Kevin Owens is not a main eventer

[Hickster]

I'm a huge fan of KO, and while he looks like he belongs in a Kevin Smith movie he's alright by me.

[Fauxnaki]

Mar 6, 2019 22:14:14 GMT -5 @kn said:

I really thought that we had gone away from body shaming these wrestlers but alas I was wrong. People really tried to get on Nia for her body but they covered it up by "she's a shitty worker and can't talk" but now we have a guy who's an amazing worker who can talk and he's getting shamed too?

Come on now.

Its a business of looks. I'm actually a nia defender but that's besides the point. You can be fat but still look like a star, rikishi, yokozuna, Vader, the big show. Owens looks like a regular husky dude, if I was watching with casual fans and they saw Owens most guys who hit the gym pretty regularly would think they could take him

[Magnus the Magnificent]

Mar 6, 2019 8:27:34 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Kevin Owen's draws plenty of people.

Yeah!
Cause he's got his own gravitational pull!
Cause he's fat! Hurr-hurr-hurr-di-durr!









Kevin Owens is awesome.

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I actually think Owens has a pretty great look. He does a good job straddling the line between looking like an everyman while looking very distinct.

[Allie Kitsune]

I wasn't really a huge fan of the "Snarky Jerk Bully" persona, but I'm willing to see what he could do with something else.

But I do agree that he could use some better gear (Although honestly, I don't have anything in particular in mind. It's just that the T-shirt and basketball shorts feel a little too "High School Gym Class".).

[Talent Name]

Mar 6, 2019 14:14:36 GMT -5 @robertgbp said:

Owens is a degen

I thought it said Owens is a dragon

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Mar 7, 2019 5:52:45 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

Mar 6, 2019 22:14:14 GMT -5 @kn said:

I really thought that we had gone away from body shaming these wrestlers but alas I was wrong. People really tried to get on Nia for her body but they covered it up by "she's a shitty worker and can't talk" but now we have a guy who's an amazing worker who can talk and he's getting shamed too?

Come on now.

Its a business of looks. I'm actually a nia defender but that's besides the point. You can be fat but still look like a star, rikishi, yokozuna, Vader, the big show. Owens looks like a regular husky dude, if I was watching with casual fans and they saw Owens most guys who hit the gym pretty regularly would think they could take him

So wait, you mean to tell me that you're actually looking at these wrestlers and going "ok I can beat him" and "ok I can't" when they walk on screen judging appearance? How many fights have you been in? I can't tell you the amount of times I've seen someone like Owens win a fight let alone these guys couldn't do what he can do. Just because someone is built doesn't mean that they can beat someone in a fight.

That mindset is actually some Vince McMahon shit.

You can think he doesn't look like a star all you want but that "well he looks like he can get beat up" thing is completely outdated. Shit, my neighbor looks like Owens and he beat up this bodybuilder a few years ago easily.

[Yacht Persona]

I've always liked Owens' look--he reminds me of guys like Foley, Bam Bam, Vader, Earthquake, etc.; overweight guys that can pummel anyone.

[Tea & Crumpets]

I like a mix of larger than life and relateable, because I find wrestling tends to be best when the wrestlers are the guy you want to be like, not the guy you ARE like. It's probably part of why I'm not a huge fan of NJPW darling ZSJ, because much like him I'm a skinny-ass mofo.

The vast majority of people in this thread are not knocking Owens purely because he's a bit overweight, so I wish that fat-shaming narrative would die. As referenced above, Bray and Foley are fat but carried themselves great. Nia Jax I think looks like a killer and a star- she's sloppy in the ring and her matches aren't great but I think her look is terrific. Owens has the exact problem current Kassius Ohno has, in that the way he dresses and carries himself doesn't make him seem like a star, it just makes him seem like a shlub EVEN IF he's very athletic. He doesn't FEEL athletic, or intimidating, or a badass, because his gear and aura do not combine well with his body type. But while I still think all Ohno needs is a Quake/Vader singlet, with Owens I think if he lost weight or swapped gear he'd just look small and unimpressive. And even when he was in a singlet way back when he felt to me like a very indy midcarder, a Bull Dempsey. Just like some guys have that intangible 'It' Factor, Kevin Owens is a guy who for me has something intangible desperately missing. He's not the badass destroyer of worlds, he's not the guy in the bar who can kick your ass, he's not the agile big man, he's just a ten-a-penny everyman who I can't see above the middle of the pack and it really frustrates me as I WANT to be a fan of him. But he was the overshadowed sidekick in a team with comedy-act Chris Jericho when Owens had the title, and that's a problem.

