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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:28:25 GMT -5
its meaningless If he loses again. Only so many times you can go " close but didn't quite make it" Not really. There's been many favorites like Bryan and Becky who keep losing and keep getting hit with roadblocks and yet the fan support grows. It'll only be the second time Kofi's lost, that's not many at all. |
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 19, 2019 13:32:00 GMT -5
its meaningless If he loses again. Only so many times you can go " close but didn't quite make it" Not really. There's been many favorites like Bryan and Becky who keep losing and keep getting hit with roadblocks and yet the fan support grows. It'll only be the second time Kofi's lost, that's not many at all. It'll work if Bryan cheats to win. But if he wins clean, even in a fluky submission or pinfall, I think we'll know the WWE have no intention of doing Bryan vs Kofi at Wrestlemania. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:42:16 GMT -5
Not really. There's been many favorites like Bryan and Becky who keep losing and keep getting hit with roadblocks and yet the fan support grows. It'll only be the second time Kofi's lost, that's not many at all. It'll work if Bryan cheats to win. But if he wins clean, even in a fluky submission or pinfall, I think we'll know the WWE have no intention of doing Bryan vs Kofi at Wrestlemania. I'm not speaking on if the company's intentions because their intentions before Monday afternoon were to not push Kofi in this spot but given the response and performance they've changed. It'll all depend on fan response because even if Kofi loses clean if the fans are louder than ever and they see they've got something they can easily do another match. In this case we're seeing the company adapt with what they've got with Kofi and they're riding through right now so that's more positive than negative given a week ago we weren't even here. |
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Post by Dub H on Feb 19, 2019 13:42:19 GMT -5
its meaningless If he loses again. Only so many times you can go " close but didn't quite make it" Not really. There's been many favorites like Bryan and Becky who keep losing and keep getting hit with roadblocks and yet the fan support grows. It'll only be the second time Kofi's lost, that's not many at all. In the end they won. In fact both had ALREADY won at one point.and that number changes by person. Braun never won it and cooled off besides " getting close" many times. Becky could easily cooled off if she had failed Their stories weren't " will they finally make it?" Kofi can't keep losing and getting close ,eventually people won't care |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:48:03 GMT -5
Not really. There's been many favorites like Bryan and Becky who keep losing and keep getting hit with roadblocks and yet the fan support grows. It'll only be the second time Kofi's lost, that's not many at all. In the end they won. In fact both had ALREADY won at one point.and that number changes by person. Braun never won it and cooled off besides " getting close" many times. Becky could easily cooled off if she had failed Their stories weren't " will they finally make it?" Kofi can't keep losing and getting close ,eventually people won't care Braun's a bad example because he was challenging for the title in a period where you had other guys just as capable as him and the fact that Reigns was still there, I can get why Braun didn't win and mind you I'm not even factoring in the backstage negativity reports that have come out about him. Kofi's a different case because up until last week they didn't have any idea for Bryan's opponent, they came up with one, this Kofi thing took off and now they're adapting. The title's more open for a Kofi win here let alone the guy's more reliable, does what's needed to be done and he's proven he can get the job done with not only fans but those backstage. It's just different.
Bryan having won the title and Becky having won the title prior didn't matter to the fans because they like who they like in turn which is why they still loved them which is what kept them popular. The same will happen to Kofi here even if he lost clean because, as I said, it's only the second loss in this arc for him. It's not the 6th or the 7th, it's just second and the fans know that.
Fans aren't stupid and the company is at least adapting here. We all know that if Kofi loses at FastLane that's only going to give him more support since he didn't win and this entire story's about the veteran who hasn't won yet. That's the point of the story. That'll just be his second loss.
If you think the fans will stop caring about Kofi after his second loss, even if it's clean, then I don't think you understand the fans. They'll only care when it's far more losses for him.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 19, 2019 13:49:33 GMT -5
In the end they won. In fact both had ALREADY won at one point.and that number changes by person. Braun never won it and cooled off besides " getting close" many times. Braun's a bad example because he was challenging for the title in a period where you had other guys just as capable as him and the fact that Reigns was still there, I can get why Braun didn't win and mind you I'm not even factoring in the backstage negativity reports that have come out about him. Kofi's a different case because up until last week they didn't have any idea for Bryan's opponent, they came up with one, this Kofi thing took off and now they're adapting. The title's more open for a Kofi win here let alone the guy's more reliable, does what's needed to be done and he's proven he can get the job done with not only fans but those backstage. It's just different.
