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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 5, 2019 18:27:37 GMT -5
Oh man, so WWE is worried their TV partners and anyone attempting brand deals with them down the line might not see value in them getting terrible ratings? f***, I wonder if anyone's been harping on that for years now and keeps insisting the bottom is going to fall out and these ratings declines represent measurable problems that aren't just cord cutting. Would be crazy if someone's been going on about that forever and keeps getting told it's not an issue and won't happen.
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Post by Doctor No on Feb 5, 2019 18:40:02 GMT -5
THE ROAD TO WRESTLEMANIA!!! I wonder if this is gonna hit them harder as they were sure confident something in January was gonna fix things. This small wave will build to a tsunami(ratings wise). They just need to keep paving the road to Mania with no Universal champion or challenger, Dana Brooke, Road Dogg, JJ, Angle in multiple segments, Alicia Fox, Corbin main events and exciting new rules like the one that ended the show last night.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 5, 2019 18:43:02 GMT -5
It's scarier than that. This same week in 2016 did about 3.7 million viewers. That's a loss of about 1.2 million viewers in 3 years. There are various problems, some of which are easier to correct than others. I have a few thoughts on this:
--Get the title off Lesnar. This is issue #1 in terms of a ratings downturn. There is a vast amount of Raw that is a wasteland with guys going nowhere because there is no actual champion on the show for long periods of time.
--Quit with the pushes for people who clearly have mega X-Pac Heat like Corbin and Jax. Especially Corbin, who they actually said was the primary cause of terrible ratings, yet they continue to push him in a featured position and give him wins. Good grief, he main evented last night too. It's a bit sad to see guys like Angle and Jarrett out there at this point as well. I do wonder if Elias is a total ratings killer. I know my mom told me she changes channels every time he is in the ring blathering.
--Stop with all the women. It is apparent that the whole Women's Revolution has been a factor in tanking ratings over the past couple of years. We can debate the quality of segments or who is over or not over, but the fact is that the idea in general is a serious turn off to the coveted 18-49 male demo. There just isn't an audience for it. Obviously this isn't going to happen but I do wonder if Rousey becomes a part timer after WM if they kinda scale back on this a bit. There was a thread after the Rumble where one poster remarked on a friend watching the Rumble and being frustrated with all of the women's matches on the show, that he had zero desire to watch a 5 hour PPV that had nearly half of the card comprised of women.
--Can we have announcers and interviewers that have some clue what they are doing? I watched a few old 1992 Superstars episodes and there's some really hokey stuff there but consider this. We had Howard Finkel as the ring announcer, best ever at it. We got control room segments with Mean Gene, the best ever at what he did. Even Sean Mooney's control room stuff had more gravity than the current nimrods on Raw. It would really enhance my viewing experience if the announcers weren't constantly doing WWE Speak: WWE Universe, sports entertainment, championship opportunities (instead of just saying title shot), not calling a belt a belt, etc. It's just draining on a viewer to hear all of this stupidity. It doesn't sound like the way a typical human would talk, and if AEW could learn one thing it would be to not do any of this trash. Of course we had Vince's hideous play by play on those old Superstars episodes, and guess who is in the ears of the announcers now?
I fear for Smackdown when it moves to Fox. It's usually a better show than Raw, but by its very definition it does a subset of Raw's viewership. So if Raw continues tanking I do wonder what kind of numbers SD is going to do on Fox.
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Post by britishbulldog on Feb 5, 2019 19:01:59 GMT -5
I've watched constantly since 1986, until this year. I'm bored with it. Nothing matters, nothing progresses, it's just there. I read about segments I want to see but then forget when I get home. WWE and really almost everything is to sanitary anymore, to afraid to offend, in today's culture. Heels have zero real heat, and faces are bland.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 5, 2019 19:06:43 GMT -5
Lol. WOR said that WWE's searching for answers as to why ratings are low and now the company's going to start taking a lot of risks now to appease tv partners and future revenue streams. I mean...you’d think they’d have thought about some of this stuff...several years ago as ratings were going down? Not before they signed the billion dollar TV deal with Fox and are expected to get 3m every Friday with a show that hasn’t done that for at least 3 years.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 5, 2019 19:24:50 GMT -5
I've watched constantly since 1986, until this year. I'm bored with it. Nothing matters, nothing progresses, it's just there. I read about segments I want to see but then forget when I get home. WWE and really almost everything is to sanitary anymore, to afraid to offend, in today's culture. Heels have zero real heat, and faces are bland. WWE's bad writing has nothing to do with "today's culture" or being "afraid to offend", and every spark of really good heeling we've seen proves it. Ciampa has been gold all year, Orton spent a match jamming a screwdriver into a dude's ear, Elias has working a crowd that loves you and turning them molten down to a science. WWE's failings right now are a reflection of WWE, and using its corpse as your soapbox for broader societal issues just doesn't click with what their problems actually are. Vince McMahon is an insane crazy person but he's also a 70-something Republican. Look at the "Bobby Lashley's sisters" segment from last year and tell me social justice is the true ill of WWE right now.
