Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,914
|
Post by Mozenrath on Feb 9, 2019 6:16:30 GMT -5
What is it with people of a certain generation trying to impose their bullshit on younger generations? All the "dis business" shit is ridiculous in 2019 It should be ridiculous, but when you have people fighting, showing up late, and throwing their trash on the floor, it's not the veteran being ridiculous. It's not like some double-secret handshake, it's conducting yourself like a professional and not contributing to a toxic work environment.
|
|
|
Post by 111111 on Feb 9, 2019 6:20:59 GMT -5
What is it with people of a certain generation trying to impose their bullshit on younger generations? All the "dis business" shit is ridiculous in 2019 It should be ridiculous, but when you have people fighting, showing up late, and throwing their trash on the floor, it's not the veteran being ridiculous. It's not like some double-secret handshake, it's conducting yourself like a professional and not contributing to a toxic work environment. Making someone clean the locker room just because they're the "young guy" is a bit ridicolous and they have every right to say no without having Mark Henry shout at them. If they themselves caused the mess then sure call them out on it but it isn't the young guys job to clean other peoples mess.
|
|
Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
Posts: 48,421
|
Post by Dub H on Feb 9, 2019 6:27:03 GMT -5
something in all this sounds really fish.
And the clean up thing I assume it'd like the Black story, where young guys don't want to be treated like janitors.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 6:38:30 GMT -5
Problem with this system is going to be the same as wrestlers court back in the day.
Ali leaves his dressing room slightly untidy and Mark is all "CLEAN THAT SHIT UP MISTER! I'M DOING THIS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! YOU HAVE POTENTIAL KID BUT YOU NEED TO RESPECT THIS BUSINESS!"
Lesnar leaves his dressing room looking like a bomb hit it and Mark will be all "wow Brock, sure looks like you and Paul had one hell of a party, let me rush in and clean that up for you."
Awful for morale.
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,914
|
Post by Mozenrath on Feb 9, 2019 7:40:26 GMT -5
It should be ridiculous, but when you have people fighting, showing up late, and throwing their trash on the floor, it's not the veteran being ridiculous. It's not like some double-secret handshake, it's conducting yourself like a professional and not contributing to a toxic work environment. Making someone clean the locker room just because they're the "young guy" is a bit ridicolous and they have every right to say no without having Mark Henry shout at them. If they themselves caused the mess then sure call them out on it but it isn't the young guys job to clean other peoples mess. It's a valid concern that it'll just be guys big leaguing the newcomers, but if that's what's happening, they wouldn't really need Mark Henry to be there for that, or Booker T, or any other veteran. It sounds like either people are getting sloppy and snippy due to morale, or there's a culture clash from people who came up in completely different environments. Both seem pretty plausible given how topsy turvy the last couple of years have been. Problem with this system is going to be the same as wrestlers court back in the day. Ali leaves his dressing room slightly untidy and Mark is all "CLEAN THAT SHIT UP MISTER! I'M DOING THIS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! YOU HAVE POTENTIAL KID BUT YOU NEED TO RESPECT THIS BUSINESS!" Lesnar leaves his dressing room looking like a bomb hit it and Mark will be all "wow Brock, sure looks like you and Paul had one hell of a party, let me rush in and clean that up for you." Awful for morale. Why would they need Mark Henry to do that, though? Like, in your scenario, that'd just be what was happening, anyway. And given Brock would probably be in his bus or something, he probably isn't really going to be interacting with the rest, regardless.
|
|
|
Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 9, 2019 10:04:42 GMT -5
Wrestling locker rooms seem like high school BS x 1000
|
|
Futureraven: Beelzebruv
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Ultimate Arbiter of Right And Wrong
Spent half my life here, God help me
Posts: 15,402
|
Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 9, 2019 10:07:25 GMT -5
It should be ridiculous, but when you have people fighting, showing up late, and throwing their trash on the floor, it's not the veteran being ridiculous. It's not like some double-secret handshake, it's conducting yourself like a professional and not contributing to a toxic work environment. Making someone clean the locker room just because they're the "young guy" is a bit ridicolous and they have every right to say no without having Mark Henry shout at them. If they themselves caused the mess then sure call them out on it but it isn't the young guys job to clean other peoples mess. But that's not what's happening, Black started cleaning on his own and was told not to, that was entirely separate to what Mark was talking about. Sounds more like a general problem of people being slobby and not picking up after themselves. You're literally asking for what Mark said he was doing to happen.
|
|
|
Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 9, 2019 10:10:32 GMT -5
Mark Henry has worded this in a way that makes it sound like he's going to basically become Ernest P Worrell
|
|
JCBaggee
Hank Scorpio
Writer, streamer. I used to write for CBR but then they fired everyone who cared about their writers
Posts: 6,791
|
Post by JCBaggee on Feb 9, 2019 10:27:40 GMT -5
I thought I heard that compared to the past, locker rooms are more civil than ever. When they say civil, they're typically talking about the demeanor. There was a bit a while back, I think Austin's podcast? Where when mentioned the drug use and alcohol abuse was significantly toned down because the boys just went to the next town and hung out in the hotel playing video games all night. Civil, though, doesn't mean professional necessarily, and a lot of the guys may be picking up what are perceived as bad habits, not keeping the place clean and showing up late. It's little things you wouldn't really think about if you were newer in the business and didn't have an old hand around to keep you in line.
|
|
|
Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 9, 2019 10:32:51 GMT -5
Wrestlers court is a good idea in theory but it doesn't work, and the last thing the current locker room needs is a return to a system that made the backstage environment into a circle of hell where veterans tortured rookies for fun.
