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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Feb 8, 2019 16:00:43 GMT -5
Storytelling is going to be the big thing for me. They've got a good amount of talent right now, but I can go watch a dozen different companies if I just want good matches.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 8, 2019 16:12:32 GMT -5
The biggest thing for me... is that AEW can't just feel like Cody and the Bucks booking themselves and their buddies as gods of their own private sandbox.
That's when WCW died for me. That's when TNA died for me. So forgive me, but I really don't trust active wrestlers booking their own big time promotion. WWE improved when HHH and all his long time buddies got to old to be every day wrestlers. It's a curse that's repeated all too often.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 8, 2019 16:16:37 GMT -5
The biggest thing for me... is that AEW can't just feel like Cody and the Bucks booking themselves and their buddies as gods of their own private sandbox. That's when WCW died for me. That's when TNA died for me. So forgive me, but I really don't trust active wrestlers booking their own big time promotion. WWE improved when HHH and all his long time buddies got to old to be every day wrestlers. It's a curse that's repeated all too often. I mean, you say that but the boss’ son is one half of the tag champs and the McMahons are pretty much the only “stars” the company has right now.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 8, 2019 16:23:53 GMT -5
The biggest thing for me... is that AEW can't just feel like Cody and the Bucks booking themselves and their buddies as gods of their own private sandbox. That's when WCW died for me. That's when TNA died for me. So forgive me, but I really don't trust active wrestlers booking their own big time promotion. WWE improved when HHH and all his long time buddies got to old to be every day wrestlers. It's a curse that's repeated all too often. I mean, you say that but the boss’ son is one half of the tag champs and the McMahons are pretty much the only “stars” the company has right now. I never said they got rid of their overall problem, it only improved some when the HHH and his buddies got too old to be wrestling every single night. I don't trust bookers that are still active talent or have all their close personal buddies they grew up in the business with still active.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 8, 2019 16:24:57 GMT -5
I mean, you say that but the boss’ son is one half of the tag champs and the McMahons are pretty much the only “stars” the company has right now. I never said they got rid of their overall problem, it only improved some when the HHH and his buddies got too old to be wrestling every single night. I don't trust bookers that are still active talent or have all their buddies still active. Sure, wasn’t saying you did. Just pointing out the WWE’s essentially dealt with a Nepotism problem for 20 years that probably won’t go away for another 50-60 years at least.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 8, 2019 16:27:02 GMT -5
I never said they got rid of their overall problem, it only improved some when the HHH and his buddies got too old to be wrestling every single night. I don't trust bookers that are still active talent or have all their buddies still active. Sure, wasn’t saying you did. Just pointing out the WWE’s essentially dealt with a Nepotism problem for 20 years that probably won’t go away for another 50-60 years at least. Hey man I just said something that sets off a little alarm in the back of my head. I'm not trying to argue or defend anything. I'm outta here
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 8, 2019 17:14:40 GMT -5
Storytelling is going to be the big thing for me. They've got a good amount of talent right now, but I can go watch a dozen different companies if I just want good matches. Cody's honestly one of the best story guys going today, so it should probably be a focus. I am definitely hoping that they all take to heart the Memphis mantra, "Personal Issues Sell Tickets".
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Post by markymark on Feb 8, 2019 17:25:50 GMT -5
First of all they dont have Vince Russo to kill another company, but I agree that storylines have to be a big factor, we know that in the ring they wont disappoint.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 17:32:25 GMT -5
Honestly...
