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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 9, 2019 13:58:08 GMT -5
Can you imagine Mark Henry being pissed at you? That shit would be terrifying, especially because he's generally one of the nicest dudes around.
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Post by Fade on Feb 9, 2019 14:18:06 GMT -5
I think what most would want is that medium ground: None of the old carny shit whilst keeping up the discipline and professionalism backstage. Which I’d imagine is tough. Even in today’s backstage locker room. I mean kudos to Mark, but it’s kind of ridiculous, and dudes who are seen as backstage leaders should be playing those roles of occasionally putting people in check: The Rollins,Styles, New Day and Brauns. However I also see those type to the more chill “just do you. Keep stuff civil. Chill” types and therein lies the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 14:31:18 GMT -5
Hell, Henry point-blank says he doesn't want to see the locker room go back to like it was when he was around. I think Mark is slightly misrepresenting his role, though, or marginalizing his actual purpose. He's basically going to be an agent, but he's going to be the one that keeps an eye on backstage things instead of matches and finishes. He'll basically be there to make sure the arenas don't get pissed at the condition the backstage was left in and work as something of counselor for the wrestlers to work though stuff without it escalating to HR. That's exactly how I took it. I didn't think people would assume Mark was referring to the major disrespect that guys were doing back in the day especially after he said he and his crew had to fix the perception of wrestlers due to the era prior to him, the era that did that.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 9, 2019 14:41:02 GMT -5
Does this mean the return of Wrestler's Court? lol Wrestler’s Court jumped the Shark when they were gonna put someone on trial and then realized that Kelly Kelly had to be the judge because she had the longest seniority of that locker room. You are confusing two different things. There was a report that she was the person on a euro tour bus with seniority. Not that they were doing wrestlers court.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 9, 2019 14:50:11 GMT -5
There's a huge, wide gulf that exists between locker room leader/mentor and "That dick that shows up and wants to boss everyone around and haze newbies" Perhaps I'm just being naive and hoping for the best, but I would hope that Henry fits into the former category. Let's face it... you have a lot of young guys on the roster right now who are getting the biggest paychecks of their lives. I wouldn't imagine it's that dissimilar to a rookie on a real sports team, and rookies are well known for not always behaving properly, usually out of a mixture of anxiety and ignorance. Do I want a return to JBL soapy-ass weird bullshit? Absolutely not. Mark Henry, though, comes across as a genuinely good dude, for the most part, who just wants the new crop of talent to remember that this is still a job. You still have to show up on time. You still have to keep a clean work area. You may not like all of your coworkers, but you have to be cordial with them when you're on the clock. Taker used to be the locker room leader back in the day, and I never heard any stories of him beating the crap out of anyone or hazing talent. Sometimes an elder statesman who has some weight and presence to them can fix things before it turns into a whole HR ordeal. I don't see that as a bad thing Hell, Henry point-blank says he doesn't want to see the locker room go back to like it was when he was around. I think Mark is slightly misrepresenting his role, though, or marginalizing his actual purpose. He's basically going to be an agent, but he's going to be the one that keeps an eye on backstage things instead of matches and finishes. He'll basically be there to make sure the arenas don't get pissed at the condition the backstage was left in and work as something of counselor for the wrestlers to work though stuff without it escalating to HR. Yeah, plus, I dunno about you, but "getting scolded by Mark" or "pay 1000 bucks or something worse in a fine and end up with shit on my record come next renegotiation", I'll take the former.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 9, 2019 14:50:46 GMT -5
Put me on the list who doesn't believe for one damn second that this isn't about hazing. But beyond that, this.... is really stupid. What's he going to do? Seriously, what the hell is he going to do?
"Hey man, clean up that trash."
"No."
The implication is, he'll beat them up, but he is obviously not really going to beat anyone up. He doesn't have 'authority' unless other people in the locker room give him authority. What's he going to do?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 14:58:35 GMT -5
Put me on the list who doesn't believe for one damn second that this isn't about hazing. But beyond that, this.... is really stupid. What's he going to do? Seriously, what the hell is he going to do? "Hey man, clean up that trash." "No." The implication is, he'll beat them up, but he is obviously not really going to beat anyone up. He doesn't have 'authority' unless other people in the locker room give him authority. What's he going to do? Are you serious? Man I think I read your post wrong or something lol. Man, when I made this thread I figured more people would agree with what Mark's doing here but reading some of the responses, wow. Not even once did Henry mention hazing or doing any of the foul stuff that they've done in the past. He was just saying he was going to make sure that everyone shows respect. Some of the things Henry was talking about (girlfriend and wife being disrespected type of stuff) is something that's a straight up HR violation in most other fields. That type of thing shouldn't fly. As for guys not cleaning up after themselves, that should be common sense and something we learn to do as children. When you're eating in the lunchroom you don't just leave your plate, you throw it away. Same with restaurants, like, these are things that these wrestlers should be doing. How is it stupid to say "hey man you gotta clean up after you leave" when that's something that every other job tells you to do? When that's something we've learned to do as children?
