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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 7, 2019 23:47:53 GMT -5
John Morrison for upsetting Trish. Yes, he shouldn't have chosen Wrestlemania as the time to protest and show support to his girlfriend, but if was a very little thing.
I know others mention Mr. Kennedy and his constant putting his foot in his mouth, and injuries, but when he got fired Trips,Shawn,Cena, and Orton all said they didn't want to work with him anymore.
Hurricane got depushed while he was with Kane because HBK didn't like the character
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 8, 2019 0:50:36 GMT -5
Not so much that but DDP was on the decline when he joined the wwe, he couldn’t put the performances he used to have in wcw. Also Page pissed off Vince and the agents for trying to script his matches. So politics?
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 8, 2019 0:55:01 GMT -5
Probably less times then the amount of people who claim their career was sabatoged by politics.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 8, 2019 0:58:47 GMT -5
John Morrison for upsetting Trish. Yes, he shouldn't have chosen Wrestlemania as the time to protest and show support to his girlfriend, but if was a very little thing. I know others mention Mr. Kennedy and his constant putting his foot in his mouth, and injuries, but when he got fired Trips,Shawn,Cena, and Orton all said they didn't want to work with him anymore. Hurricane got depushed while he was with Kane because HBK didn't like the character Morrison’s burial unfortunately came a lot sooner, Meltzer reported that Vince stopped believing in him after the whole Melina fiasco. I think they rejected working with Kennedy because he dropped Orton on his head.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 8, 2019 0:59:19 GMT -5
Not so much that but DDP was on the decline when he joined the wwe, he couldn’t put the performances he used to have in wcw. Also Page pissed off Vince and the agents for trying to script his matches. So politics? Yeah you’re right, if the owner hates you from day one it’s politics.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 8, 2019 1:20:13 GMT -5
It also got super petty when they ran a whole Raw about how he was a bitch, with his friend JR yelling the took his ball and went home line over and over. I'm very sure a big reason he left for so long was because of how pissed he was about that. Looking back on that Raw none of that stuff comes off as anything other than Vince being petty and it looks pathetic. To be honest, I would be the most interested in what conversations arose between The Rock and Austin after that. They got Rock back early, had Rock bury Austin, and then the motherf***ers had a feud for Mania the next year. Like, I know they were never actually friends with each other, being in direct competition and all, but... was there an apology? Did it need to be apologised for? Did Austin understand it was just business? I would be fascinated. From my understanding of their relationship and the times Austin has talked about the whole thing with Brock and leaving, he puts all the blame on himself and didn't blame The Rock for saying what he said because in his words he made a real "chump move"
In regards to their relationship i'm sure Austin didn't take it personal as I said and they are cool all things considered. Austin names Rock as one of his favorites if not his favorite people to work with so it was business as usual. Hell, despite his body being completely f***ed he wanted to get the match done and do the job for Rock at 19. I think everyone knows now, that you can see Rock speaking to Austin after the match and Rock pushing away Earl Hebner so he can speak to Steve and said "I Love You"
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 8, 2019 2:43:55 GMT -5
To be honest, I would be the most interested in what conversations arose between The Rock and Austin after that. They got Rock back early, had Rock bury Austin, and then the motherf***ers had a feud for Mania the next year. Like, I know they were never actually friends with each other, being in direct competition and all, but... was there an apology? Did it need to be apologised for? Did Austin understand it was just business? I would be fascinated. From my understanding of their relationship and the times Austin has talked about the whole thing with Brock and leaving, he puts all the blame on himself and didn't blame The Rock for saying what he said because in his words he made a real "chump move"
In regards to their relationship i'm sure Austin didn't take it personal as I said and they are cool all things considered. Austin names Rock as one of his favorites if not his favorite people to work with so it was business as usual. Hell, despite his body being completely f***ed he wanted to get the match done and do the job for Rock at 19. I think everyone knows now, that you can see Rock speaking to Austin after the match and Rock pushing away Earl Hebner so he can speak to Steve and said "I Love You"
Rock admits in his 2011 documentary that they got along well and that the only heat was professional jealously, that he wanted to upstage Austin as the main guy. It started when he took offense at Austin when he put a number one next to his signature everytime he gave an autograph.