Bryan having won the title and Becky having won the title prior didn't matter to the fans because they like who they like in turn which is why they still loved them which is what kept them popular. The same will happen to Kofi here even if he lost clean because, as I said, it's only the second loss in this arc for him. It's not the 6th or the 7th, it's just second and the fans know that.
Fans aren't stupid and the company is at least adapting here. We all know that if Kofi loses at FastLane that's only going to give him more support since he didn't win and this entire story's about the veteran who hasn't won yet. That's the point of the story.
it matters because they proved they can make it big given the shot. it was vital to both of their stories of being held down besides proving they are great. You can't have Kofi lose ,it proves he CANT get the job done. Eventually people won't care he is facing for the title because he just loses. Happened with Braun , Ryback,Joe, Nakamura and more |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 19, 2019 13:52:38 GMT -5
Kofi loses at Fastlane due to Rowan
Goes to WM on a rematch and wins
Wouldn't be a bad little story even if his title victory is cut short quickly
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:02:20 GMT -5
Braun's a bad example because he was challenging for the title in a period where you had other guys just as capable as him and the fact that Reigns was still there, I can get why Braun didn't win and mind you I'm not even factoring in the backstage negativity reports that have come out about him. Kofi's a different case because up until last week they didn't have any idea for Bryan's opponent, they came up with one, this Kofi thing took off and now they're adapting. The title's more open for a Kofi win here let alone the guy's more reliable, does what's needed to be done and he's proven he can get the job done with not only fans but those backstage. It's just different.
Bryan having won the title and Becky having won the title prior didn't matter to the fans because they like who they like in turn which is why they still loved them which is what kept them popular. The same will happen to Kofi here even if he lost clean because, as I said, it's only the second loss in this arc for him. It's not the 6th or the 7th, it's just second and the fans know that.
Fans aren't stupid and the company is at least adapting here. We all know that if Kofi loses at FastLane that's only going to give him more support since he didn't win and this entire story's about the veteran who hasn't won yet. That's the point of the story.
it matters because they proved they can make it big given the shot. it was vital to both of their stories of being held down besides proving they are great.
You can't have Kofi lose ,it proves he CANT get the job done. Eventually people won't care he is facing for the title because he just loses.Happened with Braun , Ryback,Joe, Nakamura and more It doesn't matter in this case given fans aren't looking at if Kofi "can get it done" because from a storyline standpoint he's beaten Bryan already, we know who Kofi is and they're already so into the story that when you bring up the fact he hasn't won the title in the past they won't think "ok, that means he won't win."
What I've bolded is what I'm talking about.
Strowman lost 6 Universal Title shots before people stopped caring (and he took extra lumps).
Ryback lost 4 Universal Title shots before people stopped caring (and he took extra lumps).
Nakamura lost 6 WWE Title shots before people stopped caring.
Joe lost 6 WWE Title shots before people stopped caring.
We're talking about FastLane here. Hypothetically say Kofi loses clean to Bryan. That'll be his second loss.
You honestly think that'll make people not care? It's only his second loss. There's a huge difference between that compared to the previous. The fans will absolutely still care if not care more given they're still invested.
We're speaking on FastLane and WM. Kofi losing will not, I can't stress this enough, will not put him in the same bracket as those previously. It's ludicrous to suggest that.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Feb 19, 2019 14:06:10 GMT -5
Kofi loses at Fastlane due to Rowan Goes to WM on a rematch and wins Wouldn't be a bad little story even if his title victory is cut short quickly Just what I was coming to say. Lose due to Rowan at Fastlane and then at WM he tries to interfere again but New Day run out and stop him and Kofi wins. |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 19, 2019 14:12:19 GMT -5
If WWE cared about the next step in the Bellalution then Asuka vs Nikkisawa would happen
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Post by Dub H on Feb 19, 2019 14:22:33 GMT -5
it matters because they proved they can make it big given the shot. it was vital to both of their stories of being held down besides proving they are great.