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It's all about presentation. I loved Owens in ROH because he was a misfit, and his gimmick in NXT where he was desperate for quick money for his family was great. I didn't like his debut on the main roster because he was built up as this amazing wrestler that even John Cena can't beat, and his look just didn't support that, there was no grit to his performance or anything.

Then his Universal title reign was the worst, that stretch where he wore that Monday Night Raw parody shirt was so bad, I really like Owens but purely on aesthetics he had the worst look of any top champion I can remember, just looked way too civilian for the scope of what he was supposed to be.

I'm actually looking forward to this face run because I think it's the best presentation he's had on the main roster that feels like the right fit for him. I see this as his best shot at being a main eventer and looking the part.

[TGM]

I know Owens is good but for some reason he's never clicked for me.

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I'm not body shaming Owens when I say that he looks like a potato. I like potatoes and I think it's a perfectly viable body shape/look, but his head also looks like a potato and again, it's perfectly viable. I don't even really care how tough Kevin Owens is, because this is pro rasslin and it's got nothing to do with being a good fighter. My point is simply that Kevin Owens just doesn't jump off the screen for me and say "this guy is a star!", and pro wrestling to me is still about the larger than life characters. Earthquake and Vader were great main eventers and both much fatter than KO, but they were larger than life and jumped off the screen. Owens is like Mo in Men On a Mission and I'm like "get that little fat guy out of the ring so I can see Mabel sit on some guy's face."

[Fauxnaki]

Mar 7, 2019 8:14:44 GMT -5 @kn said:

Mar 7, 2019 5:52:45 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

Its a business of looks. I'm actually a nia defender but that's besides the point. You can be fat but still look like a star, rikishi, yokozuna, Vader, the big show. Owens looks like a regular husky dude, if I was watching with casual fans and they saw Owens most guys who hit the gym pretty regularly would think they could take him

So wait, you mean to tell me that you're actually looking at these wrestlers and going "ok I can beat him" and "ok I can't" when they walk on screen judging appearance? How many fights have you been in? I can't tell you the amount of times I've seen someone like Owens win a fight let alone these guys couldn't do what he can do. Just because someone is built doesn't mean that they can beat someone in a fight.

That mindset is actually some Vince McMahon shit.

You can think he doesn't look like a star all you want but that "well he looks like he can get beat up" thing is completely outdated. Shit, my neighbor looks like Owens and he beat up this bodybuilder a few years ago easily.

Your completely twisting my words in that first paragraph. I never said I thought like that, I believe a pic part of the casual male audience would see Kevin Owens on tv and think "whos this fat dude, I could probably take him, why is He a world champion?". A lot of guys do size each other up a lot and think about that kinda stuff for a board that for the most part believes theres a toxic masculinity problem that a lot of guys out there don't think like that.

Why are you even ask Me how many fights I've been in? Like does this mean if Im Mike Tyson My views are right? but if im glass joe Im completely wrong?

I never said you had to be a body builder to win fights Kevin Owens has nothing about him that looks like hes a good fighter. You dont have to be big to come off as believable. Daniel Bryan is small but his intensity and moves he does in the ring makes people believe he could kick your ass. Its not just even believability with Owens I don't believe he looks like a star at all, Rey Mysterio tiny, not believable, non sense finisher but he had charisma and the star quality to be a huge draw all over the world.

I have been to harsh though I should of said at the start of the thread that I believe Owens is a great asset to WWE He can talk, decent actor, funny and the guy just gets it. I just see midcard to upper midcard as his limit. I'd rather see him in a tag team with someone else funny to play off then say beating Brock Lesner.

[Fauxnaki]

Mar 7, 2019 10:16:18 GMT -5 @oldbaby said:

I'm not body shaming Owens when I say that he looks like a potato. I like potatoes and I think it's a perfectly viable body shape/look, but his head also looks like a potato and again, it's perfectly viable. I don't even really care how tough Kevin Owens is, because this is pro rasslin and it's got nothing to do with being a good fighter. My point is simply that Kevin Owens just doesn't jump off the screen for me and say "this guy is a star!", and pro wrestling to me is still about the larger than life characters. Earthquake and Vader were great main eventers and both much fatter than KO, but they were larger than life and jumped off the screen. Owens is like Mo in Men On a Mission and I'm like "get that little fat guy out of the ring so I can see Mabel sit on some guy's face."

Owens should just get built or get way fatter. Do a Samoa Joe and girth out to you look like one of those cement roadblocks

[Kevin Hamilton]

I will say a singlet or something would be a better presentation. Just something to appear more wrestler-y. Body wise is fine; the gear could be better.

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he looks like Tommy Dreamer's son

[Allie Kitsune]

Mar 7, 2019 8:58:50 GMT -5 Tea & Crumpets said:

I find wrestling tends to be best when the wrestlers are the guy you want to be like, not the guy you ARE like. It's probably part of why I'm not a huge fan of NJPW darling ZSJ, because much like him I'm a skinny-ass mofo.

