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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 20, 2019 11:47:02 GMT -5
Not to dogpile, but if you're this concerned about jumping to conclusions, you also probably shouldn't dig in your heels about a situation you freely admit you don't know intimately. That, too, is jumping to a conclusion. Not defending him. Just stated that ANYTIME celebrity is accused of a crime people just immediately to conclusions without any factual information involved. I researched his behavior and I can admit he got away with shady and disgusting behavior. I can freely admit when I am wrong, however, the reality of the situation is that the parents also should be in jail for letting their teenage daughter spend time with a grown man.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 11:48:33 GMT -5
Then you are, pure and simply, talking about something you know absolutely nothing about. Are you not comprehending what has been stated here over the course of multiple pages regarding how he's gotten away with it? Please go find other threads to post in. You are no longer allowed to post in this one, effective immediately. Listen as I said, I haven't followed every bit of the case admittedly. All I've seen in the past was bits and pieces of information here and there. I remembered the trial but didn't follow the case at all. From my perspective I viewed it as an attempt to get money especially when Gloria Allred(a known celebrity ambulance chaser) got involved. From what I've researched so far, it definitely looks as if R. Kelly got away with shady and disgusting behavior. But I also fault the parents who allowed their teenage daughter to spend time with a grown man in the first place. Dude, seriously, stop
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 20, 2019 11:49:15 GMT -5
If aliens ever landed and asked what's the strangest thing about human nature, near the top of the list for me would be celebrity hero worship, where you defend them no matter what BS they're up to. There's a lot of things wrong with human nature and I highly doubt that'd be the top of the list. Hero worship has been around for ages and it's not anything new. I definitely don't worship R. Kelly, he had a few songs that I listened to in my youth, he wasn't anyone whose albums I purchased, no posters on my wall, and never followed his career or his life if you will like I followed and studied Michael Jackson.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 20, 2019 11:53:17 GMT -5
Listen as I said, I haven't followed every bit of the case admittedly. All I've seen in the past was bits and pieces of information here and there. I remembered the trial but didn't follow the case at all. From my perspective I viewed it as an attempt to get money especially when Gloria Allred(a known celebrity ambulance chaser) got involved. From what I've researched so far, it definitely looks as if R. Kelly got away with shady and disgusting behavior. But I also fault the parents who allowed their teenage daughter to spend time with a grown man in the first place. Dude, seriously, stop There's disgusting blame to go across the board. All I know is if that were my daughter and I found out ANY man, I don't care how big, rich, popular, or lawyered up they are if a grown man urinated on my daughter he would be dead before the cops got to him. The problem is too many people let celebrities get away because of their stardom. Yes, R. Kelly should be jail for having sex with underage girls and urinating on one especially on video. What I am having trouble understanding is why didn't they pursue this further? Yes I am well aware of now he had a trial and was acquitted. But at some point someone had to have seen something WAY before the age of the Internet and should've said something. This type of behavior didn't start during his career he's been doing this for awhile.
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Post by Pure Fusion Jesse Walsh on Jan 20, 2019 12:42:03 GMT -5
There's disgusting blame to go across the board. All I know is if that were my daughter and I found out ANY man, I don't care how big, rich, popular, or lawyered up they are if a grown man urinated on my daughter he would be dead before the cops got to him. The problem is too many people let celebrities get away because of their stardom. Yes, R. Kelly should be jail for having sex with underage girls and urinating on one especially on video. What I am having trouble understanding is why didn't they pursue this further? Yes I am well aware of now he had a trial and was acquitted. But at some point someone had to have seen something WAY before the age of the Internet and should've said something. This type of behavior didn't start during his career he's been doing this for awhile.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 20, 2019 12:51:04 GMT -5
There's disgusting blame to go across the board. All I know is if that were my daughter and I found out ANY man, I don't care how big, rich, popular, or lawyered up they are if a grown man urinated on my daughter he would be dead before the cops got to him. The problem is too many people let celebrities get away because of their stardom. Yes, R. Kelly should be jail for having sex with underage girls and urinating on one especially on video. What I am having trouble understanding is why didn't they pursue this further? Yes I am well aware of now he had a trial and was acquitted. But at some point someone had to have seen something WAY before the age of the Internet and should've said something. This type of behavior didn't start during his career he's been doing this for awhile. I am actually agreeing with you guys now. I really don't understand why everyone is making it seem like I am defending him. I actually don't care about R. Kelly's music at all. If you really want to see full blown defense of him just check out the YouTube comments for his song "I Admit". Nowhere in my posts did I defend or make excuses for him. I was simply presenting my opinion on celebrities being accused of a crime. That's all. I apologize if it seemed like I was defending him but I wasn't. I definitely won't contribute to this thread anymore.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 20, 2019 13:08:05 GMT -5
