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Post by Convoy on Jan 20, 2019 10:26:44 GMT -5
Not to mention that WWE has that clause which states that they can extend contracts due to timed missed by injury.
So if The Revival are signed thru 4/2020, that doesn’t even count the two months Dash missed with the broken jaw or the four months Dawson missed with the injured bicep.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 13:58:03 GMT -5
Also I read another post that I'm not sure is accurate but it was apparently made by one of their dad's on social media. He said that they were told to give them a few months to show they're changing things. Who knows if that's real.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 20, 2019 19:07:28 GMT -5
I watched the Revival vs LHP match after this story broke, and I was not shocked they would want to quit when they cut to the line of jobbers trying to talk to Vince.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 20, 2019 20:06:57 GMT -5
If these dudes are holding out for a greater prominence of tag team stuff in general rather than just their own TV time then my respect for them just skyrocketed. Speaking out for their passion and for the whole of what they do instead of just their own act.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 2:06:13 GMT -5
I feel as though if those demands were made by Ziggler or someone else unpopular many would be ripping into them right now. It comes off as a bit whiny and entitled to me.
But then I'm not a fan, hence my interpretation being coloured that way.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Jan 21, 2019 2:58:13 GMT -5
I feel as though if those demands were made by Ziggler or someone else unpopular many would be ripping into them right now. It comes off as a bit whiny and entitled to me. But then I'm not a fan, hence my interpretation being coloured that way. Whiny and entitled to want your release from a job you’re unhappy with? f*** me, I guess I’ve been whiny and entitled at a couple places myself.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 21, 2019 3:08:02 GMT -5
I feel as though if those demands were made by Ziggler or someone else unpopular many would be ripping into them right now. It comes off as a bit whiny and entitled to me. But then I'm not a fan, hence my interpretation being coloured that way. Whiny and entitled to say "Hey so if you're not going to treat any of this whole actual genre of what we do as worth being around, we don't want to be here"? Nah man, that's a solid complaint a lot of fans already have, WWE treats tag team wrestling as filler most of the time and on Raw right now, like a total joke. Ziggler gets guff for his complaints because they go on year after year while he sits around signing contracts every time. I can't see anyone getting dismissed just on principle for trying to stand up for an entire downtrodden division, which is what these complaints are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 4:03:35 GMT -5
If Ziggler said the same thing about most of the midcard being jokes we'd applaud him as well.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 21, 2019 4:33:00 GMT -5
I feel as though if those demands were made by Ziggler or someone else unpopular many would be ripping into them right now. It comes off as a bit whiny and entitled to me. But then I'm not a fan, hence my interpretation being coloured that way. Whiny and entitled to say "Hey so if you're not going to treat any of this whole actual genre of what we do as worth being around, we don't want to be here"? Nah man, that's a solid complaint a lot of fans already have, WWE treats tag team wrestling as filler most of the time and on Raw right now, like a total joke. Ziggler gets guff for his complaints because they go on year after year while he sits around signing contracts every time. I can't see anyone getting dismissed just on principle for trying to stand up for an entire downtrodden division, which is what these complaints are. To add to this, isn’t WWE a place that talks about “passion” and “determination” to want to be there? To the point where it feels like most of the roster can be replaced in an instant if Vince so wished? So why keep people around if they might bring “negativity” to a lockerroom and don’t want to be there? Oh yeah, an actual rival promotion is starting up now... If Ziggler said the same thing about most of the midcard being jokes we'd applaud him as well. Also this, because it’s true.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 21, 2019 4:44:01 GMT -5
I hope that WWE takes their criticism to heart and gets their shit together, but obviously, we can hope for a lot of things that may or may not happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 14:06:18 GMT -5
I feel as though if those demands were made by Ziggler or someone else unpopular many would be ripping into them right now. It comes off as a bit whiny and entitled to me. But then I'm not a fan, hence my interpretation being coloured that way. Whiny and entitled to say "Hey so if you're not going to treat any of this whole actual genre of what we do as worth being around, we don't want to be here"? Nah man, that's a solid complaint a lot of fans already have, WWE treats tag team wrestling as filler most of the time and on Raw right now, like a total joke. Ziggler gets guff for his complaints because they go on year after year while he sits around signing contracts every time. I can't see anyone getting dismissed just on principle for trying to stand up for an entire downtrodden division, which is what these complaints are. I feel as though if those demands were made by Ziggler or someone else unpopular many would be ripping into them right now. It