I actually agree with this. I know this might get me in some HUGE trouble, but I've NEVER been on board with the "I want wrestlers who look and act just like me!" thing.

Ugh, no thanks.

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Mar 7, 2019 10:25:47 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

Mar 7, 2019 8:14:44 GMT -5 @kn said:

So wait, you mean to tell me that you're actually looking at these wrestlers and going "ok I can beat him" and "ok I can't" when they walk on screen judging appearance? How many fights have you been in? I can't tell you the amount of times I've seen someone like Owens win a fight let alone these guys couldn't do what he can do. Just because someone is built doesn't mean that they can beat someone in a fight.

That mindset is actually some Vince McMahon shit.

You can think he doesn't look like a star all you want but that "well he looks like he can get beat up" thing is completely outdated. Shit, my neighbor looks like Owens and he beat up this bodybuilder a few years ago easily.

Your completely twisting my words in that first paragraph. I never said I thought like that, I believe a pic part of the casual male audience would see Kevin Owens on tv and think "whos this fat dude, I could probably take him, why is He a world champion?". A lot of guys do size each other up a lot and think about that kinda stuff for a board that for the most part believes theres a toxic masculinity problem that a lot of guys out there don't think like that.

Why are you even ask Me how many fights I've been in? Like does this mean if Im Mike Tyson My views are right? but if im glass joe Im completely wrong?

I never said you had to be a body builder to win fights Kevin Owens has nothing about him that looks like hes a good fighter. You dont have to be big to come off as believable. Daniel Bryan is small but his intensity and moves he does in the ring makes people believe he could kick your ass. Its not just even believability with Owens I don't believe he looks like a star at all, Rey Mysterio tiny, not believable, non sense finisher but he had charisma and the star quality to be a huge draw all over the world.

I have been to harsh though I should of said at the start of the thread that I believe Owens is a great asset to WWE He can talk, decent actor, funny and the guy just gets it. I just see midcard to upper midcard as his limit. I'd rather see him in a tag team with someone else funny to play off then say beating Brock Lesner.

The thing about Kevin Owens and his character, the thing about real life actually, is that he's a guy who's built like that who can beat guys who are more muscular and athletic than him. That's real life shit. The reason it works is because that's real. Most people have seen someone win a fight against someone who's in better shape than them at least once in life whether said person was smaller, less muscular, we've seen it which makes Owens, doing all he does, look pretty accurate. That whole "guy sizes other guy up" thing you're talking about is something most people grow out of because we see the world doesn't work that way given experience, different fighting styles and straight etc. You saying "a lot of guys do this" when the reality is most of us realize how things are when we grow up doesn't make sense.

All through this thread we've seen people make comments towards Owens and looking as though he can't fight given he looks like a regular guy. In one post of mine, the one you responded to, I said "do yall really think a fat guy can't kick your ass" and you tried to be sarcastic using Butterbean as a response. In the second one you responded to you said "if I was watching with casual fans and they saw Owens most guys who hit the gym pretty regularly would think they could take him" which goes back to the real life fighting aspect. I'm speaking about being in fights because people can tell you that looks don't matter to actual fights. If you're saying "well built guys in the gym would say they could take him" then I have to ask "ok, who's actually been in a fight then" because that sounds like someone who thinks appearance dictates who can actually fight when that is not true. Your views are wrong if you think someone like Owens cannot beat someone up who regularly hits the gym which goes back to my previous posts about Owens looking like the guy at the bar who always wins fights. You were the one to bring up this "well someone said they could take him by his looks" commentary.

There's a difference between him looking like a star to you and you bringing up this "well if someone sizes him up they'd think-" thing you brought up. As someone who's seen a good amount of fights in my life never once did I see Owens and think "wow, this dude would get his ass kicked" because he was fat. The fact that his character is basically "the regular guy who kicks ass" is basically them saying "hey, if you think that then that isn't true." If you think he's not a star you can think he's not a star but it's a different ballgame when you introduce this other stuff.

[Fauxnaki]

Mar 7, 2019 10:45:08 GMT -5 @kn said:

Mar 7, 2019 10:25:47 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

Your completely twisting my words in that first paragraph. I never said I thought like that, I believe a pic part of the casual male audience would see Kevin Owens on tv and think "whos this fat dude, I could probably take him, why is He a world champion?". A lot of guys do size each other up a lot and think about that kinda stuff for a board that for the most part believes theres a toxic masculinity problem that a lot of guys out there don't think like that.

Why are you even ask Me how many fights I've been in? Like does this mean if Im Mike Tyson My views are right? but if im glass joe Im completely wrong?

