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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 6, 2019 12:12:50 GMT -5
I've made this point before, but a lot of us who are into indy wrestling, puro, or lucha used to get a lot of grief from some WWE-centric fans in the old days, with accusations of "you only like <insert company here> because you like flippy stuff/stiff strikes/etc., you clearly don't appreciate storytelling or psychology!" Yet it's been WWE more than any other visible company that's made a practice of just having "wrestling for the sake of wrestling", matches that don't reward you for following closely, that don't involve character tics, don't evolve personalities, don't build on previous matches outside of a few exceptions, etc. They just want you to pop for the entrance and the finish, the rest is treated as unimportant. Bingo. The actual wrestling, even on big events, is a total afterthought. Sure, the matches may go long and have lots of high spots but there's rarely any attempt at storytelling or psychology in those matches. It's all just mindless spectacle, polished and shined and refined until all sense of artistry and purpose is gone. The average modern WWE match - hell, modern WWE as a whole - feels like a giant toy commercial, and nothing more. Yeah, the way I've been describing it lately is the entire company just feels like a kid banging two action figures together and saying "and then these two guys fight".
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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2019 12:16:06 GMT -5
Bingo. The actual wrestling, even on big events, is a total afterthought. Sure, the matches may go long and have lots of high spots but there's rarely any attempt at storytelling or psychology in those matches. It's all just mindless spectacle, polished and shined and refined until all sense of artistry and purpose is gone. The average modern WWE match - hell, modern WWE as a whole - feels like a giant toy commercial, and nothing more. Yeah, the way I've been describing it lately is the entire company just feels like a kid banging two action figures together and saying "and then these two guys fight". Yeh i'm not watched much recently besides highlights but the only match I remember watching the last few years with any psychology was Becky vs Asuka, it was great for the story,the match ha a story ,asuka gained from it and becky lost nothing. So of course Asuka misses 2 SD! in a row afterwards
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Post by Texas Tornado on Feb 6, 2019 13:40:54 GMT -5
Look, I turned on Raw and caught Jeff Jarrett and Road Dogg singing a song for 2 minutes straight. I was like "okay, I don't know what's going on here, but maybe the rest of the show is better" and immediately saw that the main event was another permutation of a Kurt Angle vs. Baron Corbin match.
Every time I TRY to watch this show I see THIS SAME f***ING FEUD. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM PROMISING TO STOP GIVING CORBIN SO MUCH PLAY?!
I like a number of wrestlers in WWE, but I'm at the point where I want to see them leave just so I can enjoy the wrestling show around them again.
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 6, 2019 15:37:01 GMT -5
It is difficult to build faces that people love when the company itself has no apparent moral compass, or cannot seem to conceive of one.
I would posit that WWE has not been able to create even credible face/heel characters on their own since the end of the Monday Night War. Every babyface that has emerged since then has either evolved naturally from their lives away from the ring, or has otherwise been carefully constructed by the talents themselves. Heel characters have become the default for WWE's creative team out of laziness or out of the need to placate the McMahons. In a broader culture that too often reinforces ill behaviour or at least sensationalizes it, wrestling could do, I think, with emphasizing its hero-figures, at least for a while, as a much-needed counterbalance. The over-emphasis on heel dominance over the last 20 years, I think, has created a learned helplessness among fans who see two choices every time there's another beatdown or another McMahon appearance or another injustice - they either continue watching and complain bitterly about it or they stop watching. That's what WWE has created, along with WCW and along with the likes of Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2019 15:40:12 GMT -5
Lol. WOR said that WWE's searching for answers as to why ratings are low and now the company's going to start taking a lot of risks now to appease tv partners and future revenue streams. Why don’t they just focus group people and literally just ask them why they don’t watch Raw anymore or why Raw sucks? And I mean an actual focus group of fans, not just Road Dogg, Johnny Ace, and Michael Hayes. Vince in 10 years
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 6, 2019 16:09:34 GMT -5
Forever relevant.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 6, 2019 16:16:49 GMT -5
What actual storylines do the WWE have running right now, apart from Becky Lynch? Okay, Daniel Bryan is doing a good job as a heel, but his never-ending feud with Styles isn't going to be interesting that many people. Without compelling narratives, a lot of people will find it easy to tune in once every few weeks, or just for PPVs on the network.
