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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Feb 1, 2019 23:15:29 GMT -5
Nia Jax is so awesome. She punched Becky for real in a fake fight and Becky’s face was legit messed up. It was incredible. Wait, I’m not doing this right. Let this dude try to stiff Brock like that and see what happens. Hitting someone for real in a fake wrestling match is the carniest of carny, I don’t care if the other guy is fine with it. Shit is fake. The art form is making it look real, not actually hitting someone. Yeah, cuz Brock has NEVER worked stiff in his career, right? /sarcasm One of the most widely regarded Roman/Brock matches involved the two of them just beating the piss out of each other. He elbowed Orton until he bled hardway. He legit punched Braun in the temple twice after Braun accidentally stiffed him with a knee. He busted open John Cena's mouth on literally his first night back. Brock is easily the worst example you could have provided, because A) he has proved multiple times that he is willing to work stiff with his opponents, and B) if there is ANYONE in the company who deserves to have WALTER chop them until their chest bleeds, it's Brock F***ing Lesnar.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 1, 2019 23:36:13 GMT -5
Nia Jax is so awesome. She punched Becky for real in a fake fight and Becky’s face was legit messed up. It was incredible. Wait, I’m not doing this right. Let this dude try to stiff Brock like that and see what happens. Hitting someone for real in a fake wrestling match is the carniest of carny, I don’t care if the other guy is fine with it. Shit is fake. The art form is making it look real, not actually hitting someone.Where are y'all getting these takes from
I am genuinely f***ing baffled
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 1:59:35 GMT -5
Nia Jax is so awesome. She punched Becky for real in a fake fight and Becky’s face was legit messed up. It was incredible. Wait, I’m not doing this right. Let this dude try to stiff Brock like that and see what happens. Hitting someone for real in a fake wrestling match is the carniest of carny, I don’t care if the other guy is fine with it. Shit is fake. The art form is making it look real, not actually hitting someone. HUGE difference in one guy laying in a stiff chop to the chest with his opponent's permission, and Nia blasting Becky full force in the face when she clearly wasn't ready for it and didn't intend for it to happen. Like...an entire world of difference, to the point of no real comparison to be made. That wasn’t my point. Let me say it another way. What if Nia hitting Becky was done intentionally with Becky’s blessing? Would you guys be defending it? It ended up being a cool visual, much cooler than anything a bruised chest from a stiff chop could accomplish. The answer to that question is (or should be) no. Becky would be an idiot if she agreed to it, and Nia would be an idiot for doing it. In reality it was an accident done by incompetence, so it’s almost defensible compared to this stuff. My point is, the end result of ANYTHING real being done in a fake sport is pointless, especially today when the workers themselves practically tell the audience how fake everything is while they are performing. Why is a hard stiff chop even something worth doing in the first place? Who benefits from it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 2:05:15 GMT -5
Nia Jax is so awesome. She punched Becky for real in a fake fight and Becky’s face was legit messed up. It was incredible. Wait, I’m not doing this right. Let this dude try to stiff Brock like that and see what happens. Hitting someone for real in a fake wrestling match is the carniest of carny, I don’t care if the other guy is fine with it. Shit is fake. The art form is making it look real, not actually hitting someone.Where are y'all getting these takes from I am genuinely f***ing baffled
I am equally baffled by people defending this. It’s crazy to think that in 2019 when wrestling is more exposed that ever before that stiffing even exists, and people actually defend it. Congrats, you hit someone for real in a fake fight that everyone knows is fake. “But the other guy agreed to it”. Well, he’s a moron too, then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 2:11:54 GMT -5
Hart regularly did piledrivers (which have resulted in countless injuries and ended plenty of careers) and superplexes (also resulted in a litany of career ending injuries, as well as being among the most painful things you can do in the ring). Chops have never ended anyone's career or resulted in an injury worse than some bruising. Him or anyone else criticizing chops while regularly using or applauding legitimately dangerous moves is f***ing ridiculous and defies all logic. Except Bret did them safely, and never injured anyone. Bad News Allen claimed Bret gave him two concussions. About 2:35 in.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 2, 2019 9:13:42 GMT -5
Where are y'all getting these takes from I am genuinely f***ing baffled
I am equally baffled by people defending this. It’s crazy to think that in 2019 when wrestling is more exposed that ever before that stiffing even exists, and people actually defend it. Congrats, you hit someone for real in a fake fight that everyone knows is fake. “But the other guy agreed to it”. Well, he’s a moron too, then. Ok, then dead serious here: do you believe that knife edge chops should be completely eliminated from pro wrestling, as well as top rope moves and anything that involves straight-on back bumps? I mean, after all, it's fake, and you're supposed to make people only think it's real, but all of that shit hurts. Hell, let's get rid of regular body slams while we're at it, they're painful. I suppose we could go back to just simulating an actual amateur wrestling match the way the industry did back in the early 1900s, but business started falling off with that after awhile.
