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Post by TGM on Jan 31, 2019 18:04:23 GMT -5
Hard chops rule and WALTER rules.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 31, 2019 21:53:01 GMT -5
Bret only dogs on chops because it's a way to downplay Flair.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2019 21:54:53 GMT -5
Bret only dogs on chops because it's a way to downplay Flair. That's simply not true. It also downplays like 85 percent of Shawn's offense once he reached a point in his career.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 31, 2019 22:01:43 GMT -5
Bret only dogs on chops because it's a way to downplay Flair. That's simply not true. It also downplays like 85 percent of Shawn's offense once he reached a point in his career. Heh, good point. Double whammy.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 31, 2019 22:07:57 GMT -5
Hart regularly did piledrivers (which have resulted in countless injuries and ended plenty of careers) and superplexes (also resulted in a litany of career ending injuries, as well as being among the most painful things you can do in the ring). Chops have never ended anyone's career or resulted in an injury worse than some bruising. Him or anyone else criticizing chops while regularly using or applauding legitimately dangerous moves is f***ing ridiculous and defies all logic. Except Bret did them safely, and never injured anyone. Which was his whole point - chops hurt. There's no way for them not to. And the reason for this thread, apparently, was to show how this Walter guy is prepared to hurt people. And sure, chops might not break your neck or tear your knee ligaments, but the whole point of wrestling is to put on a show while not hurting your opponent. Anyone who agrees to get chopped until there are hand-shaped bruises on their chest, just because it's the other wrestler's gimmick, is a mug. This is no different than the sort of 'pay your dues' shit that the likes of Bob Holly and JBL like to trot out as 'traditional'. Wrestling is already physical enough, and takes enough of a toll, without having to deal with opponents deliberately inflicting pain because it 'looks good'.There IS a difference, and it's consent. JBL and Bob Holly would beat up newbies to "put them in their place", and it was pretty much always without consent or warning. With WALTER, on the other hand, his opponents likely know how hard he chops, and agree to take it. There is absolutely nothing out there indicating that WALTER stiffs people without checking with them ahead of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 22:30:57 GMT -5
To me things like this reek of wrestlers being insecure. "Its not fake! Look at my chest bro!"
And possible horrific side effects aside (small chance of hitting heart area just right.. burst vein causing complications), it's more impressive to me to make a fake fight look real with timing and know how... than to say "eff it" and start lighting each other up.
And all I've ever seen regarding WALTER (all caps is some 12 yr olds xbox handle btw) on forums is "he chops so hard!!". Not my thing.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 31, 2019 22:35:04 GMT -5
To me things like this reek of wrestlers being insecure. "Its not fake! Look at my chest bro!" And possible horrific side effects aside (small chance of hitting heart area just right.. burst vein causing complications), it's more impressive to me to make a fake fight look real with timing and know how... than to say "eff it" and start lighting each other up. And all I've ever seen regarding WALTER (all caps is some 12 yr olds xbox handle btw) on forums is "he chops so hard!!". Not my thing.
That made me laugh cause it was such an unexpected nitpick
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 22:37:59 GMT -5
To me things like this reek of wrestlers being insecure. "Its not fake! Look at my chest bro!" And possible horrific side effects aside (small chance of hitting heart area just right.. burst vein causing complications), it's more impressive to me to make a fake fight look real with timing and know how... than to say "eff it" and start lighting each other up. And all I've ever seen regarding WALTER (all caps is some 12 yr olds xbox handle btw) on forums is "he chops so hard!!". Not my thing.
That made me laugh cause it was such an unexpected nitpick
Lmao. What can I say. User handles are a pet peeve of mine. It's how you've chosen to represent yourself. I acknowledge that my amalgamation of CmPunk and Prinnys (dood!) Is equally teenager of me... but who isn't slightly hypocritical time to time
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 31, 2019 22:44:18 GMT -5
That's simply not true. It also downplays like 85 percent of Shawn's offense once he reached a point in his career. Heh, good point. Double whammy. Yep. He was taking digs at Shawn and Ric, both of which used chops as signature spots.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 1, 2019 15:20:17 GMT -5
So I watched the big Austrian motherf***er's squash this week and it was excellent. He can clearly do much more than just chops. I am actually interested to see what he can do. I already loved his gimmick, I would really like to enjoy his work. I still hate his name being all caps though.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 1, 2019 15:24:18 GMT -5
Nigel comparing him to Stan Hansen, Bruiser Brody and Kenta f***ing Kobashi is setting some really, really huge expectations.
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Post by Friday Night SmackSown on Feb 1, 2019 16:16:11 GMT -5
So I watched the big Austrian motherf***er's squash this week and it was excellent. He can clearly do much more than just chops. I am actually interested to see what he can do. I already loved his gimmick, I would really like to enjoy his work. I still hate his name being all caps though. It was either all-caps or “Big Van Walter”.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 1, 2019 20:55:01 GMT -5
I don't mind the all caps thing
I mean I think it's the first time I have heard a none Japanese name like it but still.
KENTA, TAKA, etc.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 1, 2019 21:43:30 GMT -5
I don't mind the all caps thing I mean I think it's the first time I have heard a none Japanese name like it but still. KENTA, TAKA, etc. I don't get it with their names either.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 1, 2019 22:04:09 GMT -5
I don't mind the all caps thing I mean I think it's the first time I have heard a none Japanese name like it but still. KENTA, TAKA, etc. I don't get it with their names either. In Japan, seems like it's often a heel move. In KENTA's case, he was Kenta Kobayashi first. I imagine the name change in that case was also to try to not get him confused with Kenta Kobashi.
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Post by Friday Night SmackSown on Feb 1, 2019 22:07:37 GMT -5
I don't get it with their names either. In Japan, seems like it's often a heel move. In KENTA's case, he was Kenta Kobayashi first. I imagine the name change in that case was also to try to not get him confused with Kenta Kobashi. Didn’t Kobashi also have “KENTA” as a ring name for a while?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 22:39:12 GMT -5
He looks like if Koslov and Lesnar had a baby....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 22:49:51 GMT -5
Nia Jax is so awesome. She punched Becky for real in a fake fight and Becky’s face was legit messed up. It was incredible.
Wait, I’m not doing this right.
Let this dude try to stiff Brock like that and see what happens. Hitting someone for real in a fake wrestling match is the carniest of carny, I don’t care if the other guy is fine with it. Shit is fake. The art form is making it look real, not actually hitting someone.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 1, 2019 23:09:06 GMT -5
PWG, the ultimate indie boutique showcase, thought dude was good enough to be their champion. His in ring abilities beyond chops should not be in question.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 1, 2019 23:11:46 GMT -5
Nia Jax is so awesome. She punched Becky for real in a fake fight and Becky’s face was legit messed up. It was incredible. Wait, I’m not doing this right. Let this dude try to stiff Brock like that and see what happens. Hitting someone for real in a fake wrestling match is the carniest of carny, I don’t care if the other guy is fine with it. Shit is fake. The art form is making it look real, not actually hitting someone. HUGE difference in one guy laying in a stiff chop to the chest with his opponent's permission, and Nia blasting Becky full force in the face when she clearly wasn't ready for it and didn't intend for it to happen. Like...an entire world of difference, to the point of no real comparison to be made.
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