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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 7, 2019 14:50:46 GMT -5
Absolutely not having this. I'm not sure what more Daniels could have done. He would never have been a top tier guy in WWE due to his size. I think the career he's had is a testament to his excellence. SCU! Is he significantly different in size to AJ/Bryan/Punk? Yes. Daniels is a little too lanky as compared to AJ who is jacked, DB at points was jacked and Punk while not jacked does have a unique look
Daniels would/could been a midcard champ in WWE and should been a world champ in Impact but that doesn't constitute as wasted potential on his part
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 7, 2019 15:40:50 GMT -5
Christopher Daniels but only because of bad luck. Mechanically wise, he’s better than the Hardys or Edge or other members of his generation but he will never get his due. Absolutely not having this. I'm not sure what more Daniels could have done. He would never have been a top tier guy in WWE due to his size. I think the career he's had is a testament to his excellence. SCU! He deserved way more and should be a millionaire.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 7, 2019 15:41:46 GMT -5
Is he significantly different in size to AJ/Bryan/Punk? Yes. Daniels is a little too lanky as compared to AJ who is jacked, DB at points was jacked and Punk while not jacked does have a unique look
Daniels would/could been a midcard champ in WWE and should been a world champ in Impact but that doesn't constitute as wasted potential on his part
He’s bigger than AJ and Bryan, almost as tall as Punk too.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 7, 2019 15:44:30 GMT -5
Yes. Daniels is a little too lanky as compared to AJ who is jacked, DB at points was jacked and Punk while not jacked does have a unique look
Daniels would/could been a midcard champ in WWE and should been a world champ in Impact but that doesn't constitute as wasted potential on his part
He’s bigger than AJ and Bryan, almost as tall as Punk too. Talking weight wise not height
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 7, 2019 15:49:17 GMT -5
My default answer is always Jeff Hardy. Yeah he's had a pretty decorated career, but there was a point where he felt like he could reach at the very least Cena level. People forget how over he was.
Although I guess there's a bit of Jake Roberts there as the drugs likely gave him his charisma.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 7, 2019 16:12:41 GMT -5
He’s bigger than AJ and Bryan, almost as tall as Punk too. Talking weight wise not height I think he’s heavier than the first two and about the same size as Punk. Daniels was twenty years too soon. I wonder if he could be considered like Billy Graham, you know except the lying and the steroids.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 7, 2019 17:19:08 GMT -5
Teddy Hart, good look, good pedigree, the WWE wanted him dp bad they signed him as a teen, then again as am adult with plans to build a faction around him, and he blew it be being a lunatic, who was never at fault for anything he did. He's very much in in the mold of his uncle Bruce, when in doubt, blame Bret for your being a douche nobody wants to work with. Juventud Guerrera is also worth a vote, great wrestler, handsome, charismatic even with minimal English language skills. He could have been up there with Rey Misterio Jr, Eddie and Jericho going into the 2000s, instead it's PCP, naked fights with the police, the Mexicools and other lunacy. I saw someone post on reddit a while back that Teddy's problem is he's always been really good, but he KNOWS he's really good and acts like that's all he needs.
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Post by Guacamole Anderson on Mar 7, 2019 17:56:25 GMT -5
Kerry Von Erich. His look alone could've had him playing at a much higher level. But demons. Maybe. He had a great look, presence and decent in the ring, but I always thought he stalled in front of the mic. That didn't bode well for him in the era of big personalities that he came up in. Among people like Hogan, Flair, Sting, Rude, Hennig... I don't see Kerry being top drawer talent. I think he was just right at the I-C/US title level. Hard to say because "stalled in front of the mic" may have very well been synonymous with "in no condition to work" and there's really no way of knowing what percentage of the time he was messed up. Pretty much impossible to tell what a 100% clean and sober Kerry could've been capable of.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 7, 2019 18:45:25 GMT -5
Teddy Hart, good look, good pedigree, the WWE wanted him dp bad they signed him as a teen, then again as am adult with plans to build a faction around him, and he blew it be being a lunatic, who was never at fault for anything he did. He's very much in in the mold of his uncle Bruce, when in doubt, blame Bret for your being a douche nobody wants to work with. Juventud Guerrera is also worth a vote, great wrestler, handsome, charismatic even with minimal English language skills. He could have been up there with Rey Misterio Jr, Eddie and Jericho going into the 2000s, instead it's PCP, naked fights with the police, the Mexicools and other lunacy. I saw someone post on reddit a while back that Teddy's problem is he's always been really good, but he KNOWS he's really good and acts like that's all he needs. Nothing worse than a hot chick who knows she's hot. There's no humility, there's no way to talk to them.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 7, 2019 19:04:13 GMT -5
I truly, truly believe that in some alternate universe where Low-Ki isn't an asshole, he's main-evented Wrestlemania in an absolute classic against Daniel Bryan. Low-Ki is a highly influential part of a generation he will never able to receive credit for because his career is one of admantly taking his own legacy over and over for everyone who can get to him. With so many guys you can track a career path even if they were in different companies at different times. Low Ki had trashed all of that by refusing to let one place build him up because he keeps moving around and f***ing off. It's a squandering of his talent, but he deserves all the scorn that overshadows what he was capable of, because he's f***ed over enough people by now that it's just an unavoidable topic with him.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 7, 2019 20:47:40 GMT -5
Teddy Hart, good look, good pedigree, the WWE wanted him dp bad they signed him as a teen, then again as am adult with plans to build a faction around him, and he blew it be being a lunatic, who was never at fault for anything he did. He's very much in in the mold of his uncle Bruce, when in doubt, blame Bret for your being a douche nobody wants to work with. Juventud Guerrera is also worth a vote, great wrestler, handsome, charismatic even with minimal English language skills. He could have been up there with Rey Misterio Jr, Eddie and Jericho going into the 2000s, instead it's PCP, naked fights with the police, the Mexicools and other lunacy. I saw someone post on reddit a while back that Teddy's problem is he's always been really good, but he KNOWS he's really good and acts like that's all he needs. That and crack.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 7, 2019 20:50:30 GMT -5
I truly, truly believe that in some alternate universe where Low-Ki isn't an asshole, he's main-evented Wrestlemania in an absolute classic against Daniel Bryan. Low-Ki is a highly influential part of a generation he will never able to receive credit for because his career is one of admantly taking his own legacy over and over for everyone who can get to him. With so many guys you can track a career path even if they were in different companies at different times. Low Ki had trashed all of that by refusing to let one place build him up because he keeps moving around and f***ing off. It's a squandering of his talent, but he deserves all the scorn that overshadows what he was capable of, because he's f***ed over enough people by now that it's just an unavoidable topic with him. Low Ki is the Sabu of his generation, but did stuff that are still used today and influenced countless workers. Unfortunately because of themselves praise is all they’ll get. Without Ki wrestling would look different, and he lost mountains of money because of his stupidity.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 7, 2019 20:56:43 GMT -5
Big Cass.