It might be me but all I'm expecting is WCW mixed with NJPW with better storytelling. It's not bad but when I say that is that AEW is giving me the idea of a certain style of presentation that I hope they stick to. All I gotta say is that if they give me stories I care about, wrestlers I care about and don't do the "hey we're not WWE guys" thing then I'll be good.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 8, 2019 17:38:17 GMT -5
There really isn't that guy out there. Batista maybe but it doesn't always work unless you book it right. See TNA over the years who had every big name under the sun and couldn't draw shit compared what they paid for. That the thing though they are looking to be about workrate with a hybrid of styles. Just because they are not a bunch of former WWE guys or talent that making movies doesn't make it midcard WCW level. This is how you become your own identity but making your own names. They have Jericho and they signed the guy who is compared to the hottest free agent in wrestling since AJ in Omega. All Elite tell me they want elite talent. Does Batista fit the bill after his last WWE run and being out of the ring again for a long time? Rumors about April that they may get some fresh out of the WWE guys if they choice to leave WWE for them. Dean Ambrose the most likely. Wrestling fans should be exposed to new faces and AEW is giving you that. I liked the WCW structure. The midcard was a hotbed for Indy and foreign talent. The top stars were heavy hitters with mainstream appeal - Sting, Hogan etc. We'll wait and see how AEW pan out, however if there isn't a Hulk Hogan around, can't hurt if you had someone on the roster that made you think, "Who's that motherf***er? I need to see him again". Kind of like early Ultimate Warrior or early Undertaker. They are more than likely going to create that homemade mainstream talent. Just like how Sting happened over a period of time and so forth. Austin was a midcarder in WCW and next thing you know he caught fire in the WWE. When you look at AJ Styles who WWE got him and pushed him to the top right away after dominating Japan and TNA. That who Kenny Omega is, the guy who dominated Japan and was on top. Having that match on Japan's biggest stage with Jericho and later let the World title in Japan. That how I see AEW becoming in the long run is making there own names. It likely going to be Page and Omega as the long term corner stone of the company. Why not both great workers and can talk. The US mainstream will depend on how big of a TV deal they get. I honestly think they are staying away from short term big names as much they can. Jericho is that guy at the moment but I can see them getting Ambrose which is good because he still young enough to be several years worth and fans know him. There been rumors about Goldberg and even CM Punk.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 8, 2019 21:29:00 GMT -5
No unfunny “comedy” segments, no 20 minutes of someone cutting a bullshit promo, no four minutes matches that make a “name” look weak. Keep it lean and mean with a strong focus on the matches, ala peak ECW.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 22:11:46 GMT -5
I want things like:
1. Time off to "train" for matches. Get bookings elsewhere in the meantime, but for that story, if it's a big time title fight, I want the suspense to build and build and build.
2. Characters behaving like real people would. If I have a blood feud with someone, I'm probably not gonna cut a 20 minute promo about it. I'm going to shut up, seethe, and start making sure the person I have beef with always looks behind their shoulder. The promotion should make sure we don't touch until the night of the match.
3. From a match layout perspective, have styles make matches. The Luchador style should really throw people for a loop if they're not familiar with it, same as strong style, etc. Wrestlers should be treated like athletes in the sense that they have very specific skills that make them dangerous. Big strong brawlers should find their kryptonite in seasoned grapplers like ZSJ, that type of thing
4. Matches can end on things other than finishers or rollups.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 22:15:30 GMT -5
To be honest I'm wondering if all the people going, "Keep the focus on the matches!" actually, like, watch WWE's weekly shows. The constant 20 minute matches with no context or purpose are a big part of why they're so damn boring. I'd like to see more of a narrative focus if anything, with the big matches being saved for PPVs or special episodes or whatever.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 8, 2019 22:19:29 GMT -5
I know it's not likely for a bunch of reasons, but if Ambrose/Moxley comes to AEW, I would love if he did so on commentary.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Feb 8, 2019 22:47:00 GMT -5
I feel like its already got something unique going in potential BTE integration. Its already a show that the people plan to watch the promotion view weekly, and I imagine certain storylines will play out there.
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Post by toodarkmark on Feb 9, 2019 1:06:08 GMT -5
To win me over they would have to:
1. Create a funny youtube vlog with skits and them behind the scenes.
2. Take up a challenge from Meltzer that no indie can fill a 10k arena. Put on a show that I enjoy in said arena.
3. Start a promotion with just the people they know, who have been in wrestling for a long time, and actually seem to care what fans think.
4. Take 4-5 months to slowly build the promotion, and sign close to 30 wrestlers with only about one or two that were in WWE.
Thats what they would need to do to win me over.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 9, 2019 1:27:26 GMT -5
To win me over they would have to: 1. Create a funny youtube vlog with skits and them behind the scenes. 2. Take up a challenge from Meltzer that no indie can fill a 10k arena. Put on a show that I enjoy in said arena. 3. Start a promotion with just the people they know, who have been in wrestling for a long time, and actually seem to care what fans think. 4. Take 4-5 months to slowly build the promotion, and sign close to 30 wrestlers with only about one or two that were in WWE. Thats what they would need to do to win me over.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 9, 2019 6:51:52 GMT -5
It doesn't. It just has to be entertaining.
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Post by chrom on Feb 9, 2019 7:26:36 GMT -5
Actually start shows with a match
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 9, 2019 9:02:15 GMT -5
To be honest I'm wondering if all the people going, "Keep the focus on the matches!" actually, like, watch WWE's weekly shows. The constant 20 minute matches with no context or purpose are a big part of why they're so damn boring. I'd like to see more of a narrative focus if anything, with the big matches being saved for PPVs or special episodes or whatever. Speaking for myself, I think "focus on the matches" means ensuring that the matches are the key to the show because they actually serve a purpose. WWE's big sin on that front is booking too many matches just to fill time, to the point of ridiculous repetition and leading to wrestlers just spinning their wheels all over the roster. So, basically use the matches to further angles and continuously reinforce where each character's arc is at that moment, to the best of their ability.
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