As for what he's gonna do, he said he'd tell Vince to fine a guy 1500 and then next thing you know they'll be missing that 1500 from their check because hey maybe if they don't respect the locker room then maybe they'll respect the money out of their check. He doesn't have to beat them up but he can easily let Vince fine guys. At that point it's a matter of if the wrestlers want to be fined or not.
People aren't understanding that a lot of what Mark's talking about is plain manners and respect. Most jobs give you this on day one with the training videos.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 9, 2019 14:59:51 GMT -5
Put me on the list who doesn't believe for one damn second that this isn't about hazing. But beyond that, this.... is really stupid. What's he going to do? Seriously, what the hell is he going to do? "Hey man, clean up that trash." "No." The implication is, he'll beat them up, but he is obviously not really going to beat anyone up. He doesn't have 'authority' unless other people in the locker room give him authority. What's he going to do? He already said what he'll do, that he doesn't have any qualms about going to management if they're not going to listen to reason. Like, it's awesome to not want stuff to go to the shit way they were in the early-to-mid 2000s, or the mid 90s, but there's not peep one about Mark being used as an enforcer his whole career. If that was his role, if that's what they wanted, why wouldn't they pick someone they've tapped for that role? If that's been his role, why have we never had newz reports about that before?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 9, 2019 15:04:32 GMT -5
Wrestler’s Court jumped the Shark when they were gonna put someone on trial and then realized that Kelly Kelly had to be the judge because she had the longest seniority of that locker room. You are confusing two different things. There was a report that she was the person on a euro tour bus with seniority. Not that they were doing wrestlers court. Sorry I misremembered it, I thought they wanted to do a wrestlers court during that tour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 15:04:55 GMT -5
Prowrestlingsheet posted their opinions of it. I wanted to see what others thought about what Mark was saying here.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 9, 2019 15:07:21 GMT -5
Can you imagine Mark Henry being pissed at you? That shit would be terrifying, especially because he's generally one of the nicest dudes around. The hall of pain gimmick? It started when Vince and his stooges ribbed Mark in a house show, Mark lost it and went backstage, Vince and the agents were long gone. The best decision of their lives.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Feb 9, 2019 15:18:29 GMT -5
Are people seriously complaining about an employee with seniority coming back to help maintain order and a sense of professionalism? Especially in a business like pro wrestling that's entirely built off of trusting your coworkers with your life?
No one's saying to bring back the old hazing and frat boy bullshit, but this is basic stuff that would go on in any similar work environment. You need an old head (or someone with the respect of younger staff) to come in and maintain a sense of order.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Feb 9, 2019 15:29:29 GMT -5
Reading some of the wrestlers courts stories and the amount of ones that end "and they was ordered to buy beer for APA/Bradshaw" is really high, something tells me WC was often an excuse for Bradshaw wanting beer and not wanting to buy beer
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Post by trollrogue on Feb 9, 2019 15:34:35 GMT -5
I'd say any newbie who doesn't want to clean up and pay their dues backstage when vets tell them what's what need to simply job to Mark Henry on RAW live under 8 secs after a Worlds' Strongest Slam. Win Win, Mark gets to induct more fools into the Hall of Pain and upstart raggamuffins get put in their place as far as where the totem pole lies when they act like an ass and expect favorable booking.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Feb 9, 2019 15:43:15 GMT -5
Mark Henry has worded this in a way that makes it sound like he's going to basically become Ernest P Worrell This is a reboot I want to see happen now. We'll start with Mark Henry goes to Camp, then Mark Henry saves Christmas all the way up Mark Henry scared stupid with a detour where the world's strongest man plays Jed Clampett in a new Beverly Hillbillies
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 9, 2019 15:57:43 GMT -5
Put me on the list who doesn't believe for one damn second that this isn't about hazing. But beyond that, this.... is really stupid. What's he going to do? Seriously, what the hell is he going to do? "Hey man, clean up that trash." "No." The implication is, he'll beat them up, but he is obviously not really going to beat anyone up. He doesn't have 'authority' unless other people in the locker room give him authority. What's he going to do? Are you serious? Man I think I read your post wrong or something lol. Man, when I made this thread I figured more people would agree with what Mark's doing here but reading some of the responses, wow. Not even once did Henry mention hazing or doing any of the foul stuff that they've done in the past. He was just saying he was going to make sure that everyone shows respect. Some of the things Henry was talking about (girlfriend and wife being disrespected type of stuff) is something that's a straight up HR violation in most other fields. That type of thing shouldn't fly. As for guys not cleaning up after themselves, that should be common sense and something we learn to do as children. When you're eating in the lunchroom you don't just leave your plate, you throw it away. Same with restaurants, like, these are things that these wrestlers should be doing. How is it stupid to say "hey man you gotta clean up after you leave" when that's something that every other job tells you to do? When that's something we've learned to do as children?