I never said you had to be a body builder to win fights Kevin Owens has nothing about him that looks like hes a good fighter. You dont have to be big to come off as believable. Daniel Bryan is small but his intensity and moves he does in the ring makes people believe he could kick your ass. Its not just even believability with Owens I don't believe he looks like a star at all, Rey Mysterio tiny, not believable, non sense finisher but he had charisma and the star quality to be a huge draw all over the world.

I have been to harsh though I should of said at the start of the thread that I believe Owens is a great asset to WWE He can talk, decent actor, funny and the guy just gets it. I just see midcard to upper midcard as his limit. I'd rather see him in a tag team with someone else funny to play off then say beating Brock Lesner.

The thing about Kevin Owens and his character, the thing about real life actually, is that he's a guy who's built like that who can beat guys who are more muscular and athletic than him. That's real life shit. The reason it works is because that's real. Most people have seen someone win a fight against someone who's in better shape than them at least once in life whether said person was smaller, less muscular, we've seen it which makes Owens, doing all he does, look pretty accurate. That whole "guy sizes other guy up" thing you're talking about is something most people grow out of because we see the world doesn't work that way given experience, different fighting styles and straight etc. You saying "a lot of guys do this" when the reality is most of us realize how things are when we grow up doesn't make sense.

All through this thread we've seen people make comments towards Owens and looking as though he can't fight given he looks like a regular guy. In one post of mine, the one you responded to, I said "do yall really think a fat guy can't kick your ass" and you tried to be sarcastic using Butterbean as a response. In the second one you responded to you said "if I was watching with casual fans and they saw Owens most guys who hit the gym pretty regularly would think they could take him" which goes back to the real life fighting aspect. I'm speaking about being in fights because people can tell you that looks don't matter to actual fights. If you're saying "well built guys in the gym would say they could take him" then I have to ask "ok, who's actually been in a fight then" because that sounds like someone who thinks appearance dictates who can actually fight when that is not true. Your views are wrong if you think someone like Owens cannot beat someone up who regularly hits the gym which goes back to my previous posts about Owens looking like the guy at the bar who always wins fights. You were the one to bring up this "well someone said they could take him by his looks" commentary.

There's a difference between him looking like a star to you and you bringing up this "well if someone sizes him up they'd think-" thing you brought up. As someone who's seen a good amount of fights in my life never once did I see Owens and think "wow, this dude would get his ass kicked" because he was fat. The fact that his character is basically "the regular guy who kicks ass" is basically them saying "hey, if you think that then that isn't true." If you think he's not a star you can think he's not a star but it's a different ballgame when you introduce this other stuff.

You keep bringing up this "Guys that look like Kevin Owens can win real fights" stuff, I know thats possible. But if You wanna talk about Shoot fighting when have you ever seen a Kevin Owens looking guy Win a top title in a real combat sport AND drawn money? All the big shoot fighters that drew huge money looked and came off as stars Ali, Tyson, Mayweather.

Kevin Owens looks like a slob couch his head looks like a potato. he's a great asset to the company but he should seldom main event.

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Mar 7, 2019 11:12:31 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

You keep bringing up this "Guys that look like Kevin Owens can win real fights" stuff, I know thats possible. But if You wanna talk about Shoot fighting when have you ever seen a Kevin Owens looking guy Win a top title in a real combat sport AND drawn money? All the big shoot fighters that drew huge money looked and came off as stars Ali, Tyson, Mayweather.

Kevin Owens looks like a slob couch his head looks like a potato. he's a great asset to the company but he should seldom main event.

Real combat sport? Bruh...there's a difference between a real fight and a combat sport. What are you doing?

We're watching shows that have people kicking each other in the balls, hitting each other with chairs, using ropes for leverage for pins, people slapping each other and we're seeing guys guys use thumbtacks for offense. This is wrestling with an entertainment style to it. This is not the sweet science. See the thing about this, which goes back to what I just told you, is everything I've named that happened in wrestling people would use in a fight you'd see in behind a bar, in school, in the streets, a regular non-sanctioned fight which is why Owens relates to a lot of people. He's a guy that would win those kinds of real fights that everyone gets into. He's got the look of that regular guy you see at a bar.

Hell, not even once did I bring up anything like boxing because we know what kind of sport that is. My point remains. So again I ask you this,

Are you talking about Owens having a star presence or are you just trying to attack him for his weight? I said in my last post you can think he's not a star all you want but now you're bringing up his weight and bringing up boxing (when I didn't mention anything towards the latter) it sounds as though you're trying to find any reason to attack him given your points aren't credible. You can keep thinking he doesn't look like a star all you want as that opinion varies from person to person, the stuff about his weight and his character and stuff in relation to the confines of wrestling? Nah. You're off base.