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Post by No One on Feb 2, 2019 9:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by Facetious on Feb 2, 2019 9:58:48 GMT -5
Nia Jax is so awesome. She punched Becky for real in a fake fight and Becky’s face was legit messed up. It was incredible. Wait, I’m not doing this right. Let this dude try to stiff Brock like that and see what happens. Hitting someone for real in a fake wrestling match is the carniest of carny, I don’t care if the other guy is fine with it. Shit is fake. The art form is making it look real, not actually hitting someone.Where are y'all getting these takes from I am genuinely f***ing baffled
The hot takes on this forum lately have been FIRE lmao. I don't think I seen ANYONE crying when Papa H and Taker battered each other with chairs in that Hell In a Cell match to the point where they had huge bruises. But b i g s c a r y A u s t r i a n b o i is something else.
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Post by TGM on Feb 2, 2019 10:23:52 GMT -5
I think we should take off and nuke WWE from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 2, 2019 10:43:53 GMT -5
I am equally baffled by people defending this. It’s crazy to think that in 2019 when wrestling is more exposed that ever before that stiffing even exists, and people actually defend it. Congrats, you hit someone for real in a fake fight that everyone knows is fake. “But the other guy agreed to it”. Well, he’s a moron too, then. Ok, then dead serious here: do you believe that knife edge chops should be completely eliminated from pro wrestling, as well as top rope moves and anything that involves straight-on back bumps? I mean, after all, it's fake, and you're supposed to make people only think it's, but all of that shit hurts. Hell, let's get rid of regular body slams while we're at it, they're painful. I suppose we could go back to just simulating an actual amateur wrestling match the way the industry did back in the early 1900s, but business started falling off with that after awhile. Like, again, as someone training in the industry right now, I’m too nervous to take a Canadian Destroyer more for me not doing my end right rather than anything my opponent did. Heck, the moment I start to try piledrivers normally scares me even though I trust everyone in my class to give me one. A chop, though? It’s a chop. It hurts like hell but if the line you draw is at that? Then like HMark says, I just wonder what everyone thinks of everything else if done on a wrestling mat.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 2, 2019 11:01:19 GMT -5
Just make WWE a Capoeira league and have everybody dance around each other in very intricate, mysterious ways ala Eddy off Tekken
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Post by TGM on Feb 2, 2019 11:11:43 GMT -5
Ok, then dead serious here: do you believe that knife edge chops should be completely eliminated from pro wrestling, as well as top rope moves and anything that involves straight-on back bumps? I mean, after all, it's fake, and you're supposed to make people only think it's, but all of that shit hurts. Hell, let's get rid of regular body slams while we're at it, they're painful. I suppose we could go back to just simulating an actual amateur wrestling match the way the industry did back in the early 1900s, but business started falling off with that after awhile. Like, again, as someone training in the industry right now, I’m too nervous to take a Canadian Destroyer more for me not doing my end right rather than anything my opponent did. Heck, the moment I start to try piledrivers normally scares me even though I trust everyone in my class to give me one. A chop, though? It’s a chop. It hurts like hell but if the line you draw is at that? Then like HMark says, I just wonder what everyone thinks of everything else if done on a wrestling mat. Off topic but have you had any matches? What's training like? You should start a thread.
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Post by Friday Night SmackSown on Feb 2, 2019 11:15:16 GMT -5
I think the blowback on WALTER’s chops might be due to some not being overly familiar with him and his NXT UK tenure being their first exposure to his style.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 2, 2019 11:15:22 GMT -5
Like, again, as someone training in the industry right now, I’m too nervous to take a Canadian Destroyer more for me not doing my end right rather than anything my opponent did. Heck, the moment I start to try piledrivers normally scares me even though I trust everyone in my class to give me one. A chop, though? It’s a chop. It hurts like hell but if the line you draw is at that? Then like HMark says, I just wonder what everyone thinks of everything else if done on a wrestling mat. Off topic but have you had any matches? What's training like? You should start a thread. I’ve managed a tag team on two shows which I’d love to continue for a bit since I’m not the greatest wrestler right now 😋. It’s something I’ve considered but it’d probably have to be from my own perspective rather than detailing anything else since, well, I don’t want to get people in trouble or expose anything (not that I would, just don’t want to risk it).