Yeah, and so if this is happening the way Henry says, you need an HR representative on hand to be a liaison to management, and you need clearly stated rules that everyone can see and are enforced fairly. You do not need a veteran from wrestler's court to come in and "reestablish the chain of command." This is not a choice between letting the inmates run the asylum and chaos. You can actually institute policies and enforce them, all above-the-board. And no, I legit don't buy that "hey newbie, clean up everyone's shit" and "dude, don't leave trash everywhere, that's disrespectful to the cleaning staff" aren't quickly becoming the same thing once Locker Room Leaders get involved. That concept does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. You can heellllllla be sure that if JBL walked up to some rookie in 1999 and said, "Clean up everyone's trash tonight," and that rookie (correctly) said, "No, that's not my job," then Bradshaw would absolutely consider that rookie as violating "basic respect." He'd also be full of shit. Oh, this wasn't in the quoted part, so I didn't know about it. That's a little better, I guess, but you can't convince me he's not using deliberately intimidating language and playing up his physically tough persona when he describes this role. "We finna reestablish the leadership chain of command" does not read to me like someone who 1. is uninterested in hazing, and 2. believes his role solely involves being a liaison to management. The hell does a "chain of command" have to do with keeping people from trashing locker rooms, or basic norms of respect? That's old-school, poisonous wrestling talk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 16:07:47 GMT -5
It seems he essentially is going to be the manager of the locker room. Make sure everyone has their shit together, show up on time, and not pull some Enzo like bullshit. I don't really see an issue with it. He isn't saying "I'm coming back to bring up the good ol' days of people shitting in bags and soaping up guys in the shower!"
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Post by Shai on Feb 9, 2019 16:17:06 GMT -5
It seems he essentially is going to be the manager of the locker room. Make sure everyone has their shit together, show up on time, and not pull some Enzo like bullshit. I don't really see an issue with it. He isn't saying "I'm coming back to bring up the good ol' days of people shitting in bags and soaping up guys in the shower!" In addition it sounds like it was something Roman tended to handle, they gave it a few months with him gone and saw a decline.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 16:19:25 GMT -5
Yeah, and so if this is happening the way Henry says, you need an HR representative on hand to be a liaison to management, and you need clearly stated rules that everyone can see and are enforced fairly. You do not need a veteran from wrestler's court to come in and "reestablish the chain of command." This is not a choice between letting the inmates run the asylum and chaos. You can actually institute policies and enforce them, all above-the-board. And no, I legit don't buy that "hey newbie, clean up everyone's shit" and "dude, don't leave trash everywhere, that's disrespectful to the cleaning staff" aren't quickly becoming the same thing once Locker Room Leaders get involved. That concept does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. You can heellllllla be sure that if JBL walked up to some rookie in 1999 and said, "Clean up everyone's trash tonight," and that rookie (correctly) said, "No, that's not my job," then Bradshaw would absolutely consider that rookie as violating "basic respect." He'd also be full of shit. It doesn't work that way because a HR representative doesn't know the wrestlers as well as a veteran does nor are they in the locker rooms, at the tapings and are likely in Stanford most times. You've worked jobs before. You can't talk to a HR rep as close as you can to someone who's actually on the floor with you unloading boxes and stocking the shelves because they're not in the field with you and in the wrestling business I imagine it's lesser given the personalities involved. They do have an HR and it's obviously not working given these guys still aren't sticking to the rules. You can tell them what to do but are you really going to put a random HR person in each locker room just to say "hey, can you clean that up" or are you going to get a veteran who's more in tune with these stars who knows how the locker room is and put them in the position? There's a difference between Bradshaw telling guys to clean up the locker room and someone like Henry doing it. The difference is that when Henry says it he's doing it from a manners, respect and overall attitude of wrestlers as a whole. He had a whole speech about how if those things aren't there then it looks bad on everyone and it took him, Rock and the other young guys to change how people viewed wrestlers. Bradshaw on the other hand wasn't doing it for those reasons, he was doing it for his own pleasure. There's a difference between doing it for yourself and doing it for the whole team and the team perception's what Henry was talking about. Black told a good story about this.
