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Post by Dub H on Jan 29, 2019 11:27:53 GMT -5
Its an intresting direction and Nia in reality could beat down most of the male roster pretty easily so its cool shes getting this kind of push. Apart from Lesnar and Strowman, most of the women could go toe to toe with the guys. Are you implying Kairi woldnt kick Lesnar`s ass? She is a goddamn pirate and she will get all the gold.EVEN LESNARS!
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 29, 2019 11:38:03 GMT -5
Its an intresting direction and Nia in reality could beat down most of the male roster pretty easily so its cool shes getting this kind of push. Apart from Lesnar and Strowman, most of the women could go toe to toe with the guys. Are you implying Kairi woldnt kick Lesnar`s ass? She is a goddamn pirate and she will get all the gold.EVEN LESNARS! Pirate Princess will shoot a ho just to watch 'em die. Steal their gold, and their girl.
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Post by Woo on Jan 29, 2019 13:47:02 GMT -5
I understand and respect the opinion of people who enjoyed this, but I absolutely despised it. Having had a night to ruminate on it, I think it may be my least favorite spot in the last 10 years. I thought the intention behind it was cool...a strong female character standing up to the men and looking badass doing it. I just hated the execution. Nia beats down R-Truth and gets rewarded by just being inserted into the match without any real explanation. Nia herself eliminates a guy in Ali who is not fully established and, in my opinion, completely destroyed the excellent showing that he had up to the point. Then, all of the already established guys beat the shit out of her, hit their finishers, and unceremoniously eliminate her. And, on top of that, I don’t care much for Nia as a character or as a wrestler, and I had sort of hyped myself up for a huge surprise replacing Truth at 30, so that sort of deflated me. It was a good Rumble all around and the live crowd clearly dug it, so I know my opinion will be the minority but I hated it. People have beating up entrants and taking their spots for decades. Mabel did it in 99, Foley in 2004, Luke Harper did it to Curtis Axel and Lynch did something similar to Lana earlier in the night. It's well established that you can do that. Ali was in the ring a long time, looked good and was eliminated by a fresher wrestler. I can't see what makes him look bad in that scenario. The men didn't beat the shit out of her, they teamed up to eliminate a threat. They did this to Diesel in 94, did it to Mabel a few times and always try it to Big Show. All she got was a superkick, 619 and an RKO and was still getting up after that. She looked like any other big monster wrestler in previous years. Ignore her gender for a minute and it looks just like a regular Rumble moment. You are disappointed because you expected a shock number 30, something that was never advertised.
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Post by Cela on Jan 29, 2019 13:52:28 GMT -5
Its an intresting direction and Nia in reality could beat down most of the male roster pretty easily so its cool shes getting this kind of push. Apart from Lesnar and Strowman, most of the women could go toe to toe with the guys. Not sure if trolling...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2019 13:53:54 GMT -5
I understand and respect the opinion of people who enjoyed this, but I absolutely despised it. Having had a night to ruminate on it, I think it may be my least favorite spot in the last 10 years. I thought the intention behind it was cool...a strong female character standing up to the men and looking badass doing it. I just hated the execution. Nia beats down R-Truth and gets rewarded by just being inserted into the match without any real explanation. Nia herself eliminates a guy in Ali who is not fully established and, in my opinion, completely destroyed the excellent showing that he had up to the point. Then, all of the already established guys beat the shit out of her, hit their finishers, and unceremoniously eliminate her. And, on top of that, I don’t care much for Nia as a character or as a wrestler, and I had sort of hyped myself up for a huge surprise replacing Truth at 30, so that sort of deflated me. It was a good Rumble all around and the live crowd clearly dug it, so I know my opinion will be the minority but I hated it. People have beating up entrants and taking their spots for decades. Mabel did it in 99, Foley in 2004, Luke Harper did it to Curtis Axel and Lynch did something similar to Lana earlier in the night. It's well established that you can do that. Ali was in the ring a long time, looked good and was eliminated by a fresher wrestler. I can't see what makes him look bad in that scenario. The men didn't beat the shit out of her, they teamed up to eliminate a threat. They did this to Diesel in 94, did it to Mabel a few times and always try it to Big Show. All she got was a superkick, 619 and an RKO and was still getting up after that. She looked like any other big monster wrestler in previous years. Ignore her gender for a minute and it looks just like a regular Rumble moment.