comes off as a bit whiny and entitled to me. But then I'm not a fan, hence my interpretation being coloured that way. Whiny and entitled to want your release from a job you’re unhappy with? f*** me, I guess I’ve been whiny and entitled at a couple places myself. Asking for the release isn't the issue here, I've no problem with that. I'll concede too that this is very likely coloured by my view of the team (not a fan), but unless they were asked to speak to management on behalf of the others in the tag division (which would completely change my thoughts), I don't like it when people presume to speak on behalf of others. Additionally, yes the booking isn't great right now across the board, but The Revival, who in main roster terms are largely enhancement guys, they dont have the standing currently to ask or demand anything. If they were longer tenured then theyd perhaps have the brownie points to do so, but simple fact is they're not integral. It feels like they've overestimated their worth to WWE. That's not saying they've overestimated their worth to the wrestling industry because no doubt they'd have their pick of bookings. If they asked purely on their behalf, fine, but I wouldn't walk into a higher up's office and ask for a total change of direction in any industry unless I had the foundation beneath me to do so, that's all.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 21, 2019 14:19:25 GMT -5
Whiny and entitled to say "Hey so if you're not going to treat any of this whole actual genre of what we do as worth being around, we don't want to be here"? Nah man, that's a solid complaint a lot of fans already have, WWE treats tag team wrestling as filler most of the time and on Raw right now, like a total joke. Ziggler gets guff for his complaints because they go on year after year while he sits around signing contracts every time. I can't see anyone getting dismissed just on principle for trying to stand up for an entire downtrodden division, which is what these complaints are. Whiny and entitled to want your release from a job you’re unhappy with? f*** me, I guess I’ve been whiny and entitled at a couple places myself. Asking for the release isn't the issue here, I've no problem with that. I'll concede too that this is very likely coloured by my view of the team (not a fan), but unless they were asked to speak to management on behalf of the others in the tag division (which would completely change my thoughts), I don't like it when people presume to speak on behalf of others. Additionally, yes the booking isn't great right now across the board, but The Revival, who in main roster terms are largely enhancement guys, they dont have the standing currently to ask or demand anything. If they were longer tenured then theyd perhaps have the brownie points to do so, but simple fact is they're not integral. It feels like they've overestimated their worth to WWE. That's not saying they've overestimated their worth to the wrestling industry because no doubt they'd have their pick of bookings. If they asked purely on their behalf, fine, but I wouldn't walk into a higher up's office and ask for a total change of direction in any industry unless I had the foundation beneath me to do so, that's all. It doesn't sound like they were leveraging their star power and notoriety to try and bring about change, they were saying that if the whole form of wrestling that is their career isn't something that could be treated with respect, they want to ply their craft somewhere else. You don't need to be asked by everyone to stand up for what you think is right and you don't need to be important to do so. I don't see anything there that says they spoke on everyone's behalf, just that they wanted out because they were unhappy with how eveeryone was being treated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 14:24:03 GMT -5
Asking for the release isn't the issue here, I've no problem with that. I'll concede too that this is very likely coloured by my view of the team (not a fan), but unless they were asked to speak to management on behalf of the others in the tag division (which would completely change my thoughts), I don't like it when people presume to speak on behalf of others. Additionally, yes the booking isn't great right now across the board, but The Revival, who in main roster terms are largely enhancement guys, they dont have the standing currently to ask or demand anything. If they were longer tenured then theyd perhaps have the brownie points to do so, but simple fact is they're not integral. It feels like they've overestimated their worth to WWE. That's not saying they've overestimated their worth to the wrestling industry because no doubt they'd have their pick of bookings. If they asked purely on their behalf, fine, but I wouldn't walk into a higher up's office and ask for a total change of direction in any industry unless I had the foundation beneath me to do so, that's all. It doesn't sound like they were leveraging their star power and notoriety to try and bring about change, they were saying that if the whole form of wrestling that is their career isn't something that could be treated with respect, they want to ply their craft somewhere else. You don't need to be asked by everyone to stand up for what you think is right and you don't need to be important to do so. I don't see anything there that says they spoke on everyone's behalf, just that they wanted out because they were unhappy with how eveeryone was being treated. I read it differently, but you could well be right there. As I say, speaking on behalf of others is a real bugbear of mine so any indication of it gets my back up. If they'resemble unhappy I just think there's more effective ways for someone in their position.