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Post by prichardmark on Feb 16, 2019 17:28:12 GMT -5
For an entertainment company that requires new ideas anyways.
Maybe its time for the McMahon family to finally sell and let someone completely new take their product and run with it? There are only so many "new ideas" that one family can come up with after 3 plus decades. And its obvious at this point, they have NO new ideas. Everything is just a rehash of something that happened in the past used with new wrestlers who aren't nearly as over.
Maybe it will happen regardless once Vince is gone. The product needs a completely overhaul and new invention. The way the Mcmahons do business, I don't see anything "new" ever come of it. They are still doing "authority" storylines to the chagrin of a FRACTION of the audience they used to draw.
Close shop, sell the company, keep the change and find a new endeavor. You have to keep things new to keep the fresh. Its evident over the last decade plus, they have NOTHING to offer new. But maybe someone else does under a new vision
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Post by Spider2024 on Feb 16, 2019 17:29:24 GMT -5
Yes, the Ruff Ryders rap group should be in charge. Let them open up shop.
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Post by Spider2024 on Feb 16, 2019 17:31:47 GMT -5
Serious answer: Triple H will one day soon be the #1 guy (I predict he'll have slightly more pull than either Stephanie or Shane once Vince steps away one way or another). He's got plenty of good ideas. WWE will be fine for another 36 years at least.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 16, 2019 17:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 16, 2019 17:34:45 GMT -5
Why would he do that? Vince has devoted his entire adult life to this company. I'd be taking it to my grave too.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 16, 2019 17:34:54 GMT -5
When has professional wrestling ever been based on "new ideas"? It's just dozens on permutations on "good guy fights bad guy". Now, there are interesting takes on this concept and stagnant ones (and the company is currently deeply mired in this category) but the idea that some new owner is going to "change the game with exciting ideas!!!". No. It's still going to be good guys fighting bad guys
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 16, 2019 17:39:07 GMT -5
Why would he do that? Vince has devoted his entire adult life to this company. I'd be taking it to my grave too. ... Well Because they continue to lose MILLIONS of viewers and nothing they can do currently is fixing it? Other than making excuses like "injuries" We got some legit competition like AEW popping up now and they may be stealing more talent than WWE can make in the future. The proof is in the pudding. They keep bleeding viewers and can't figure out how to stop the bleeding. Once AEW gets off the ground, they are in even deeper crap at this point. And this time theres no Stone Cold or Rock to save them
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Post by Tenshigure on Feb 16, 2019 17:44:00 GMT -5
Vince McMahon looks at the record profits the company made in 2018 and laughs at your "maybe you should stop" nonsense. Seriously, the 'hardcore audience' doesn't matter as long as they're raking hand over fist from their Fox/KSA deals.
Even if they were actually LOSING money on top of the ratings and attendance decline, with Vince being majority shareholder there isn't a single thing anyone can do, seeing as Vince could easily (and personally) remove anyone who disagrees with him and replace them with more agreeable people.
They could pull an Impact and run the same 3 commercials of USA programming for three hours straight if they wanted (who wants nonstop Temptation Island and Chrisley Knows Best ads?!) and nobody could do a damned thing about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 17:46:38 GMT -5
Why would he do that? Vince has devoted his entire adult life to this company. I'd be taking it to my grave too. ... Well Because they continue to lose MILLIONS of viewers and nothing they can do currently is fixing it? Other than making excuses like "injuries" We got some legit competition like AEW popping up now and they may be stealing more talent than WWE can make in the future. The proof is in the pudding. They keep bleeding viewers and can't figure out how to stop the bleeding. Once AEW gets off the ground, they are in even deeper crap at this point. And this time theres no Stone Cold or Rock to save them I'm excited for AEW but it still could end up being a huge blunder.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 16, 2019 17:47:26 GMT -5
"What do you mean it's not for sale?"