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Post by TGM on Feb 2, 2019 11:18:05 GMT -5
Off topic but have you had any matches? What's training like? You should start a thread. I’ve managed a tag team on two shows which I’d love to continue for a bit since I’m not the greatest wrestler right now 😋. It’s something I’ve considered but it’d probably have to be from my own perspective rather than detailing anything else since, well, I don’t want to get people in trouble or expose anything (not that I would, just don’t want to risk it). Yeah I understand. I was thinking along the lines of a Q and A.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 2, 2019 11:36:35 GMT -5
I’ve managed a tag team on two shows which I’d love to continue for a bit since I’m not the greatest wrestler right now 😋. It’s something I’ve considered but it’d probably have to be from my own perspective rather than detailing anything else since, well, I don’t want to get people in trouble or expose anything (not that I would, just don’t want to risk it). Yeah I understand. I was thinking along the lines of a Q and A. If I get a match in the next few months, I’ll be 99% sure I’ll do something like that. Sounds super neat. As someone whose almost a year in the business, it’d be weird for me to do something like that.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 2, 2019 11:54:47 GMT -5
I guess I don’t have too strong of a feeling one way or another, but I’ve always thought stiff chops were just kinda dumb. They don’t really look that cool or painful and yet they are hurting the recipient. If you’re gonna do something stiff, do something that looks cool and impactful and may actually effect the outcome of the match. I don’t know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 11:58:20 GMT -5
Where are y'all getting these takes from I am genuinely f***ing baffled
I am equally baffled by people defending this. It’s crazy to think that in 2019 when wrestling is more exposed that ever before that stiffing even exists, and people actually defend it. Congrats, you hit someone for real in a fake fight that everyone knows is fake. “But the other guy agreed to it”. Well, he’s a moron too, then. You're free to think that. If there was a list on the ways wrestlers hurt themselves on the job I would consider this pretty low on the list. People have been chopping people hard for decades, we don't have a wrestler today warning others of the dangers of chops or anything. I understand Bret's thing about not hurting the other opponent, but then there are wrestlers like Lance Storm who is one of the biggest proponents out there on safe wrestling, and from what I understand he has a whole day of his training dedicated to performing chops. There's a lot of "wrestling was supposed to be _____" arguments when wrestling in the first place was never meant to be an art form-it was a carny act to con people out of money-so I don't know why anyone is pretending that WALTER's committing some sort of sacrilege. I certainly understand someone thinking it's stupid, but I dunno, some are making this out to be far more sinister than it is.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 2, 2019 12:05:34 GMT -5
I am equally baffled by people defending this. It’s crazy to think that in 2019 when wrestling is more exposed that ever before that stiffing even exists, and people actually defend it. Congrats, you hit someone for real in a fake fight that everyone knows is fake. “But the other guy agreed to it”. Well, he’s a moron too, then. Ok, then dead serious here: do you believe that knife edge chops should be completely eliminated from pro wrestling, as well as top rope moves and anything that involves straight-on back bumps? I mean, after all, it's fake, and you're supposed to make people only think it's, but all of that shit hurts. Hell, let's get rid of regular body slams while we're at it, they're painful. I suppose we could go back to just simulating an actual amateur wrestling match the way the industry did back in the early 1900s, but business started falling off with that after awhile. Irish whiping off the ropes hurts and can leave marks. Gotta do away with that too.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 2, 2019 12:08:57 GMT -5
Ok, then dead serious here: do you believe that knife edge chops should be completely eliminated from pro wrestling, as well as top rope moves and anything that involves straight-on back bumps? I mean, after all, it's fake, and you're supposed to make people only think it's, but all of that shit hurts. Hell, let's get rid of regular body slams while we're at it, they're painful. I suppose we could go back to just simulating an actual amateur wrestling match the way the industry did back in the early 1900s, but business started falling off with that after awhile. Irish whiping off the ropes hurts and can leave marks. Gotta do away with that too. They f***ing do.
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