Maybe they do have more stuff going on, but I just can't remember it. And is any of it actually progressing, or is it just 'and now these guys will feud for a few weeks'?
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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2019 17:31:08 GMT -5
What actual storylines do the WWE have running right now, apart from Becky Lynch? Okay, Daniel Bryan is doing a good job as a heel, but his never-ending feud with Styles isn't going to be interesting that many people. Without compelling narratives, a lot of people will find it easy to tune in once every few weeks, or just for PPVs on the network. Maybe they do have more stuff going on, but I just can't remember it. And is any of it actually progressing, or is it just 'and now these guys will feud for a few weeks'? Seth is after Brock,but there is no story there. There is the elimination chamber matches but there is also no story,just a bunch of people that dislike each other.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 17:34:00 GMT -5
What actual storylines do the WWE have running right now, apart from Becky Lynch? Okay, Daniel Bryan is doing a good job as a heel, but his never-ending feud with Styles isn't going to be interesting that many people. Without compelling narratives, a lot of people will find it easy to tune in once every few weeks, or just for PPVs on the network. Maybe they do have more stuff going on, but I just can't remember it. And is any of it actually progressing, or is it just 'and now these guys will feud for a few weeks'? There is the Mandy / Naomi thing, but it's not like, "Heel tries to break up face's marriage, doesn't work, face subsequently gets their ass kicked every single week," is making for compelling television.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 6, 2019 17:34:22 GMT -5
What actual storylines do the WWE have running right now, apart from Becky Lynch? Okay, Daniel Bryan is doing a good job as a heel, but his never-ending feud with Styles isn't going to be interesting that many people. Without compelling narratives, a lot of people will find it easy to tune in once every few weeks, or just for PPVs on the network. Maybe they do have more stuff going on, but I just can't remember it. And is any of it actually progressing, or is it just 'and now these guys will feud for a few weeks'? Well now we can kill more time with the woman’s tag title that nobody was really demanding. It’s purpose is basically to give a reason for four women to be on TV every week for some reason. So rather than building storylines we just add a title and make that the storyline... kill 10-15 minutes a week
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Post by Woo on Feb 7, 2019 0:00:13 GMT -5
The WWE have been terrible for so lazy years now this is to be expected. Hurry just don't care about good television such is hilarious as they've constantly said that TV is what they are, but wrestling. They are lazy and deserve to fail. I think it's too late for them honestly.
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Post by corndog on Feb 7, 2019 12:38:16 GMT -5
Look, I turned on Raw and caught Jeff Jarrett and Road Dogg singing a song for 2 minutes straight. I was like "okay, I don't know what's going on here, but maybe the rest of the show is better" and immediately saw that the main event was another permutation of a Kurt Angle vs. Baron Corbin match. Every time I TRY to watch this show I see THIS SAME f***ING FEUD. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM PROMISING TO STOP GIVING CORBIN SO MUCH PLAY?! I like a number of wrestlers in WWE, but I'm at the point where I want to see them leave just so I can enjoy the wrestling show around them again.Yeah when someone goes off to WWE that I like, it truly is a farewell from me, because I am not watching them over there. I just can't enjoy WWE anymore, because of the booking, presentation and format of the programs. In a way, it might be a good thing if this Fox deal falls apart, because Vince won't have anyone enabling their dated and stubborn style.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 7, 2019 17:10:41 GMT -5
People wonder why some of us don't think the Women's Revolution thing is overpushed when we got posts referring to several dozen athletes as 'the chicks'.
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