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Post by TGM on Feb 8, 2019 3:39:33 GMT -5
I think Austin asking Owen not to do the piledriver spot is bullshit. Look at a clip, it's move for move exactly the same as the Chono incident. Owen had NEVER done a Piledriver like that before, always doing a traditional tombstone. Austin mentions in his bio how pissed off he was etc but makes no mention of doing the exact same thing to Chono.
Owen was generally a safe worker so I find it implausible he'd attempt a ridiculous move without the OK from Austin or Vince. What did Owen say about it at the time? I've never heard his side of the story.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 8, 2019 9:03:34 GMT -5
I think Austin asking Owen not to do the piledriver spot is bullshit. Look at a clip, it's move for move exactly the same as the Chono incident. Owen had NEVER done a Piledriver like that before, always doing a traditional tombstone. Austin mentions in his bio how pissed off he was etc but makes no mention of doing the exact same thing to Chono. Owen was generally a safe worker so I find it implausible he'd attempt a ridiculous move without the OK from Austin or Vince. What did Owen say about it at the time? I've never heard his side of the story. Not sure he ever talked about it. From all accounts he was embarrassed over injuring Austin. That said Owen doing the sit out tombstone was not unheard of. He normally went for a standard tombstone but he did hit the other variant pretty consistently
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Feb 8, 2019 9:42:21 GMT -5
Didn't the undertaker kill Kronik's chances in the Wwe?
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Post by TGM on Feb 8, 2019 9:52:11 GMT -5
I think Austin asking Owen not to do the piledriver spot is bullshit. Look at a clip, it's move for move exactly the same as the Chono incident. Owen had NEVER done a Piledriver like that before, always doing a traditional tombstone. Austin mentions in his bio how pissed off he was etc but makes no mention of doing the exact same thing to Chono. Owen was generally a safe worker so I find it implausible he'd attempt a ridiculous move without the OK from Austin or Vince. What did Owen say about it at the time? I've never heard his side of the story. Not sure he ever talked about it. From all accounts he was embarrassed over injuring Austin. That said Owen doing the sit out tombstone was not unheard of. He normally went for a standard tombstone but he did hit the other variant pretty consistently Really? I don't recall him ever using it before Summerslam 1997.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 8, 2019 10:08:50 GMT -5
From my understanding of their relationship and the times Austin has talked about the whole thing with Brock and leaving, he puts all the blame on himself and didn't blame The Rock for saying what he said because in his words he made a real "chump move"
In regards to their relationship i'm sure Austin didn't take it personal as I said and they are cool all things considered. Austin names Rock as one of his favorites if not his favorite people to work with so it was business as usual. Hell, despite his body being completely f***ed he wanted to get the match done and do the job for Rock at 19. I think everyone knows now, that you can see Rock speaking to Austin after the match and Rock pushing away Earl Hebner so he can speak to Steve and said "I Love You"
Rock admits in his 2011 documentary that they got along well and that the only heat was professional jealously, that he wanted to upstage Austin as the main guy. It started when he took offense at Austin when he put a number one next to his signature everytime he gave an autograph. Yea, they had a professional i'm better this MF'er type of rivalry. I believe Austin talked about way before Rock blew up the way he did he was just an annoying "kid" when they were first started interacting with Rock was in NOD. For as much as Austin was protective of his spot I never really heard him admit or hear stories about him never wanting to not make Rock look good or take an L to him which speaks to the respect they had and as said before he has admitted Rock is one his favorite people to work with
In contrast to someone like HHH/Rock where you hear the stories about HBK/HHH trying to hold down Rock and Bret had his back. HHH/Rock was also a professional rivalry but most likely a little more animosity there probably more from HHH than anything. They obviously cool now too as HHH joked even now he'd see something like Rock working out at 4 am talking no excuses and he be like nah f*** that I can workout at that time too
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 8, 2019 10:12:41 GMT -5
I don't understand why people completely buy Austin's excuse about Brock. Like, it's not that he isn't right. But one of the biggest stars in wrestling history, having been relentlessly protected for five years, asked to job, and walks out of the company for eight months? That sounds like a bit more than just 'I thought it would draw a bigger number later' to me. Austin has said there was more to it and that he was having problems both physically and personally. Well given what had come out soon after, to say the least!
