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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 8, 2019 9:31:31 GMT -5
An official drinking game where you take a drink every time the word "superkick" is mentioned would be nice. Ow, my liver.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 8, 2019 9:45:42 GMT -5
I think what every good promotion needs is a presentation style that frames what's happening within each storyline. Put another way, and to contrast it with WWE, the WWE style is one that tries to pretend there is no style, that everything you're seeing is "chaotic" or "unexpected", even as the style they use pretty much waves it in your face that all of this is phony...yeah, it's not so simple to explain when I write it out.
I guess consider it like this: WWE does backstage skits where people stand at odd angles and pretend that there's no camera watching them (thankfully they're getting better about this of late as they allow more formal backstage promos...even if they do relegate most of them to their website or YouTube), they do show-opening promos where we're supposed to be surprised that somebody is interrupting and yet somehow their entrance music and video were already cued up, they even structure their show-opening promos in a way to make it feel like the show hasn't been booked yet and every match is being made on the fly...it's all there to create an air of chaos and unpredictability, but it's so formulaic, lazy, and obviously planned for in the way they shoot and angle things that it becomes insulting to the viewers' collective intelligence. Beyond that, once everything is presented as chaotic and unpredictable, then nothing is chaotic and unpredictable anymore. The Attitude Era worked because it had the older eras of WWF tropes and expectations to subvert or play off variations on, so it did genuinely feel chaotic; you can't then book every show like that for 15 years and expect fans to care anymore. Even worse, they want to come off as unpredictable, and yet so much of WWE style is to do a repetitive match format and do things like position yourself for the hard cam, which make things feel overly polished and, again, phony.
So don't pretend to be some flying-by-the-seat-of-our-pants operation: have a structure. Have regular backstage interviewers, have a clear format, have matches booked ahead of time, and use that to give your show an identity. 1980s/early 90s WWF had an identity: it was a crisp looking modern sports product, complete with an "event center", official-looking offices, and announced matches and interview segments with professional looking broadcasters, even while the wrestlers themselves were over the top cartoon characters. JCP/NWA/WCW had an identity (more sports-like, structured promo time, etc.), and I don't think it's a shock that the company died when they ran away from it. NJPW and much of mainstream puro has an identity: you know what the general structure of a card is going to look like before it begins, you know that wrestlers are expected to go to the back and give comments to the press after a match the same way any other pro athlete would, and you can tell by the camera work that the emphasis is on following the wrestlers, not forcing them to do things a certain way because "you've gotta face the hard cam" or whatever. Lucha Underground, MLW, Impact, so many of these promotions have identities this way. You build the structure, and then you allow the talent to play in that sandbox and get creative with it, and plan your feuds/angles/stories within it.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 8, 2019 9:50:44 GMT -5
All I want them to be is to have the following:
1. Great wrestling (Should be easy with a roster of good talent.) 2. Angles/Storylines that comes off natural and not forced. 3. promos that are more none scripted by someone else and more the wrestler themselves input. The more natural, the better that makes it all more believable. 4. Less talk more wrestling. That been an issue with TV wrestling shows over the years. 5 Be more fan related when it comes to changing things. Example: If you have a guy you want to push to the moon as your top guy as a face and the reaction that person is getting is boos or what I call it The Roman Reigns effect. Be willing to change it. Either turn him heel or stop the push, but don't force that person down fans throat. All major pushes should come naturally. When Austin got over it was natural. When the Rock turned faced and got over, it was natural. That's need to be more the face. Don't WWE it when an act gets over and try to stop it example in the WWE Rusev and Tye Dillinger.
