Fauxnaki
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Post by Fauxnaki on Mar 7, 2019 11:58:37 GMT -5
You keep bringing up this "Guys that look like Kevin Owens can win real fights" stuff, I know thats possible. But if You wanna talk about Shoot fighting when have you ever seen a Kevin Owens looking guy Win a top title in a real combat sport AND drawn money? All the big shoot fighters that drew huge money looked and came off as stars Ali, Tyson, Mayweather. Kevin Owens looks like a slob couch his head looks like a potato. he's a great asset to the company but he should seldom main event. Real combat sport? Bruh...there's a difference between a real fight and a combat sport. What are you doing?
We're watching shows that have people kicking each other in the balls, hitting each other with chairs, using ropes for leverage for pins, people slapping each other and we're seeing guys guys use thumbtacks for offense. This is wrestling with an entertainment style to it. This is not the sweet science. See the thing about this, which goes back to what I just told you, is everything I've named that happened in wrestling people would use in a fight you'd see in behind a bar, in school, in the streets, a regular non-sanctioned fight which is why Owens relates to a lot of people. He's a guy that would win those kinds of real fights that everyone gets into. He's got the look of that regular guy you see at a bar.
Hell, not even once did I bring up anything like boxing because we know what kind of sport that is. My point remains. So again I ask you this,
Are you talking about Owens having a star presence or are you just trying to attack him for his weight? I said in my last post you can think he's not a star all you want but now you're bringing up his weight and bringing up boxing (when I didn't mention anything towards the latter) it sounds as though you're trying to find any reason to attack him given your points aren't credible. You can keep thinking he doesn't look like a star all you want as that opinion varies from person to person, the stuff about his weight and his character and stuff in relation to the confines of wrestling? Nah. You're off base.
You're speaking to Me like Im an asshole here in that top line so I'm keeping this short and I'm done posting after this. Im not just attacking his weight I've given examples of stars before who were fatter then Owens. Its his overall slobish, out of shape look, dumpy face and I dont believe he makes up for it enough in over areas to warrant him being pushed as a main eventer and putting the title on Him diminishes that title.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 12:13:50 GMT -5
What constitutes a main eventer? Someone who isn't a fatty, fatty, fat, fat, apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 12:24:24 GMT -5
You're speaking to Me like Im an asshole here in that top line so I'm keeping this short and I'm done posting after this. Im not just attacking his weight I've given examples of stars before who were fatter then Owens. Its his overall slobish, out of shape look, dumpy face and I dont believe he makes up for it enough in over areas to warrant him being pushed as a main eventer and putting the title on Him diminishes that title. You just attacked this man for how his face looks and used that as an example of one of the reasons why you don't think he's a main eventer...
I'm done talking to you about this, I've said all I needed to say. God bless.
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Post by edgestar on Mar 7, 2019 12:38:14 GMT -5
You're speaking to Me like Im an asshole here in that top line so I'm keeping this short and I'm done posting after this. Im not just attacking his weight I've given examples of stars before who were fatter then Owens. Its his overall slobish, out of shape look, dumpy face and I dont believe he makes up for it enough in over areas to warrant him being pushed as a main eventer and putting the title on Him diminishes that title. You just attacked this man for how his face looks and used that as an example of one of the reasons why you don't think he's a main eventer... I'm done talking to you about this, I've said all I needed to say. God bless. This is a good comment to end the talking about Owens' looks. It's done, now.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Mar 7, 2019 13:42:27 GMT -5
Owens reminds me of a Tank Abbott or Roy Nelson, who were/are totally legit in their craft. I hope that doesn't count as commenting on his looks.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 7, 2019 13:53:40 GMT -5
Owens was booked last year like a guy who was being jobbed out of the company. What's worse he was booked like a total goof and made to look bad in the process to the point where I have wondered how anyone could ever make money with the guy. He and Zayn were humiliated in the Shane feud and run off SD on a rail. Had to grovel to even get on Raw. From there both guys spent months just being destroyed by Lashley and Strowman. Zayn did the whole awful Lashley's sisters angle, Owens got tossed in a port-o-potty. If there were ever two guys who needed some sort of injury hiatus it's them.
Owens seems like a bizarre choice to be a face, but what else can they do with him? He's totally played out and jobbed out as a heel.
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Post by edgestar on Mar 7, 2019 14:08:08 GMT -5
Owens reminds me of a Tank Abbott or Roy Nelson, who were/are totally legit in their craft. I hope that doesn't count as commenting on his looks. That has no mention of his looks. It's fine.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 7, 2019 14:25:16 GMT -5
It's all about presentation. I loved Owens in ROH because he was a misfit, and his gimmick in NXT where he was desperate for quick money for his family was great. I didn't like his debut on the main roster because he was built up as this amazing wrestler that even John Cena can't beat, and his look just didn't support that, there was no grit to his performance or anything. Then his Universal title reign was the worst, that stretch where he wore that Monday Night Raw parody shirt was so bad, I really like Owens but purely on aesthetics he had the worst look of any top champion I can remember, just looked way too civilian for the scope of what he was supposed to be. I'm actually looking forward to this face run because I think it's the best presentation he's had on the main roster that feels like the right fit for him. I see this as his best shot at being a main eventer and looking the part. Good point; Owens/Steen works as a 9-to-5 gritty ass kicker in part because of his physical appearance, so taking that away from him definitely hurts his aura.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 14:36:15 GMT -5
Since this has become more about his appearance, I'll say that a roster full of Kevin Owens' would be lame shindy stank, but I like his look. He's really the only guy rocking that style, so it's unique amongst his wrestling peers, even if he wouldn't stand out at the bar. Wrestling needs variety. Look at Raven. Iconic look, right? I'm going to a Metal show tonight and everybody is going to look like Raven. But amongst his wrestling cohorts his look was incredibly unique.