You are disappointed because you expected a shock number 30, something that was never advertised. As I said at least 5 times in this thread, she played the role of Big Show
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 10:01:54 GMT -5
I understand and respect the opinion of people who enjoyed this, but I absolutely despised it. Having had a night to ruminate on it, I think it may be my least favorite spot in the last 10 years. I thought the intention behind it was cool...a strong female character standing up to the men and looking badass doing it. I just hated the execution. Nia beats down R-Truth and gets rewarded by just being inserted into the match without any real explanation. Nia herself eliminates a guy in Ali who is not fully established and, in my opinion, completely destroyed the excellent showing that he had up to the point. Then, all of the already established guys beat the shit out of her, hit their finishers, and unceremoniously eliminate her. And, on top of that, I don’t care much for Nia as a character or as a wrestler, and I had sort of hyped myself up for a huge surprise replacing Truth at 30, so that sort of deflated me. It was a good Rumble all around and the live crowd clearly dug it, so I know my opinion will be the minority but I hated it. People have beating up entrants and taking their spots for decades. Mabel did it in 99, Foley in 2004, Luke Harper did it to Curtis Axel and Lynch did something similar to Lana earlier in the night. It's well established that you can do that. Ali was in the ring a long time, looked good and was eliminated by a fresher wrestler. I can't see what makes him look bad in that scenario. The men didn't beat the shit out of her, they teamed up to eliminate a threat. They did this to Diesel in 94, did it to Mabel a few times and always try it to Big Show. All she got was a superkick, 619 and an RKO and was still getting up after that. She looked like any other big monster wrestler in previous years. Ignore her gender for a minute and it looks just like a regular Rumble moment. You are disappointed because you expected a shock number 30, something that was never advertised. I think I pretty clearly prefaced my post with the concession that a lot of it is based on the simple fact that I don’t like Nia. And I outright said I expected a shock number 30. Still, I respectfully disagree that the men didn’t beat the shit out of her, although I do agree that they did so to eliminate a threat. And I know the stolen entry thing happens a lot, I just think it’s dumb. At least with Becky and some of the ones you mentioned there was some attempt at an explanation as to why they got to just insert themselves into the match. The little moment with Ali was an interesting enough moment of storytelling and character development - Ali hesitating to hit Nia and all - but I still think that ultimately being eliminated by her put a negative asterisk on what was an otherwise great showing for him. I’d have preferred that spot to happen with an established “nice guy” like Rey or something. This was always going to be a divisive spot, as evidenced by this whole thread about it, and I fall into the camp of people that disliked it immensely. I can see why others disagree though. Oh, and just as an aside - my opinion has nothing to do with Nia’s gender. She’s a credible threat going toe to toe with men or anyone else. I like the intention behind it...I just don’t care for Nia, don’t like how it was executed, and didn’t like Ali being the sacrificial lamb for the spot.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 30, 2019 15:53:54 GMT -5
People have beating up entrants and taking their spots for decades. Mabel did it in 99, Foley in 2004, Luke Harper did it to Curtis Axel and Lynch did something similar to Lana earlier in the night. It's well established that you can do that. Ali was in the ring a long time, looked good and was eliminated by a fresher wrestler. I can't see what makes him look bad in that scenario. The men didn't beat the shit out of her, they teamed up to eliminate a threat. They did this to Diesel in 94, did it to Mabel a few times and always try it to Big Show. All she got was a superkick, 619 and an RKO and was still getting up after that. She looked like any other big monster wrestler in previous years. Ignore her gender for a minute and it looks just like a regular Rumble moment. You are disappointed because you expected a shock number 30, something that was never advertised. I think I pretty clearly prefaced my post with the concession that a lot of it is based on the simple fact that I don’t like Nia. And I outright said I expected a shock number 30. Still, I respectfully disagree that the men didn’t beat the shit out of her, although I do agree that they did so to eliminate a threat. And I know the stolen entry thing happens a lot, I just think it’s dumb. At least with Becky and some of the ones you mentioned there was some attempt at an explanation as to why they got to just insert themselves into the match. The little moment with Ali was an interesting enough moment of storytelling and character development - Ali hesitating to hit Nia and all - but I still think that ultimately being eliminated by her put a negative asterisk on what was an otherwise great showing for him. I’d have preferred that spot to happen with an established “nice guy” like Rey or something. This was always going to be a divisive spot, as evidenced by this whole thread about it, and I fall into the camp of people that disliked it immensely. I can see why others disagree though. Oh, and just as an aside - my opinion has nothing to do with Nia’s gender. She’s a credible threat going toe to toe with men or anyone else. I like the intention behind it...I just don’t care for Nia, don’t like how it was executed, and didn’t like Ali being the sacrificial lamb for the spot. Honestly mang, props for this entire post, because from the outset I completely read you wrong. This right here, people, is the way to stand on an opinion when other people disagree with you, while not being an asshole about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 15:58:51 GMT -5
Oh, and just as an aside - my opinion has nothing to do with Nia’s gender. She’s a credible threat going toe to toe with men or anyone else. I like the intention behind it...I just don’t care for Nia, don’t like how it was executed, and didn’t like Ali being the sacrificial lamb for the spot. That right there, I can understand and respect. You got the intent, you just don't personally like the person and who was impacted but you understood the vision.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 17:46:02 GMT -5
I would have rather R-Truth entered at #30, but the Nia segment still put a smile on my face.