Not to dogpile, but if you're this concerned about jumping to conclusions, you also probably shouldn't dig in your heels about a situation you freely admit you don't know intimately. That, too, is jumping to a conclusion. Not defending him. Just stated that ANYTIME celebrity is accused of a crime people just immediately to conclusions without any factual information involved. I researched his behavior and I can admit he got away with shady and disgusting behavior. I can freely admit when I am wrong, however, the reality of the situation is that the parents also should be in jail for letting their teenage daughter spend time with a grown man. You’re still not getting it. You went from let’s not jump to conclusions to jumping down the parents neck
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 20, 2019 14:24:47 GMT -5
Then you are, pure and simply, talking about something you know absolutely nothing about. Are you not comprehending what has been stated here over the course of multiple pages regarding how he's gotten away with it? Please go find other threads to post in. You are no longer allowed to post in this one, effective immediately. Listen as I said, I haven't followed every bit of the case admittedly. All I've seen in the past was bits and pieces of information here and there. I remembered the trial but didn't follow the case at all. From my perspective I viewed it as an attempt to get money especially when Gloria Allred(a known celebrity ambulance chaser) got involved. From what I've researched so far, it definitely looks as if R. Kelly got away with shady and disgusting behavior. But I also fault the parents who allowed their teenage daughter to spend time with a grown man in the first place. I specifically said for you not to post in this thread again. Do so again and you'll be suspended for two weeks from the boards.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 20, 2019 15:19:53 GMT -5
Whenever anyone uses the "money and/or fame" argument to defend someone from sexual abuse allegations I always ask which victim has ever gained either from the allegations in question?
It just doesn't happen.
None of Cosby's victims have become rich and famous, and most of Weinstein's victims were already rich and famous and thus had nothing to gain in that regard.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 20, 2019 15:36:22 GMT -5
Whenever anyone uses the "money and/or fame" argument to defend someone from sexual abuse allegations I always ask which victim has ever gained either from the allegations in question? It just doesn't happen. None of Cosby's victims have become rich and famous, and most of Weinstein's victims were already rich and famous and thus had nothing to gain in that regard. You also have to make sense of these type of things. If rumors have been following you around for 20 years, this isn't some witch hunt especially in the case of R Kelly where he actually has a tape of him doing this and the legal argument was you can't determine if the girl was underage in the video
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 20, 2019 17:31:58 GMT -5
Whenever anyone uses the "money and/or fame" argument to defend someone from sexual abuse allegations I always ask which victim has ever gained either from the allegations in question? It just doesn't happen. None of Cosby's victims have become rich and famous, and most of Weinstein's victims were already rich and famous and thus had nothing to gain in that regard. You also have to make sense of these type of things. If rumors have been following you around for 20 years, this isn't some witch hunt especially in the case of R Kelly where he actually has a tape of him doing this and the legal argument was you can't determine if the girl was underage in the video If R Kelly can't tell the difference between a 14 year old and an adult, maybe he should just swear off sex and become a monk of something.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 20, 2019 17:35:11 GMT -5
You also have to make sense of these type of things. If rumors have been following you around for 20 years, this isn't some witch hunt especially in the case of R Kelly where he actually has a tape of him doing this and the legal argument was you can't determine if the girl was underage in the video If R Kelly can't tell the difference between a 14 year old and an adult, maybe he should just swear off sex and become a monk of something. No he knew the age of the girl
His lawyer defense was you can't tell her age based upon the video
Keep in mind she was 17 at the time of the trial and the sex tape was recorded when she was 14/15
However, she didn't testify so that's the big factor in it all
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 20, 2019 17:54:31 GMT -5
If R Kelly can't tell the difference between a 14 year old and an adult, maybe he should just swear off sex and become a monk of something. No he knew the age of the girl His lawyer defense was you can't tell her age based upon the video
Keep in mind she was 17 at the time of the trial and the sex tape was recorded when she was 14/15 However, she didn't testify so that's the big factor in it all
Oh I know. I'm just putting paid to the "seriously I didn't know she was 14" defense.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 21, 2019 1:59:55 GMT -5
If R Kelly can't tell the difference between a 14 year old and an adult, maybe he should just swear off sex and become a monk of something. No he knew the age of the girl His lawyer defense was you can't tell her age based upon the video
Keep in mind she was 17 at the time of the trial and the sex tape was recorded when she was 14/15 However, she didn't testify so that's the big factor in it all
What state was it? Cuz depending on age of consent laws, "I didn't know that this girl who is currently underage was underage a number of years ago".... Yikes!
