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Post by fw91 on Feb 16, 2019 18:05:11 GMT -5
when he's not in the middle of self indulgence, I really think HHH may have one of the best minds in the industry.
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Post by KobashiChop on Feb 16, 2019 18:06:18 GMT -5
Why would he do that? Vince has devoted his entire adult life to this company. I'd be taking it to my grave too. ... Well Because they continue to lose MILLIONS of viewers and nothing they can do currently is fixing it? Other than making excuses like "injuries" We got some legit competition like AEW popping up now and they may be stealing more talent than WWE can make in the future. The proof is in the pudding. They keep bleeding viewers and can't figure out how to stop the bleeding. Once AEW gets off the ground, they are in even deeper crap at this point. And this time theres no Stone Cold or Rock to save them AEW have one event booked. They do not have a TV deal, they do not have a touring schedule, a finalised roster, they have One. Event. I want AEW to be good, Im a fan of the guys involved, but there are a LOT of wrestling fans jumping the gun on AEW right now. I get that the promos The Elite have cut have been riveting, and we all want them to Change The World (tm). But the entire concept is an embryo right now. Yeah, Double or Nothing sold out in 4 mins and thats great, but its essentially All In 2 right now. It's a marquee supercard with a weekend of promotion that is essentially a special attraction. The WWE consistently run basketball arenas twice a week and have put over 70,000 in stadiums once a year for the last 12 years. We really need to temper our expectations with this whole "AEW is competition to WWE" mantra. This isnt just you, but Cody and the Bucks have worked a lot of us, hard.
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Post by KobashiChop on Feb 16, 2019 18:09:27 GMT -5
when he's not in the middle of self indulgence, I really think HHH may have one of the best minds in the industry. You are correct. Take himself out of the equation and he really just has his finger on the pulse. I mean, I struggle to pick one booking decision from the last 4 years of NXT that was actively detrimental to the product or spiteful towards the fans. It's easy for people to equate bad booking with "something I personally didnt enjoy" but I defy anyone to tell me one thing they did that actively damaged the product the way something like the 2015 Royal Rumble did to Roman Reigns.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 16, 2019 18:10:19 GMT -5
... Well Because they continue to lose MILLIONS of viewers and nothing they can do currently is fixing it? Other than making excuses like "injuries" We got some legit competition like AEW popping up now and they may be stealing more talent than WWE can make in the future. The proof is in the pudding. They keep bleeding viewers and can't figure out how to stop the bleeding. Once AEW gets off the ground, they are in even deeper crap at this point. And this time theres no Stone Cold or Rock to save them AEW have one event booked. They do not have a TV deal, they do not have a touring schedule, a finalised roster, they have One. Event. I want AEW to be good, Im a fan of the guys involved, but there are a LOT of wrestling fans jumping the gun on AEW right now. I get that the promos The Elite have cut have been riveting, and we all want them to Change The World (tm). But the entire concept is an embryo right now. Yeah, Double or Nothing sold out in 4 mins and thats great, but its essentially All In 2 right now. It's a marquee supercard with a weekend of promotion that is essentially a special attraction. The WWE consistently run basketball arenas twice a week and have put over 70,000 in stadiums once a year for the last 12 years. We really need to temper our expectations with this whole "AEW is competition to WWE" mantra. This isnt just you, but Cody and the Bucks have worked a lot of us, hard. you. you get it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 16, 2019 18:11:54 GMT -5
Why would he do that? Vince has devoted his entire adult life to this company. I'd be taking it to my grave too. We got some legit competition like AEW popping up now and they may be stealing more talent than WWE can make in the future. "Legit"
They haven't even been around 6 months yet and have booked one show. Let's give them some time before they are crowned the new kings of wrestling
They have to prove more
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 16, 2019 18:16:38 GMT -5
This is like those discussions of people going “Disney should stop making live action remakes”.
Erm, why? Because you don’t approve? They make money.
Vince makes money. It might not be off shows or merchandise or anything related to the product outside of TV deals and KSA but the shareholders won’t care and neither will management.
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Post by KobashiChop on Feb 16, 2019 18:20:32 GMT -5
This is like those discussions of people going “Disney should stop making live action remakes”. Erm, why? Because you don’t approve? They make money. Vince makes money. It might not be off shows or merchandise or anything related to the product outside of TV deals and KSA but the shareholders won’t care and neither will management. I think as wrestling fans because we have so much perceived knowledge of the booking process we've become too self involved when it comes to the quality of the show, and its hard to separate what is selling with what we do and dont enjoy. I see it all the time on here or anywhere else where someone doesnt like a wrestler so "theyre clearly not over". Or the old "well, heres how I would have booked it".
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Feb 16, 2019 18:22:43 GMT -5
"We, the entire McMahon family, have parted ways with the WWE. We wish ourselves well in our future endeavors."