I think it's because I'm tired of it being ok for women to hit men and throw them around on WWE while the men can't do anything but try to protect themselves from the onslaught or run away. Nia entered the Rumble which made her fair game. She was made to look pretty strong, but without making jokes out of the men.
Having said that, I really wish that the man vs. woman violence would just end. If one of the women beat up one of the men for real, it would be impressive. Since it's scripted, it looks desperate and fake and usually just makes me cringe.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Jan 30, 2019 18:25:23 GMT -5
I would've been for this if WWE didn't make it so taboo that men can't fake hit women in pro wrestling.
It was great in the late 90s-early 2000s with Chyna and made for great moments (aka Stephanie actually getting her comeuppance from Rock, Austin, etc.)
Maybe Nia can be the Chyna of this generation (wrestling career, not IRL)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 20:34:05 GMT -5
I did get a little bit of amusement out of the crowd chanting "RKO" during Nia and Tamina's tag match with Alexa and Mickie. Orton vs. Nia, book it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 22:32:22 GMT -5
My buddy and I have an inside joke that Beth Phoenix is Randy Orton with a magical Shoujo type tiara transformation, cheek bones, eyes and the little arm pose are all very similar.
Make it an angle where he retrieves his magical device and challenges Nia.
Yes, i want absurdity in my wrestling.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jan 31, 2019 20:01:19 GMT -5
Nia in reality could beat down most of the male roster pretty easily so its cool shes getting this kind of push. Apart from Lesnar and Strowman, most of the women could go toe to toe with the guys. This is just completely false. Did she train at the same Muay Thai gym that gave CM Punk his educated feet? She's big. That's it. She's not agile, she doesn't have any combat sport experience, she's just big. She looks imposing and works as a monster heel despite her limited in ring ability. But I honestly don't believe she's beating the majority of the men's roster in a fight.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 31, 2019 20:06:40 GMT -5
Nia couldn't beat down maybe any one of the men in real life, but this is the same show we've watched an undead mortician cowboy biker who shoots lightning for nearly thirty years.. so credibility ain't really a concern.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jan 31, 2019 20:13:23 GMT -5
Nia couldn't beat down maybe any one of the men in real life, but this is the same show we've watched an undead mortician cowboy biker who shoots lightning for nearly thirty years.. so credibility ain't really a concern. It's a fair point. I don't believe Rey Mysterio would survive 3 minutes in a shoot with Kane but he has pinball victories over him. The key is in the booking. I like the idea of Nia trading with the men. She went in looking for smoke and came out looking pretty good. It would gave looked stupid to have her go in and wreck people with every guy holding back for fear of hitting a woman (who dwarfs them) Beth Phoenix got rightfully shat on for "But Hunter, we're girls". This isn't putting Maria vs Umaga back in the mid 2000s. That was just cheap heel heat. This actually made Nia look good in that everyone was willing to go after her and she didn't cower from anyone. My only wish is that when she told Rey to hit the 619 she didn't intercept with the Pounce. Mostly because I just love the Pounce.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 20:37:51 GMT -5
Nia couldn't beat down maybe any one of the men in real life, but this is the same show we've watched an undead mortician cowboy biker who shoots lightning for nearly thirty years.. so credibility ain't really a concern. It's a fair point. I don't believe Rey Mysterio would survive 3 minutes in a shoot with Kane but he has pinball victories over him. The key is in the booking. I like the idea of Nia trading with the men. She went in looking for smoke and came out looking pretty good. It would gave looked stupid to have her go in and wreck people with every guy holding back for fear of hitting a woman (who dwarfs them) Beth Phoenix got rightfully shat on for "But Hunter, we're girls". This isn't putting Maria vs Umaga back in the mid 2000s. That was just cheap heel heat. This actually made Nia look good in that everyone was willing to go after her and she didn't cower from anyone. My only wish is that when she told Rey to hit the 619 she didn't intercept with the Pounce. Mostly because I just love the Pounce. In this thread, an undead wizard and a pinball wizard.
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