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Post by Main Eventer on Feb 8, 2019 10:18:04 GMT -5
Didn't the undertaker kill Kronik's chances in the Wwe? I think it was the opposite. Taker basically gave them jobs in WWE. They were fired after one of them refused to go to developmental after their match at Unforgiven.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 8, 2019 10:26:06 GMT -5
Yeah you’re right, if the owner hates you the company you were a major star infrom day one it’s politics. Fixed.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 8, 2019 10:35:24 GMT -5
Didn't the undertaker kill Kronik's chances in the Wwe? I think it was the opposite. Taker basically gave them jobs in WWE. They were fired after one of them refused to go to developmental after their match at Unforgiven. Now if only other people were so lucky, Mike Awesome for instance. I think we can make a separate thread for all the times backstage politics happened during the InVasion angle. I'll start! Sean O'Haire never got pushed cause he didn't say hi to Droz. Yep this really happened apparently.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 8, 2019 12:11:19 GMT -5
Yeah you’re right, if the owner hates you the company you were a major star infrom day one it’s politics. Fixed. Lol he hated DDP more. Remember when heel Austin used to hug Vince a lot? That was because Page hugged Vince the first time he met him and it pissed Vince off like what the f*** is this guy doing? I just met him.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 8, 2019 12:15:23 GMT -5
Rock admits in his 2011 documentary that they got along well and that the only heat was professional jealously, that he wanted to upstage Austin as the main guy. It started when he took offense at Austin when he put a number one next to his signature everytime he gave an autograph. Yea, they had a professional i'm better this MF'er type of rivalry. I believe Austin talked about way before Rock blew up the way he did he was just an annoying "kid" when they were first started interacting with Rock was in NOD. For as much as Austin was protective of his spot I never really heard him admit or hear stories about him never wanting to not make Rock look good or take an L to him which speaks to the respect they had and as said before he has admitted Rock is one his favorite people to work with
In contrast to someone like HHH/Rock where you hear the stories about HBK/HHH trying to hold down Rock and Bret had his back. HHH/Rock was also a professional rivalry but most likely a little more animosity there probably more from HHH than anything. They obviously cool now too as HHH joked even now he'd see something like Rock working out at 4 am talking no excuses and he be like nah f*** that I can workout at that time too
They’re cool now because Trips realized that he would never be as over so he stopped sabotaging Rock, but early on? He did a lot of shit to screw him over, like going into business for himself and cutting promos that weren’t even scripted just so he could take shots at Rock. Now with HBK? Rock legit hated him because Shawn tried to get him fired. Years later in 2003, they asked Rock if he wanted to work with Michaels, he vetoed that shit. Shawn being an asshole cost him a huge money program with Rock.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Feb 8, 2019 12:17:19 GMT -5
Lol he hated DDP more. Remember when heel Austin used to hug Vince a lot? That was because Page hugged Vince the first time he met him and it pissed Vince off like what the f*** is this guy doing? I just met him. To be fair, as I said people were coming up with small and petty reasons to screw over the new guys...
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 8, 2019 12:18:59 GMT -5
I think it was the opposite. Taker basically gave them jobs in WWE. They were fired after one of them refused to go to developmental after their match at Unforgiven. Now if only other people were so lucky, Mike Awesome for instance. I think we can make a separate thread for all the times backstage politics happened during the InVasion angle. I'll start! Sean O'Haire never got pushed cause he didn't say hi to Droz. Yep this really happened apparently. If he never got pushed then why paired him with Piper and have him work with Hogan? O’Haire didn’t got push early on because the training he received at the power plant was piss poor, he and the other power plant guys were sent to ovw so they could know how to work. Jimmy Yang was also trained in the power plant and he admitted that Buddy Parker only have them do cardio but they never learned shit about psychology. Flair himself said that Parker was a joke and that he should’ve never even been in charge of training anybody.
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