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Post by MAGGLE on Feb 5, 2019 19:28:28 GMT -5
Lol. WOR said that WWE's searching for answers as to why ratings are low and now the company's going to start taking a lot of risks now to appease tv partners and future revenue streams. I think everyone in the company knows WHO (not what) is the problem. But hey screw Shareholder Interest, its not like we are publicly traded.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 5, 2019 19:44:49 GMT -5
Lol. WOR said that WWE's searching for answers as to why ratings are low and now the company's going to start taking a lot of risks now to appease tv partners and future revenue streams. I mean...you’d think they’d have thought about some of this stuff...several years ago as ratings were going down? Not before they signed the billion dollar TV deal with Fox and are expected to get 3m every Friday with a show that hasn’t done that for at least 3 years. WWE bought way too hard into the "the fans are wrong and only being contrarian to us, we know what they really want" shit. Drank that "they're only booing Roman because they're jealous" kool-aid and thought if they stayed the course he would totally lead them into a boom period off of nothing. People have doubted just how strongly their mentality really is that disdainful, but the attitude drove fans away and they didn't care enough about it until it was too late and now they're looking at an almost insurmountable task of trying to right the ship way too quickly, and it's going to be a huge risk.
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Post by chrom on Feb 5, 2019 19:45:23 GMT -5
Lol. WOR said that WWE's searching for answers as to why ratings are low and now the company's going to start taking a lot of risks now to appease tv partners and future revenue streams. How about Vince does like Mr. Krabs and bury himself alive?
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Post by Fade on Feb 5, 2019 19:45:35 GMT -5
Close up animals with a wide-angle lense while wearing hats. Cmon guys. It’s not hard.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 5, 2019 19:46:43 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Feb 5, 2019 19:50:04 GMT -5
Lol. WOR said that WWE's searching for answers as to why ratings are low and now the company's going to start taking a lot of risks now to appease tv partners and future revenue streams. I believe WWE said that. But I believe they are going to take risks as much I believed their change nonsense. Vince idea of risk is probably giving Brock a 50% raise, Charlotte +10 Title Reigns,bringing more old timers and having Triple H main event a pay per view. Basically do more of what you were doing before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 20:02:04 GMT -5
It’s crazy as hell to me that they still aren’t putting emphasis on making new stars. Nobody’s watching because there’s nobody people want to see.
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Post by facethatrunstheplace on Feb 5, 2019 20:02:26 GMT -5
Redundant matches, recycled storq If you lose the match it doesn’t matter, you’ll wrestle another dozen times in the coming months The revival's endless tag team title opportunities spring to mind. Those matches are pointless if the plan isn't to eventually put the titles on them.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 5, 2019 20:19:22 GMT -5
The writing has a lot to do with the general malaise of Raw, but I also think much of it has to do with the last Superstar Shakeup.
Smackdown just has so many more interesting top-tier wrestlers than Raw does. Smackdown has Styles, Bryan, Joe, Nakamura, Orton, Hardy, Miz, Mysterio, Almas, and even fun midcarders like Ali and Rusev. Raw’s main event picture is pretty barren, especially after losing Reigns, Owens, Zayn and now Ambrose leaving and not replacing them with anyone.
Tag-team wise, Raw has mostly jobber-level tag teams while Smackdown has the New Day, Usos, the Bar, the Club, Sanity (and now Shane/Miz).
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Post by Dub H on Feb 5, 2019 20:28:56 GMT -5
Lol. WOR said that WWE's searching for answers as to why ratings are low and now the company's going to start taking a lot of risks now to appease tv partners and future revenue streams. I mean...you’d think they’d have thought about some of this stuff...several years ago as ratings were going down? Not before they signed the billion dollar TV deal with Fox and are expected to get 3m every Friday with a show that hasn’t done that for at least 3 years. A show that they got CLOSE to 3.M and made sure to remove everything people enjoyed about. WWE shoots thenselves and asks why does this happen.
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 5, 2019 20:47:37 GMT -5
So the chicks and Rollins (who didn't; draw on top already when they tried experimenting ) aren't drawing? Who da thunk it?
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 5, 2019 21:41:02 GMT -5
So the chicks and Rollins (who didn't; draw on top already when they tried experimenting ) aren't drawing? Who da thunk it? Liv Morgan's match got higher ratings then any dude last night. The majority of segments had male talent so I am not sure why anyone would blame it on wimmin
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Post by britishbulldog on Feb 5, 2019 21:50:19 GMT -5
I've watched constantly since 1986, until this year. I'm bored with it. Nothing matters, nothing progresses, it's just there. I read about segments I want to see but then forget when I get home. WWE and really almost everything is to sanitary anymore, to afraid to offend, in today's culture. Heels have zero real heat, and faces are bland. WWE's bad writing has nothing to do with "today's culture" or being "afraid to offend", and every spark of really good heeling we've seen proves it. Ciampa has been gold all year, Orton spent a match jamming a screwdriver into a dude's ear, Elias has working a crowd that loves you and turning them molten down to a science. WWE's failings right now are a reflection of WWE, and using its corpse as your soapbox for broader societal issues just doesn't click with what their problems actually are. Vince McMahon is an insane crazy person but he's also a 70-something Republican. Look at the "Bobby Lashley's sisters" segment from last year and tell me social justice is the true ill of WWE right now. Yes there are a few heels that can pull it off, I'll grant you that. But the world is sanitary, everyone walking in egg shells. It has a negative effect on my opinion. You can't do anything controversial, you can't push people the way they used to. Now if you think that is but a problem great, II however do. Faces have nothing to work with because true will bastard heels are very very rare. There's nothing for the face to stand up for. You can't choke, you can't use a foreign object, shit heels rarely even cheat. I'll take the midst um political correct hell that got people pissed enough to damn near riot so the face had something to fight for over today's tip toe product. I may be in the minority and I'm fine with that .. That's what I see as a major problem.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 5, 2019 21:51:37 GMT -5
Obviously, the answer is MORE AUTHORITY FIGURES and needlessly complicating storylines to the point people are asking to leave.
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