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 16, 2019 18:25:10 GMT -5
This is like those discussions of people going “Disney should stop making live action remakes”. Erm, why? Because you don’t approve? They make money. Vince makes money. It might not be off shows or merchandise or anything related to the product outside of TV deals and KSA but the shareholders won’t care and neither will management. Well Disney ruined the SW Franchise and the Last Jedi movie was complete trash that didn't make nearly as much money as the TFA so Failure eventually DOES catch up to you. You can't sweep crap under the rug forever nor can you manipulate investors forever.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 16, 2019 18:28:19 GMT -5
This is like those discussions of people going “Disney should stop making live action remakes”. Erm, why? Because you don’t approve? They make money. Vince makes money. It might not be off shows or merchandise or anything related to the product outside of TV deals and KSA but the shareholders won’t care and neither will management. Well Disney ruined the SW Franchise and the Last Jedi movie was complete trash that didn't make nearly as much money so Failure eventually DOES catch up to you. You can't sweep crap under the rug forever now can you manipulate investors forever. Last Jedi made a billion dollars. I think you mean Solo if you were to make that argument and even then, that was to do with bad press as much as anything.
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Post by KobashiChop on Feb 16, 2019 18:31:03 GMT -5
This is like those discussions of people going “Disney should stop making live action remakes”. Erm, why? Because you don’t approve? They make money. Vince makes money. It might not be off shows or merchandise or anything related to the product outside of TV deals and KSA but the shareholders won’t care and neither will management. Well Disney ruined the SW Franchise and the Last Jedi movie was complete trash that didn't make nearly as much money as the TFA so Failure eventually DOES catch up to you. You can't sweep crap under the rug forever nor can you manipulate investors forever. As per Wikipedia: I think as wrestling fans because we have so much perceived knowledge of the booking process we've become too self involved when it comes to the quality of the show, and its hard to separate what is selling with what we do and dont enjoy.I see it all the time on here or anywhere else where someone doesnt like a wrestler so "theyre clearly not over". Or the old "well, heres how I would have booked it".
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 16, 2019 18:31:04 GMT -5
Well Disney ruined the SW Franchise and the Last Jedi movie was complete trash that didn't make nearly as much money so Failure eventually DOES catch up to you. You can't sweep crap under the rug forever now can you manipulate investors forever. Last Jedi made a billion dollars. I think you mean Solo if you were to make that argument and even then, that was to do with bad press as much as anything. And with as much content they got out, Disney can take an L from solo and survive
Nobody is going to abandon ship because Solo did bad but let's forget they have a billion dollar movie franchise in MCU
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 16, 2019 18:31:49 GMT -5
This is like those discussions of people going “Disney should stop making live action remakes”. Erm, why? Because you don’t approve? They make money. Vince makes money. It might not be off shows or merchandise or anything related to the product outside of TV deals and KSA but the shareholders won’t care and neither will management. Well Disney ruined the SW Franchise and the Last Jedi movie was complete trash that didn't make nearly as much money as the TFA so Failure eventually DOES catch up to you. You can't sweep crap under the rug forever nor can you manipulate investors forever. The Last Jedi made 1.3 billion dollars worldwide and while it was highly divisive, it did absolutely find its audience and good reception from that audience. Episode Nine will break a billion this year too. Disney has also been putting out multiple billion-dollar movies a year and the majority of them find great reception, so I'm really not sure what you're on about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 19:18:47 GMT -5
Well Disney ruined the SW Franchise and the Last Jedi movie was complete trash that didn't make nearly as much money as the TFA so Failure eventually DOES catch up to you. You can't sweep crap under the rug forever nor can you manipulate investors forever. The Last Jedi made 1.3 billion dollars worldwide and while it was highly divisive, it did absolutely find its audience and good reception from that audience. Episode Nine will break a billion this year too. Disney has also been putting out multiple billion-dollar movies a year and the majority of them find great reception, so I'm really not sure what you're on about. Straws, they are being grasped at this point
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 16, 2019 19:21:27 GMT -5
When has professional wrestling ever been based on "new ideas"? It's just dozens on permutations on "good guy fights bad guy". Now, there are interesting takes on this concept and stagnant ones (and the company is currently deeply mired in this category) but the idea that some new owner is going to "change the game with exciting ideas!!!". No. It's still going to be good guys fighting bad guys Hell, one of the most iconic wrestlers was, and still is, doing a long term Jackie Fargo impression. ...but enough about new WWE agent Jeff Jarrett.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:05:45 GMT -5
Wait till HHH takes over. If it's anything like NXT, it will be amazing. Just be patient.
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Post by spagett on Feb 16, 2019 20:08:20 GMT -5
You can often tell when things are going well for WWE because Vince seems to take that opportunity to launch some stupid doomed to fail vanity project.
Anything like that scheduled to happen?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 16, 2019 20:38:15 GMT -5
Despite the fact that I haven't watched in a long time, they're making money hand over fist, it makes literally no sense business wise to sell.. Plus, they're a publicly traded company now, it's not that simple for them to do even as majority stakeholders. They haven't had the sole say in 20 years now
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 16, 2019 20:40:35 GMT -5
You can often tell when things are going well for WWE because Vince seems to take that opportunity to launch some stupid doomed to fail vanity project. Anything like that scheduled to happen? XFL 2: Fail Harder
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 16, 2019 20:57:04 GMT -5
The Last Jedi made 1.3 billion dollars worldwide and while it was highly divisive, it did absolutely find its audience and good reception from that audience. Episode Nine will break a billion this year too. Disney has also been putting out multiple billion-dollar movies a year and the majority of them find great reception, so I'm really not sure what you're on about. Straws, they are being grasped at this point Really not sure if this is a response to my post or a comment on the conversation on the whole.
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