the visceral response it got. If it was just "shock value," this thread would have hit two pages and it would have been gone overnight. Was it shocking? Of course. But it was inventive, new and elicited a response. That favorable response from the crowd is beauty. That's art at its most powerful form, especially considering that nobody got hurt or was in any real danger. It was pure performance. That is art. "Good art" or "bad art" is in the eye of the beholder and I'm in no interest of debating that as there's no definitive answer. Rather, you're insisting something that's demonstrably false. You don't have to like it, that's your opinion. My issue is you're conflating personal preference with ridiculous grandiose statements that you're in no position to judge. You're literally here trying to define what "is" or "isn't" "art." This ain’t get no emotional response out of me, bud, it has got me spending a combined 8 min typing some posts on a message board. One of them was done while taking a dump at work, I guess I was making some art. I don’t think some minor talk on the internet is exactly shaking the industry to its core. You are acting like it got Austin helps Foley win the belt pop. Like, I’m not even against it. It’s whatever, it’s just gross and trashy. Again, you're saying it got no response from you - despite your wildly hyperbolic insistence that it "isn't art" and "makes wrestling look bad" and your repeated posts defending your reaction on a messageboard - right? Sounds like it did. Regardless, it may not be your cup of tea, but it got a lasting favorable and intended reaction from the crowd and is resonating with people online worldwide. Sounds like an effective piece of art to me. Art can be "gross" and "trashy," but it's still art.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 7, 2019 22:25:35 GMT -5
If it was just "shock value," this thread would have hit two pages and it would have been gone overnight. Hell, the thread on the wrestler who literally tried to murder another worker with a cement brick only made it to three pages.
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