See, Reigns told Black to stop doing that not because he felt that those things didn't need to be done but he had him stop doing it because he felt that Black was already part of the team and as long as he killed it in the ring then he's cool with him so Black stopped. Reigns was being a leader and making sure everyone felt they were part of the group. What sticks out in that story is the fact that Black even had to do that in the first place. When someone who's part of the team has to willingly be the guy doing this because others can't take care of themselves and their shit that's a problem. The fact Black even said that this generation needs those morals says everything. Wrestlers likely respect those who have been in their shoes longer compared to those in the offices. You ask most wrestlers who they'd respect, a Mark Henry or Mark Carrano from talent relations and they'll likely say Mark Henry given he knows their position, he knows the locker room, he knows the grind, he can resonate with them more. It's not really old school poisonous wrestling talk but rather it's more of something we all see in life. It's like you respecting someone who's worked at your job longer than you, who's been in your shoes compared to someone who works across the store not knowing your field. Henry's whole "we finne reestablish the leadership chain of command" wasn't said to be some hazing, bullying or "here boy grab my bags" type of thing. It read as if Henry's saying "ok, we gotta get a veteran there to fix things because they're not in order" because that was Mark's whole point. It sounds as though as most wrestlers today aren't respectful to others and what they stand, the respect in the locker room and when you don't have respect for others, you don't have respect for the "chain of command." You respect people higher than you or else you should because that's how chain of commands go. He was speaking from a respect, morals and overall attitude standpoint rather than a benefit to himself standpoint. I mean even Sam and Mark went over how he's not doing it for himself but for the perception of all wrestlers and what they stand for. You can tell someone to clean their shit up and not be a Bradshaw type of guy. Herny's entire speech that podcast was proving how he's doing it for the benefit of the team which helps everyone out. Like, it's not comparable.
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Post by trollrogue on Feb 9, 2019 16:19:29 GMT -5
Are you serious? Man I think I read your post wrong or something lol. Man, when I made this thread I figured more people would agree with what Mark's doing here but reading some of the responses, wow. Not even once did Henry mention hazing or doing any of the foul stuff that they've done in the past. He was just saying he was going to make sure that everyone shows respect. Some of the things Henry was talking about (girlfriend and wife being disrespected type of stuff) is something that's a straight up HR violation in most other fields. That type of thing shouldn't fly. As for guys not cleaning up after themselves, that should be common sense and something we learn to do as children. When you're eating in the lunchroom you don't just leave your plate, you throw it away. Same with restaurants, like, these are things that these wrestlers should be doing. How is it stupid to say "hey man you gotta clean up after you leave" when that's something that every other job tells you to do? When that's something we've learned to do as children?
Yeah, and so if this is happening the way Henry says, you need an HR representative on hand to be a liaison to management, and you need clearly stated rules that everyone can see and are enforced fairly. You do not need a veteran from wrestler's court to come in and "reestablish the chain of command." This is not a choice between letting the inmates run the asylum and chaos. You can actually institute policies and enforce them, all above-the-board. And no, I legit don't buy that "hey newbie, clean up everyone's shit" and "dude, don't leave trash everywhere, that's disrespectful to the cleaning staff" aren't quickly becoming the same thing once Locker Room Leaders get involved. That concept does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. You can heellllllla be sure that if JBL walked up to some rookie in 1999 and said, "Clean up everyone's trash tonight," and that rookie (correctly) said, "No, that's not my job," then Bradshaw would absolutely consider that rookie as violating "basic respect." He'd also be full of shit. Oh, this wasn't in the quoted part, so I didn't know about it. That's a little better, I guess, but you can't convince me he's not using deliberately intimidating language and playing up his physically tough persona when he describes this role. "We finna reestablish the leadership chain of command" does not read to me like someone who 1. is uninterested in hazing, and 2. believes his role solely involves being a liaison to management. The hell does a "chain of command" have to do with keeping people from trashing locker rooms, or basic norms of respect? That's old-school, poisonous wrestling talk. I mean at the end of the day, WWE is a publicly-traded corp and both Sam Roberts and Mark Henry are on WWE's payroll. Especially for spreading propaganda and 'mixing' elements of fact with fiction in terms of backstage reality/storylines. Mark says he'll be the 'enforcer' and I think behind the scenes he's signed legal papers and (even though he denies having an actual title) is some kind of WWE Official in charge of Supervising Talent. This way when he tells wrestlers to do something, they can't just say 'no' and expect no repercussions.
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