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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Feb 17, 2019 15:53:34 GMT -5
You know one time I actually brought up this topic to Vince himself, and seeing as all recording devices were prohibited from the meeting here is a reenactment of Vince's reply :
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 15:56:37 GMT -5
Look at his posting history, heck even look at the threads he’s created. Anti-WWE, everything is terrible, hope Vince goes out of business, blah blah. AEW is gonna kill the WWE. It’s bait, low level stuff that get laughed out of Squared Circle. Why should I or anybody else take this guy’s post seriously? Why not just take the piss out of these types? There can be some really good discussions in this section but these threads that pop up are just bait. Don’t take the bait. I'm not even sure who you're talking about or to anymore here but who is making these threads? I'm not, Jokaine sure as hell isn't. Jokaine seems to have never made a thread, my last threads were two minor gripes and a couple news threads. Assuming you are talking about me--in the third person for some reason--in my recent posting history I've been arguing in favour of the decision to put Charlotte into the Mania title match and have had tempered hopes for AEW that acknowledge they're already establishing themselves as big players. Saying "Don't take someone seriously, just blatantly take the piss out of them and don't bother having a conversation" about looking at different statistics from the same financial report as measures of different success is contributing infinitely less to any discussion than either of the people actually talking are. Or are you confused because there's like four or five different users rocking the kid Kushida avatar and all of their posts are getting collated into one incoherent blob of opinion? I'm so baffled right now by the words being put into someone's mouth and I'm still not even clear on whose mouth it is. The guy who started this thread, his threads are like this, his posts are like this.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 17, 2019 15:59:42 GMT -5
Only way WWE will be in trouble is if their deals all die at once. Vince is a shrewd business man and has set WWE up to succeed through slumps of the product being crap. Regardless of if one or more aspects dip, there's something else to pull up the slack and keep the revenue healthy. There's too many streams that run into WWE's financial river to worry too much. Yes, they can all dry up, but that doesn't seem likely to all happen at once. My other theory would be if Triple H gets pissed off and pulls a Misawa, leaving with ninety percent of the main card to start his own company. Or if somehow it gets leaked if Vince actually bribed the cops so they would let Snuka walk out. I'd say that'd never happen but yeah, freaking NOAH happened so there's a (very) slim possibility of history repeating itself.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 17, 2019 16:00:51 GMT -5
I'm not even sure who you're talking about or to anymore here but who is making these threads? I'm not, Jokaine sure as hell isn't. Jokaine seems to have never made a thread, my last threads were two minor gripes and a couple news threads. Assuming you are talking about me--in the third person for some reason--in my recent posting history I've been arguing in favour of the decision to put Charlotte into the Mania title match and have had tempered hopes for AEW that acknowledge they're already establishing themselves as big players. Saying "Don't take someone seriously, just blatantly take the piss out of them and don't bother having a conversation" about looking at different statistics from the same financial report as measures of different success is contributing infinitely less to any discussion than either of the people actually talking are. Or are you confused because there's like four or five different users rocking the kid Kushida avatar and all of their posts are getting collated into one incoherent blob of opinion? I'm so baffled right now by the words being put into someone's mouth and I'm still not even clear on whose mouth it is. The guy who started this thread, his threads are like this, his posts are like this. Oh, okay, my bad. That wasn't really clear, just because of how the quoting went. But still, he's not posting anything so ludicrous that it's not worth talking about, at least in terms of people shifting away from his "they need to sell the company" and into a broader portrait of what their decisions are doing and how those metrics are going to last. I've seen a lot of people on this board post incoherent weirdo bullshit in every thread, I don't think prichardmark is so far gone that his ideas aren't worth exploring and talking out, especially once the initial wave of "Okay well the OP is a bit out there but let's talk out the broader scope of this" has passed.