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 21, 2019 2:14:26 GMT -5
No he knew the age of the girl His lawyer defense was you can't tell her age based upon the video
Keep in mind she was 17 at the time of the trial and the sex tape was recorded when she was 14/15 However, she didn't testify so that's the big factor in it all
What state was it? Cuz depending on age of consent laws, "I didn't know that this girl who is currently underage was underage a number of years ago".... Yikes! I don't exactly remember what state it was, it might have either been in Chicago or New York as far as cities are concerned
In regards to the age, yes she was still under technical legal age by the time the trial came around. However, her age almost didn't matter because she didn't testify. Their argument was you couldn't tell what age the girl was in the video so it could be "any girl" if this girl doesn't testify. Since she doesn't testify you can't necessarily pinpoint her as the girl in the video therefore giving R Kelly defense argument a boost because it fits their argument of the girl in the video was legal age
There was never any denying it was him, it was all about the girl age in the video and if you put the pieces together she was 14 or 15 and they said people could identify that's her in the video BUT since she didn't testify they couldn't pin it on him
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 21, 2019 10:17:40 GMT -5
If aliens ever landed and asked what's the strangest thing about human nature, near the top of the list for me would be celebrity hero worship, where you defend them no matter what BS they're up to. There's a lot of things wrong with human nature and I highly doubt that'd be the top of the list. Hero worship has been around for ages and it's not anything new. I definitely don't worship R. Kelly, he had a few songs that I listened to in my youth, he wasn't anyone whose albums I purchased, no posters on my wall, and never followed his career or his life if you will like I followed and studied Michael Jackson. Just to be clear, I wasn't referring to you specifically. It was more of a general statement based on a conversation I overheard in the store: "..but Beyonce would never do that!"And I was like, how do you know what Beyonce would or wouldn't do? Because she sings a song you like? Hey, I'm a huge U2 fan, but I don't pretend to know what Bono is up to when he's not on stage. And he was ever outed trying to sleep with teenage girls, Zooropa is getting deleted from my hard drive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 18:24:11 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 21, 2019 18:30:06 GMT -5
Jesus Christ and was just talking about this man
To my recollection he's never had a sexual assault allegation on his record but his past will have people doubting him especially with R Kelly and his prowess being fresh in people mind
One of those things got to see how it plays out but if this is true, he's toast and losses all his female support which is what he thrives on
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:05:03 GMT -5
Jesus Christ and was just talking about this man To my recollection he's never had a sexual assault allegation on his record but his past will have people doubting him especially with R Kelly and his prowess being fresh in people mind One of those things got to see how it plays out but if this is true, he's toast and losses all his female support which is what he thrives on
Last year a woman tried to accuse him for rape but he sued her and nothing came from it. I think there was even another allegation a year before but it's not the first time he's been accused. We'll see if this one is accurate given the others weren't but yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. This is gonna do him in. Definitely.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 21, 2019 19:09:28 GMT -5
Jesus Christ and was just talking about this man To my recollection he's never had a sexual assault allegation on his record but his past will have people doubting him especially with R Kelly and his prowess being fresh in people mind One of those things got to see how it plays out but if this is true, he's toast and losses all his female support which is what he thrives on
Last year a woman tried to accuse him for rape but he sued her and nothing came from it. I think there was even another allegation a year before but it's not the first time he's been accused. We'll see if this one is accurate given the others weren't but yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. This is gonna do him in. Definitely. Yeah it's def a fine line because you can't just say the woman are lying or trying to gain something but you also can't just condemn Chris Brown because he is a celebrity. Always tricky to determine what is consensual sex w/benefits and what is these dudes actually being serial rapist
Look at Darren Sharper who was drugging woman and raping them and that wasn't even known until the case got brought up on him
There is also Kobe Bryant who the woman alleged she was raped and come to find out it was consensual and she had other samples of semen in her panties from other men and none that belonged to Kobe
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