You can't have Kofi lose ,it proves he CANT get the job done. Eventually people won't care he is facing for the title because he just loses.Happened with Braun , Ryback,Joe, Nakamura and more It doesn't matter in this case given fans aren't looking at if Kofi "can get it done" because from a storyline standpoint he's beaten Bryan already, we know who Kofi is and they're already so into the story that when you bring up the fact he hasn't won the title in the past they won't think "ok, that means he won't win."
What I've bolded is what I'm talking about. Strowman lost 6 Universal Title shots before people stopped caring (and he took extra lumps).
Ryback lost 4 Universal Title shots before people stopped caring (and he took extra lumps).
Nakamura lost 6 WWE Title shots before people stopped caring.
Joe lost 6 WWE Title shots before people stopped caring.
We're talking about FastLane here. Hypothetically say Kofi loses clean to Bryan. That'll be his second loss.
You honestly think that'll make people not care? It's only his second loss. There's a huge difference between that compared to the previous. The fans will absolutely still care if not care more given they're still invested.
We're speaking on FastLane and WM. Kofi losing will not, I can't stress this enough, will not put him in the same bracket as those previously. It's ludicrous to suggest that.
I didn't say anything about kori losing at fastlane and afterwards winning.g. I said WWE has to commit they need to have in win not just have him lose closely |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 19, 2019 14:22:56 GMT -5
If WWE cared about the next step in the Bellalution then Asuka vs Nikkisawa would happen I'd like it... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:25:29 GMT -5
If WWE cared about the next step in the Bellalution then Asuka vs Nikkisawa would happen I'd like it... Forreal! That little interaction at last years Rumble was some good shit and made me want to see an actual match between the two. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:32:05 GMT -5
It doesn't matter in this case given fans aren't looking at if Kofi "can get it done" because from a storyline standpoint he's beaten Bryan already, we know who Kofi is and they're already so into the story that when you bring up the fact he hasn't won the title in the past they won't think "ok, that means he won't win."
What I've bolded is what I'm talking about. Strowman lost 6 Universal Title shots before people stopped caring (and he took extra lumps).
Ryback lost 4 Universal Title shots before people stopped caring (and he took extra lumps).
Nakamura lost 6 WWE Title shots before people stopped caring.
Joe lost 6 WWE Title shots before people stopped caring.
We're talking about FastLane here. Hypothetically say Kofi loses clean to Bryan. That'll be his second loss.
You honestly think that'll make people not care? It's only his second loss. There's a huge difference between that compared to the previous. The fans will absolutely still care if not care more given they're still invested.
We're speaking on FastLane and WM. Kofi losing will not, I can't stress this enough, will not put him in the same bracket as those previously. It's ludicrous to suggest that.
I didn't say anything about kori losing at fastlane and afterwards winning.g. I said WWE has to commit they need to have in win not just have him lose closely But you just said "its meaningless If he loses again" and we're speaking about the next time they're facing each other. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 19, 2019 14:32:36 GMT -5
This feels like a Dean Ambrose 2016 deal to me. As in the guy gets a lame duck title shot on the show before WM, comes up barely short, then later wins MITB. It wouldn't shock me if they did that with Kofi. As far as Fast Lane goes, I think that's where Harper comes back to join Bryan.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 19, 2019 14:40:53 GMT -5
I didn't say anything about kori losing at fastlane and afterwards winning.g. I said WWE has to commit they need to have in win not just have him lose closely But you just said "its meaningless If he loses again" and we're speaking about the next time they're facing each other. bad on my part I meant If he loses again and leave it at that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:41:40 GMT -5
What a weird business. In real time, have people goin: "Yes! We like this! Please do this!" And go: "Nah." Where have you been? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:45:47 GMT -5
But you just said "its meaningless If he loses again" and we're speaking about the next time they're facing each other. bad on my part I meant If he loses again and leave it at that. It's all good man nice discussion. GO KOFI!!! |
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 19, 2019 14:51:47 GMT -5
Even if Kofi loses at least it plants the idea in the writers and the fans mind that hey Kofi could be in the main event picture. That is useful information if they choose to push Kofi down the line.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 19, 2019 14:54:22 GMT -5
I get this vibe that WWE prints like the shirts and programs for Wrestlemania early or something and it makes them incredibly gunshy to even remotely change plans.
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