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Post by Jokaine on Feb 17, 2019 16:01:00 GMT -5
Look at his posting history, heck even look at the threads he’s created. Anti-WWE, everything is terrible, hope Vince goes out of business, blah blah. AEW is gonna kill the WWE. It’s bait, low level stuff that get laughed out of Squared Circle. Why should I or anybody else take this guy’s post seriously? Why not just take the piss out of these types? There can be some really good discussions in this section but these threads that pop up are just bait. Don’t take the bait. I'm not even sure who you're talking about or to anymore here but who is making these threads? I'm not, Jokaine sure as hell isn't. Jokaine seems to have never made a thread, my last threads were two minor gripes and a couple news threads. Assuming you are talking about me--in the third person for some reason--in my recent posting history I've been arguing in favour of the decision to put Charlotte into the Mania title match and have had tempered hopes for AEW that acknowledge they're already establishing themselves as big players. Saying "Don't take someone seriously, just blatantly take the piss out of them and don't bother having a conversation" about looking at different statistics from the same financial report as measures of different success is contributing infinitely less to any discussion than either of the people actually talking are. Or are you confused because there's like four or five different users rocking the kid Kushida avatar and all of their posts are getting collated into one incoherent blob of opinion? I'm so baffled right now by the words being put into someone's mouth and I'm still not even clear on whose mouth it is. I think he's referencing Prichardmark. I read over his post then went and looked at the OP's posting history, which seems to be nothing but WWE sucks, I hope it goes out of business and the women are killing the product. Basically, about a quarter-step away from the YouTubers who go on about bra and pantry matches and everything has sucked since the Attitude Era. By the way, I apologize for the stomp and yell comment earlier. It was pretty shitty to begin with, but it wasn't meant to be personally directed at you. I meant fans in plural, as I see so many people who talk about ratings with no context. I cannot stand that sort of thing. Based on your topics in this thread alone I can tell you like to peel back the onion when discussing stuff, so I hope no offense was taken.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:06:43 GMT -5
Jokaine and Final Countdown Jones - I appreciated the discussion. Some interesting stuff presented from both of you. These next five or so years will be very interesting.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 17, 2019 16:24:30 GMT -5
I'm not even sure who you're talking about or to anymore here but who is making these threads? I'm not, Jokaine sure as hell isn't. Jokaine seems to have never made a thread, my last threads were two minor gripes and a couple news threads. Assuming you are talking about me--in the third person for some reason--in my recent posting history I've been arguing in favour of the decision to put Charlotte into the Mania title match and have had tempered hopes for AEW that acknowledge they're already establishing themselves as big players. Saying "Don't take someone seriously, just blatantly take the piss out of them and don't bother having a conversation" about looking at different statistics from the same financial report as measures of different success is contributing infinitely less to any discussion than either of the people actually talking are. Or are you confused because there's like four or five different users rocking the kid Kushida avatar and all of their posts are getting collated into one incoherent blob of opinion? I'm so baffled right now by the words being put into someone's mouth and I'm still not even clear on whose mouth it is. I think he's referencing Prichardmark. I read over his post then went and looked at the OP's posting history, which seems to be nothing but WWE sucks, I hope it goes out of business and the women are killing the product. Basically, about a quarter-step away from the YouTubers who go on about bra and pantry matches and everything has sucked since the Attitude Era. By the way, I apologize for the stomp and yell comment earlier. It was pretty shitty to begin with, but it wasn't meant to be personally directed at you. I meant fans in plural, as I see so many people who talk about ratings with no context. I cannot stand that sort of anything. Based on your topics in this thread alone I can tell you like to peel back the onion when discussing stuff, so I hope no offense was taken. Yeah, I got that now. The quote chains made it a bit unclear. And alright, it's cool on said stomping comment, but I do think people undervalue the ratings in response to how much they're looked at. The Neilsen system is flawed, but it's still what the television industry lives and dies by. A lot of their external value comes from those numbers. Only way WWE will be in trouble is if their deals all die at once. Vince is a shrewd business man and has set WWE up to succeed through slumps of the product being crap. Regardless of if one or more aspects dip, there's something else to pull up the slack and keep the revenue healthy. There's too many streams that run into WWE's financial river to worry too much. Yes, they can all dry up, but that doesn't seem likely to all happen at once. Oh yeah, my expectation isn't that everthing crashes, it's just that certain streams start to become issues, and that more expectedly, when the growth stops, investors will walk and the stock goes back to where it was a few years ago. The idea of WWE's stock being super high was brought up, and well before they see any ruinous crash, I just see this boom of wall street interest receding when the shine comes off. Even decreases in ratings, attendance, and merch sales are unsustainable. At some point, you will hit zero. Oh yeah, these numbers can't persist time and again through to the end, but the decreases have held pretty consistently, and where to do they level out? Does running shows became an unsustainable moneysink and they have to downscale to smaller venues? Do ratings level out at two million? One point five million? There's always going to be fans of WWE, but the bigger issue for me is the question of where the fall stops and what the company looks like at the place where the numbers level off. The trends have held strong for enough years to be an issue; half a million-ish viewers leave, attendance goes down about 7-10%. There's a consistency to the trend.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 17, 2019 17:06:57 GMT -5
Best case scenario, there is a system in place that helps guide the company for the next fifty years.
Worst case scenario, a brutal civil war between Shane and Stephanie once Vince croaks. Similar to what happened once Jim Crockett Sr died.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Feb 17, 2019 17:52:18 GMT -5
Honestly, it has just never been less entertaining. They care SO much about keeping to their process that they have lost track of what the end goal is. It's just not that fun to watch anymore.
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