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 16, 2019 17:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 16, 2019 17:49:29 GMT -5
Vince McMahon looks at the record profits the company made in 2018 and laughs at your "maybe you should stop" nonsense. Seriously, the 'hardcore audience' doesn't matter as long as they're raking hand over fist from their Fox/KSA deals. Even if they were actually LOSING money on top of the ratings and attendance decline, with Vince being majority shareholder there isn't a single thing anyone can do, seeing as Vince could easily (and personally) remove anyone who disagrees with him and replace them with more agreeable people. They could pull an Impact and run the same 3 commercials of USA programming for three hours straight if they wanted (who wants nonstop Temptation Island and Chrisley Knows Best ads?!) and nobody could do a damned thing about it. Vince can do a lot of things and hire more "yes men" but he isn't 50 years old anymore. He's going on 80. So obviously mental faculties are ceasing to exist.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 16, 2019 17:49:39 GMT -5
When has professional wrestling ever been based on "new ideas"? It's just dozens on permutations on "good guy fights bad guy". Now, there are interesting takes on this concept and stagnant ones (and the company is currently deeply mired in this category) but the idea that some new owner is going to "change the game with exciting ideas!!!". No. It's still going to be good guys fighting bad guys Hell, one of the most iconic wrestlers was, and still is, doing a long term Jackie Fargo impression.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 17:58:29 GMT -5
So many problems with the premise and follow up posts that I don’t even know where to start.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 17:59:25 GMT -5
They have TV execs from the 1800s giving them money hand over 10 fists so they aint going anywhere unless the McMahon family just wants out of wrestling.
And as far as new ideas well...where in televised wrestling elsewhere are new ideas? IMO the only truly unique and different concept in televised wrestling in a very long time is/was LU , every other company is just some variation of WWE's set up.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 16, 2019 17:59:47 GMT -5
I don't think WWE needs new ideas, I think they just need change. The structural backbone of pro wrestling is still really solid. If you take someone the crowd likes and pitch them in a struggle against someone the crowd doesn't like, it'll work. So much of the problem isn't WWE not having new ideas, it's that they have honed their show down to a single focused point that is easiest for the appeal and effort of an old man in his seventies who both structures the show to appeal to himself and is isolated from his viewing audience in a way that keeps him from realizing how badly it's playing.
It's why so many of the ideas people suggest to try and change the show up aren't even new ideas. Wanting them to drop an over-emphasis on drawn-out in-ring promos to do more backstage stuff or vignettes is returning to ideas we haven't seen strongly in a while. Same with stuff like strongly utilizing the whole of your roster better, spreading out mic time to give acts that don't get much--if any--a chance to get over.
Conversely, I think a lot of what is wrong with WWE comes down to abandoning really fundamental aspects of booking and producing a wrestling show. A lack of continuity, clear characters, and abysmal ability to book long term in any meaningful way aren't old ideas, they're just bad ideas. Even removing crowd reaction from the Roman situation, the handling of his and Brock's feud has been the opposite of how you crown a top face. Him losing at Mania last year, losing a cage match by fluke, then winning in a kinda sketchy way at Summerslam didn't add anything to the story that him winning at Mania wouldn't have, and in many ways it took a lot out of the story.
I absolutely think Vince McMahon and his staleness are the vital pieces of what is ailing the product right now. But they need change more than they need newness. Vince has been running the company for too long and let success go to his head, and he's become the very same failing territory promoter his self-aggrandizing historical retrospectives gripe about. Changing that doesn't mean reinventing the wheel, and honestly a return to a strong traditional base may even work best. A lot of NXT's biggest successes have focused on much more fundamental booking strategies and it has been a hit, Hunter's NWA fandom shines through in a way that has found its mark.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 16, 2019 18:00:36 GMT -5
They’ve got an entire staff of writers, as well as plenty of wrestlers who have their own thoughts about where to go. Ideas are not in short supply. It’s choosing which are good that they’ve sucked at for several years. The company probably will be better when Vince is dead in 100 years.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 16, 2019 18:01:57 GMT -5
So many problems with the premise and follow up posts that I don’t even know where to start. I got a starting point
Why the hell would you give up your company which is posing record profits because you "had a good run". Hell, the fact you still making bank and able to post a record profit 36 years in is going to make u go harder
This is Vince and by extension the Mcmahon family legacy, it's not a mom and pop store
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 18:03:27 GMT -5
“Hey Vince, your company just made 900 million dollars last year. And has the best roster in a decade with a developmental that’s the best it’s been since 2002. And signed a gigantic TV deal. It’s time to close up shop! AEW is coming for you...sure they don’t have TV. Or a full roster. And have just ran one event. Or have a touring schedule. Or any titles. And it seems like most of the parties involved are taking the investor for a ride by creating phony VP jobs. CLOSE UP SHOP, THE FED IS DYING!”
I saw Vince in public at a mall and said this to him. He just laughed as security dragged me away.
He told me to go back to reddit
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Post by Perd on Feb 16, 2019 18:04:46 GMT -5
There was a better chance of 1992 Undertaker selling.
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