If management want guys to change their behaviour, why not, you know, ask them to, or better yet, if Vince wants talent to turn up at a set time, dress and behave like employees, make them employees and give them full benefits.
|
|
Hypnosis
FANatic
Posts: 105,672
Member is Online
|
Post by Hypnosis on Feb 9, 2019 10:35:50 GMT -5
Wrestling locker rooms seem like high school BS x 1000 "Hey hey hey, what is going on here?!"
|
|
|
Post by 111111 on Feb 9, 2019 11:18:13 GMT -5
But that's not what's happening, Black started cleaning on his own and was told not to,
|
|
|
Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 9, 2019 11:34:21 GMT -5
The interview makes it sound like Henry just decided all this on his own. I can picture him sauntering up to an arena, and spending the whole show trying to get in but all the doors are locked. The whole show? Mark would have the door off its hinges in under 3 minutes.
|
|
|
Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 9, 2019 11:40:03 GMT -5
The interview makes it sound like Henry just decided all this on his own. I can picture him sauntering up to an arena, and spending the whole show trying to get in but all the doors are locked. The whole show? Mark would have the door off its hinges in under 3 minutes. I dunno. I remember that clip of him taking 15 minutes to pull open a cage door lol I always laugh alittle when people say “they play video games” as an example of the backstage environment being good. As if people that play video games couldn’t possibly be toxic, disrespectful and annoying.
|
|
Futureraven: Beelzebruv
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Ultimate Arbiter of Right And Wrong
Spent half my life here, God help me
Posts: 15,402
|
Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 9, 2019 11:47:56 GMT -5
But that's not what's happening, Black started cleaning on his own and was told not to, It's Mark Henry, they're all young guys to him. We have a specific time where someone was going to do the nonsense "new guy does it" thing and was told not too, putting them together it seems like just a generational thing.
|
|
|
Post by BatPunk on Feb 9, 2019 12:17:51 GMT -5
This very much sounds like a Raw issue.
I’m sure on the Smackdown side Bryan, Orton, AJ and Mystrerio are the leaders and really don’t have to do too much to keep the backstage running fine.
Raw on the other hand has Rollins and..... Ziggler who may or may not care.... Ambrose who’s leaving....
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 12:22:38 GMT -5
There's a huge, wide gulf that exists between locker room leader/mentor and "That dick that shows up and wants to boss everyone around and haze newbies"
Perhaps I'm just being naive and hoping for the best, but I would hope that Henry fits into the former category.
Let's face it... you have a lot of young guys on the roster right now who are getting the biggest paychecks of their lives. I wouldn't imagine it's that dissimilar to a rookie on a real sports team, and rookies are well known for not always behaving properly, usually out of a mixture of anxiety and ignorance.
Do I want a return to JBL soapy-ass weird bullshit? Absolutely not.
Mark Henry, though, comes across as a genuinely good dude, for the most part, who just wants the new crop of talent to remember that this is still a job. You still have to show up on time. You still have to keep a clean work area. You may not like all of your coworkers, but you have to be cordial with them when you're on the clock.
Taker used to be the locker room leader back in the day, and I never heard any stories of him beating the crap out of anyone or hazing talent. Sometimes an elder statesman who has some weight and presence to them can fix things before it turns into a whole HR ordeal.
I don't see that as a bad thing
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 12:37:45 GMT -5
Yeah as above, this seems like bringing a bit of a big brother/father figure into the locker room. Someone who can say "hey, pick up your crap" or even "you hurt that guy, carry his bags" without being a dick. Someone who is respected and, let's face it, not one man is going to want to tick off.
|
|
|
Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 9, 2019 13:00:54 GMT -5
There's a huge, wide gulf that exists between locker room leader/mentor and "That dick that shows up and wants to boss everyone around and haze newbies" Perhaps I'm just being naive and hoping for the best, but I would hope that Henry fits into the former category. Let's face it... you have a lot of young guys on the roster right now who are getting the biggest paychecks of their lives. I wouldn't imagine it's that dissimilar to a rookie on a real sports team, and rookies are well known for not always behaving properly, usually out of a mixture of anxiety and ignorance. Do I want a return to JBL soapy-ass weird bullshit? Absolutely not. Mark Henry, though, comes across as a genuinely good dude, for the most part, who just wants the new crop of talent to remember that this is still a job. You still have to show up on time. You still have to keep a clean work area. You may not like all of your coworkers, but you have to be cordial with them when you're on the clock. Taker used to be the locker room leader back in the day, and I never heard any stories of him beating the crap out of anyone or hazing talent. Sometimes an elder statesman who has some weight and presence to them can fix things before it turns into a whole HR ordeal. I don't see that as a bad thing Hell, Henry point-blank says he doesn't want to see the locker room go back to like it was when he was around. I think Mark is slightly misrepresenting his role, though, or marginalizing his actual purpose. He's basically going to be an agent, but he's going to be the one that keeps an eye on backstage things instead of matches and finishes. He'll basically be there to make sure the arenas don't get pissed at the condition the backstage was left in and work as something of counselor for the wrestlers to work though stuff without it escalating to HR.
|
|
|
Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 9, 2019 13:15:02 GMT -5
Does this mean the return of Wrestler's Court? lol Wrestler’s Court jumped the Shark when they were gonna put someone on trial and then realized that Kelly Kelly had to be the judge because she had the longest seniority of that locker room. I think they stopped doing it after that. Henry being an enforcer reminds me when the AWA hired Wahoo McDaniel to scare the guys into doing jobs, wcw did it with Blackjack Mulligan and Paul Orndorff. The locker room is more efficient when you’re scared shitless lol.
|
|