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 21, 2019 14:39:49 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like they were leveraging their star power and notoriety to try and bring about change, they were saying that if the whole form of wrestling that is their career isn't something that could be treated with respect, they want to ply their craft somewhere else. You don't need to be asked by everyone to stand up for what you think is right and you don't need to be important to do so. I don't see anything there that says they spoke on everyone's behalf, just that they wanted out because they were unhappy with how eveeryone was being treated. I read it differently, but you could well be right there. As I say, speaking on behalf of others is a real bugbear of mine so any indication of it gets my back up. If they'resemble unhappy I just think there's more effective ways for someone in their position. "Nobody here is getting any respect, so we want out of our contracts" doesn't really read lots of room for speaking on behalf of everyone else. It's citing everybody's mistreatment as an issue for them, nowhere does it seem like they stepped out on everyone's behalf or that they tried to get other people to join them in leaving. They're unhappy, the fact that the whole division is a joke is making them unhappy, you can even extend stuff like "the champs didn't even figure into Raw's plans at all" as being a problem for them too because even if they had the title their position would be crappy. It feels like you're giving this a weird read because you already don't like the guys.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 21, 2019 14:59:55 GMT -5
I feel as though if those demands were made by Ziggler or someone else unpopular many would be ripping into them right now. It comes off as a bit whiny and entitled to me. But then I'm not a fan, hence my interpretation being coloured that way. People have been saying Ziggler should leave for a year or so to freshen himself up away from WWE for years though... Is this post supposed to be the new "BUT IF CM PUNK DID IT!"? Because if so that's pretty disappointing as the IWC is just now getting over that lame talking point.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 21, 2019 15:36:32 GMT -5
Yeah, the contempt for Ziggler at this point is based on calling his bluff. He goes on his same old "I STOLE THE SHOW! I DESERVE RESPECT!" screeds, so.....bounce, dude. But he keeps signing contract extensions, so at this point, it's on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:42:37 GMT -5
I feel as though if those demands were made by Ziggler or someone else unpopular many would be ripping into them right now. It comes off as a bit whiny and entitled to me. But then I'm not a fan, hence my interpretation being coloured that way. People have been saying Ziggler should leave for a year or so to freshen himself up away from WWE for years though... Is this post supposed to be the new "BUT IF CM PUNK DID IT!"? Because if so that's pretty disappointing as the IWC is just now getting over that lame talking point. The wanting to leave isn't really the focus of what I was saying, it was the speaking for others, if the bit about Gable/Roode were true, but as has been pointed out I'm likely reading what isn't there. The equivalency isn't what I was going for, but point taken. I do feel confirmation bias is a big thing in wrestling fandom, but the Punk thing did become Godwins law (Gangrel's law? Nah. That involves more fire and blood) for wrestling for a while.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 21, 2019 15:45:20 GMT -5
People have been saying Ziggler should leave for a year or so to freshen himself up away from WWE for years though... Is this post supposed to be the new "BUT IF CM PUNK DID IT!"? Because if so that's pretty disappointing as the IWC is just now getting over that lame talking point. The wanting to leave isn't really the focus of what I was saying, it was the speaking for others, if the bit about Gable/Roode were true, but as has been pointed out I'm likely reading what isn't there. The equivalency isn't what I was going for, but point taken. I do feel confirmation bias is a big thing in wrestling fandom, but the Punk thing did become Godwins law (Gangrel's law? Nah. That involves more fire and blood) for wrestling for a while. It isn't speaking for others to take issue with their treatment and decide you personally don't want a part of something.
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 21, 2019 15:50:23 GMT -5
I think just because they got over in nxt doesn’t mean they’d get over on the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:52:48 GMT -5
The wanting to leave isn't really the focus of what I was saying, it was the speaking for others, if the bit about Gable/Roode were true, but as has been pointed out I'm likely reading what isn't there. The equivalency isn't what I was going for, but point taken. I do feel confirmation bias is a big thing in wrestling fandom, but the Punk thing did become Godwins law (Gangrel's law? Nah. That involves more fire and blood) for wrestling for a while. It isn't speaking for others to take issue with their treatment and decide you personally don't want a part of something. I read it as the source saying they were the ones who raised the examples of The Bar, AoP and Groodle. To me, especially in a company's petty as WWE can be (not giving them their release a clear example) that's just making waves for other guys who might not have as big a problem for the sake of their own careers, but that's just my perception and as we've already said, is probably wrong based on my own bias.
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