I have to agree be different on how it looks on camera. Honestly don't WWE it with the lighting, make the fans seen more and make the fans seem like they matter in your shows, like ECW make them a part of the show. The louder the fans are, the better.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 8, 2019 9:52:39 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be that different. They just need to tell good stories and go with the guys that the crowd gets behind because the cream rises in the eyes of the fans.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 8, 2019 9:59:16 GMT -5
Here's something they could do that'd be nice, and is kind of a wrestling-wide problem: A. Honor stipulations. Do not promise something you have no intention to deliver. Do not make the audience feel lied to. and B. Justify them. Johnny Kickpads is facing Turner Newleaf in a Texas Bullrope Match, hopefully not the stupid corner touching version? Have someone tied up first, whipped with a rope or cord, or make a point of one guy running or outspeeding the other. JUSTIFY WHY THE MATCH IS HAPPENING. I'm not saying this has to be NJPW, and have one ladder match in like 20 years, but you don't want to have escalation in match stipulations happen without it feeling like a culmination in the feud that'd been built towards. It makes it make so much more impact.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 8, 2019 12:01:46 GMT -5
B. Justify them. Johnny Kickpads is facing Turner Newleaf in a Texas Bullrope Match, hopefully not the stupid corner touching version? Have someone tied up first, whipped with a rope or cord, or make a point of one guy running or outspeeding the other. JUSTIFY WHY THE MATCH IS HAPPENING. I'm not saying this has to be NJPW, and have one ladder match in like 20 years, but you don't want to have escalation in match stipulations happen without it feeling like a culmination in the feud that'd been built towards. It makes it make so much more impact. THIS! I'm so so so so so sick and tired of "Well, it's that time of the year we have cage matches now" from WWE, instead of a cage match being an actual organic consequence of a blood feud.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 12:34:46 GMT -5
no countouts
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 8, 2019 12:39:39 GMT -5
Here's something they could do that'd be nice, and is kind of a wrestling-wide problem: A. Honor stipulations. Do not promise something you have no intention to deliver. Do not make the audience feel lied to. and B. Justify them. Johnny Kickpads is facing Turner Newleaf in a Texas Bullrope Match, hopefully not the stupid corner touching version? Have someone tied up first, whipped with a rope or cord, or make a point of one guy running or outspeeding the other. JUSTIFY WHY THE MATCH IS HAPPENING. I'm not saying this has to be NJPW, and have one ladder match in like 20 years, but you don't want to have escalation in match stipulations happen without it feeling like a culmination in the feud that'd been built towards. It makes it make so much more impact. We're going to finish this in HELL IN A CELL! Because its October!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 12:40:55 GMT -5
B. Justify them. Johnny Kickpads is facing Turner Newleaf in a Texas Bullrope Match, hopefully not the stupid corner touching version? Have someone tied up first, whipped with a rope or cord, or make a point of one guy running or outspeeding the other. JUSTIFY WHY THE MATCH IS HAPPENING. I'm not saying this has to be NJPW, and have one ladder match in like 20 years, but you don't want to have escalation in match stipulations happen without it feeling like a culmination in the feud that'd been built towards. It makes it make so much more impact. THIS! I'm so so so so so sick and tired of "Well, it's that time of the year we have cage matches now" from WWE, instead of a cage match being an actual organic consequence of a blood feud. I think SOME level of arranged gimmick matches is acceptable, mostly because very rarely otherwise would you ever be able to organically do a Royal Rumble, Elimination Chamber, Money in the Bank, or Survivor Series, but yeah, stuff like TLC or Hell in a Cell just needs to stop. It's just lazy and stupid.
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Post by BatPunk on Feb 8, 2019 12:44:10 GMT -5
All it has to do is be fun and entertaining and make me want to watch next week.
That’s it.
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Post by salz4life on Feb 8, 2019 12:45:44 GMT -5
Not at all. It just needs to be good. If I can get a WCW more sports feel? Cool, that's a bonus. But it's not needed for me to support. Bingo..... entertain me, damn it! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 13:06:09 GMT -5
Conrad Thompson as AEW GM.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Feb 8, 2019 13:09:29 GMT -5
It's been awhile since I sat down to watch Raw and Smackdown. I gave up on watching Raw, because I just couldn't make it through that third hour. Promo after promo was another thing that killed it. We all know that this isn't real. I would like to see a show that treats wrestling like a sport.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Feb 8, 2019 14:27:56 GMT -5
I see everyone commenting that they just don’t want it to be like WWE, and I get that, but what I personally want is for it to not be too indy-riffic. I get I’m probably alone on this, but if the first episode has a twenty-five minute main event between two people I’ve never heard of with thirty kick-outs, I’m not watching it. Build your show, build your universe, establish who is important and who is not and tell some stories with them.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 8, 2019 14:50:39 GMT -5
I see everyone commenting that they just don’t want it to be like WWE, and I get that, but what I personally want is for it to not be too indy-riffic. I get I’m probably alone on this, but if the first episode has a twenty-five minute main event between two people I’ve never heard of with thirty kick-outs, I’m not watching it. Build your show, build your universe, establish who is important and who is not and tell some stories with them. Honestly, that sounds more like WWE to me...well, ok, not the "I've never heard of these guys" part, but the "main event that goes long and mostly revolves around kickouts" part. If they do want the first episode to end on a 25 minute main event, it can work so long as there is a purpose to it, whatever it might be. If they just run people out there to hit highspots for that long and it doesn't further an angle, a character, or a feud, then yeah, that'd be an issue.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Feb 8, 2019 14:56:31 GMT -5
I've been saying this for probably about a decade now, of course in the past is was just wishful thinking, but now it could be implemented since AEW exists..