Size? Check. Young? Check. Photogenic? Check. Same political positions as your boss? Check. Having the first program of the returning most popular star in the company? Check.
Now he’ll be known as nothing more than a bust.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 7, 2019 21:08:42 GMT -5
2 Cold Scorpio. Dude was way ahead of his time, basically the Ricochet of his time but drugs got in the way.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 7, 2019 21:08:55 GMT -5
Low-Ki is a highly influential part of a generation he will never able to receive credit for because his career is one of admantly taking his own legacy over and over for everyone who can get to him. With so many guys you can track a career path even if they were in different companies at different times. Low Ki had trashed all of that by refusing to let one place build him up because he keeps moving around and f***ing off. It's a squandering of his talent, but he deserves all the scorn that overshadows what he was capable of, because he's f***ed over enough people by now that it's just an unavoidable topic with him. Low Ki is the Sabu of his generation, but did stuff that are still used today and influenced countless workers. Unfortunately because of themselves praise is all they’ll get. Without Ki wrestling would look different, and he lost mountains of money because of his stupidity. I think it's more complicated than that; Sabu innovated a lot, but his bigger issues were not knowing how to scale it back and not having a lot outside of what he had to offer, which has led him to keep going while supremely broken down. He's more a case of someone who wrestling has left behind and a cautionary tale about the style he himself helped bring to the forefront. Sabu was never going to be a WWE lifer and once the style he was most famous for lost its mainstream foothold in America the writing was on the wall. Low Ki's is an issue more of attitude; there's nothing that should have held him back short of his own destructive shittiness.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 7, 2019 21:33:39 GMT -5
Low Ki is the Sabu of his generation, but did stuff that are still used today and influenced countless workers. Unfortunately because of themselves praise is all they’ll get. Without Ki wrestling would look different, and he lost mountains of money because of his stupidity. I think it's more complicated than that; Sabu innovated a lot, but his bigger issues were not knowing how to scale it back and not having a lot outside of what he had to offer, which has led him to keep going while supremely broken down. He's more a case of someone who wrestling has left behind and a cautionary tale about the style he himself helped bring to the forefront. Sabu was never going to be a WWE lifer and once the style he was most famous for lost its mainstream foothold in America the writing was on the wall. Low Ki's is an issue more of attitude; there's nothing that should have held him back short of his own destructive shittiness. It’s more with attitude with Sabu than the style and the injuries of why he’s in shit financial shape. Sabu in the decade of the nineties, was offered contracts and opportunities with every major company in the states and Japan. WCW wanted him but during a match against Jerry Lynn, The Sheik was managing Sabu and just because, he threw a fireball without it being written on the match, Sabu was asked to please don’t let it happen again and instead just no showed the next bookings and joined ecw. In the wwf, the head of hiring, JJ Dillon who also was a close friend of the Sheik, told him that they wanted to take a look at Sabu but Sheik told them to f*** off when Sabu would have to put someone over. Then in New Japan I think he also burned that bridge by no showing bookings. Raven put it best, that while Sabu was the future, his mentality was stuck in the past, the bullshit way of his uncle of doing the business of not doing jobs and f***ing over promoters.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 7, 2019 21:47:44 GMT -5
It's tough to say if she really screwed up her career, but Yoshiko's career will always have a major black eye, and there will be opportunities she will never get. As joshi wrestlers are getting more bookings in the U.S. and Europe, she will probably be shut-out of it. Still, she still gets booked by many of the promotions in Japan and is relatively protected in bookings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:57:07 GMT -5
OG Sin Cara. From the biggest star in Mexico to a botch machine that wouldn’t bother to try to learn English, was wellness’d and eventually just gave up.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 7, 2019 21:59:34 GMT -5
OG Sin Cara. From the biggest star in Mexico to a botch machine that wouldn’t bother to try to learn English, was wellness’d and eventually just gave up. And got stomped out by Del Rio in the ring because he dislocated his finger during his entrance
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Post by markymark on Mar 7, 2019 22:00:04 GMT -5
Ken Anderson, the man was a great heel in the beginning of his TNA career and when he was in Aces and 8s, but his babyface runs damaged his character.
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