Honestly man, they could really take some hints from UFC. Doing weigh-ins with staredowns (kinda like what they did last night) and all that. If they did those for the main event matches it would really make it seem like a big deal.
I would suggest planning a main event for each show as well, and advertising it as such, again, like how UFC does.
The guys they have now are all some of the best in the world, so the in ring aspect is covered. The presentation is what's gonna get them noticed. A broadcast team who sound professional, and serious would really set things up nicely. Wrestlers doing promos at the camera would be cool. I always loved when Mean Gene would interview at the bottom of the Nitro set. Looked great on TV.
I do have to say that I also agree with the guy a few posts up when he said he hopes it isn't too indy-riffic or whatever. Make finishers mean something again.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 8, 2019 14:58:02 GMT -5
Money Matches. Have something else to sweeten the pot.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 8, 2019 15:00:29 GMT -5
As someone who is completely divorced from the non-WWE wrestling scene, the line up so far just looks like WCW midcard material on overdrive.
I get it's a rich start-up, but it needs to gain traction, and not just in the wrestling community.
They need Hulk Hogan. Not Terry Bollea, but someone with mass mainstream appeal like Hulk Hogan did in 84, to take to the next level.
Maybe they can offer Batista what he wants and build up the company around him?
It's like a rich start-up music production company. You can sign up the cream of the crop of Indy music, but how much more of a coup would it be if you also signed Michael Jackson as well?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 8, 2019 15:22:01 GMT -5
As someone who is completely divorced from the non-WWE wrestling scene, the line up so far just looks like WCW midcard material on overdrive. I get it's a rich start-up, but it needs to gain traction, and not just in the wrestling community. They need Hulk Hogan. Not Terry Bollea, but someone with mass mainstream appeal like Hulk Hogan did in 84, to take to the next level. Maybe they can offer Batista what he wants and build up the company around him? It's like a rich start-up music production company. You can sign up the cream of the crop of Indy music, but how much more of a coup would it be if you also signed Michael Jackson as well? There really isn't that guy out there. Batista maybe but it doesn't always work unless you book it right. See TNA over the years who had every big name under the sun and couldn't draw shit compared what they paid for. That the thing though they are looking to be about workrate with a hybrid of styles. Just because they are not a bunch of former WWE guys or talent that making movies doesn't make it midcard WCW level. This is how you become your own identity but making your own names. They have Jericho and they signed the guy who is compared to the hottest free agent in wrestling since AJ in Omega. All Elite tell me they want elite talent. Does Batista fit the bill after his last WWE run and being out of the ring again for a long time? Rumors about April that they may get some fresh out of the WWE guys if they choice to leave WWE for them. Dean Ambrose the most likely. Wrestling fans should be exposed to new faces and AEW is giving you that.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 8, 2019 15:50:40 GMT -5
As someone who is completely divorced from the non-WWE wrestling scene, the line up so far just looks like WCW midcard material on overdrive. I get it's a rich start-up, but it needs to gain traction, and not just in the wrestling community. They need Hulk Hogan. Not Terry Bollea, but someone with mass mainstream appeal like Hulk Hogan did in 84, to take to the next level. Maybe they can offer Batista what he wants and build up the company around him? It's like a rich start-up music production company. You can sign up the cream of the crop of Indy music, but how much more of a coup would it be if you also signed Michael Jackson as well? There really isn't that guy out there. Batista maybe but it doesn't always work unless you book it right. See TNA over the years who had every big name under the sun and couldn't draw shit compared what they paid for. That the thing though they are looking to be about workrate with a hybrid of styles. Just because they are not a bunch of former WWE guys or talent that making movies doesn't make it midcard WCW level. This is how you become your own identity but making your own names. They have Jericho and they signed the guy who is compared to the hottest free agent in wrestling since AJ in Omega. All Elite tell me they want elite talent. Does Batista fit the bill after his last WWE run and being out of the ring again for a long time? Rumors about April that they may get some fresh out of the WWE guys if they choice to leave WWE for them. Dean Ambrose the most likely. Wrestling fans should be exposed to new faces and AEW is giving you that. I liked the WCW structure. The midcard was a hotbed for Indy and foreign talent. The top stars were heavy hitters with mainstream appeal - Sting, Hogan etc. We'll wait and see how AEW pan out, however if there isn't a Hulk Hogan around, can't hurt if you had someone on the roster that made you think, "Who's that motherf***er? I need to see him again". Kind of like early Ultimate Warrior or early Undertaker.
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