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Post by sportatorium on Mar 7, 2019 14:39:10 GMT -5
Different strokes I guess. To me, Kevin Owens can take pretty much anything they give him and do a good job with it. When he was supposed to become the worst heel ever, but his victims were the McMahon family, he tried everything. When he was given the spot to face Daniel Bryan last year at Mania, he bumped his ass off for Bryan. When he was supposed to be booked as champion, but ended up in a comedy angle with Jericho where a list was the most over thing in the ring, he went with it.
His look, promos and in ring ability have nothing to do with some of the things above that didn’t get over. Guys like Batista and Kevin Nash looked like Main Eventers, but I’d take a hundred guys like Owens over those.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 7, 2019 14:45:34 GMT -5
Yea, I stayed out of this thread for a good reason because some of y'all are out of pocket and don't know what to say
Anyway, KO has been stale for a long time and he has that Randy Orton quality where when he's motivated there is not a lot better than him but when he's unmotivated he coast on his skill which is still better than a lot of people but you can see the lethargic body language
KO with this face turn has shown fire he hasn't in a good while and i'm digging it. Dude can be a legit main event player in WWE when he's on the ball
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 7, 2019 14:53:06 GMT -5
This boy Kevin Owens can't even figure out who hit him with a random pie, how is he supposed to be a world champ?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 7, 2019 15:01:07 GMT -5
Since this has become more about his appearance, I'll say that a roster full of Kevin Owens' would be lame shindy stank, but I like his look. He's really the only guy rocking that style, so it's unique amongst his wrestling peers, even if he wouldn't stand out at the bar. Wrestling needs variety. Look at Raven. Iconic look, right? I'm going to a Metal show tonight and everybody is going to look like Raven. But amongst his wrestling cohorts his look was incredibly unique. I'd compare it to character design in a fighting game or even just a game with a f***ton of playable characters; everyone should look distinct and ideally even be distinguishable in some way in silhouette form. That's a vital part of making a large cast of characters interesting and stand out from one another
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 7, 2019 15:12:52 GMT -5
Since this has become more about his appearance, I'll say that a roster full of Kevin Owens' would be lame shindy stank, but I like his look. He's really the only guy rocking that style, so it's unique amongst his wrestling peers, even if he wouldn't stand out at the bar. Wrestling needs variety. Look at Raven. Iconic look, right? I'm going to a Metal show tonight and everybody is going to look like Raven. But amongst his wrestling cohorts his look was incredibly unique. I'd compare it to character design in a fighting game or even just a game with a f***ton of playable characters; everyone should look distinct and ideally even be distinguishable in some way in silhouette form. That's a vital part of making a large cast of characters interesting and stand out from one another ...but I kind of liked playing as Shingo Yabuki in KOF...
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 7, 2019 15:40:21 GMT -5
I mean, he's already main evented 2 episodes of SmackDown since coming back. I'm not sure what the criteria is.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 7, 2019 15:41:22 GMT -5
Honestly, he and Joe despite being “big” targets for jokes are probably the only NXT graduates who haven’t busted on the main roster.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 16:34:28 GMT -5
You know what diminishes a title?
Creating a match where the winner can cash in a title shot any time they want.
Let's step away from a particular person being good enough to hold a belt and say that, if this was real, that person couldn't be a legitimate contender.
If this is supposed to be treated as real, then you have a stipulation that flies in the face of any conceivable sense of realism.
"Hey champ, you know that match you signed for at Wrestlemania four months from now? You know, the one you're doing press interviews for, appearing on talk shows to promote, the one we have a camera crew following you the week of to document your preparations for your momentous encounter? The one you're getting paid millions of dollars to compete in.
This guy won a ladder match and he might want to join the match for your belt, live in front of tens of thousands of people in a stadium and millions around the world watching from home. He might want to wait until you've finished the match and are tired. Of course, he might not try to cash it in at all. Up to him."
If you can buy that ever happening in something real and thus something appropriate to kayfabe but have a problem with someone's looks, I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Mar 7, 2019 16:37:51 GMT -5
I don't want to go as far as pinning him as "THE GUY", but I would call him a higher midcard at worst.
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Mar 7, 2019 17:39:22 GMT -5
I always went by if the person can make you believe that he's deserving of the main event, and can back up whatever he's saying, that person can be a main eventer. I can see that in Kevin Owens and it took me a while to warm up to him.
I'm glad that there has been an evolution in their main eventers through the years. Gone are the days of like the slow as molasses big 7 footers (understably I know there was a difference in the work rate from the 80s WWF showmanship, the 90s new generation workers and all of that). I still remember that pic of all the champs like 10 years ago where it was Bryan as WHC, Punk as WWE, Ryder as IC and all that. Years back before them I dont think that would have ever happened.
But yea, I'm glad others are getting a chance at the big time. I'm hoping the KO/Bryan story turns into a triple threat with Kofi at Mania. That would be a cool thing I dont think anyone would see happening at a WM.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 7, 2019 17:50:58 GMT -5
Owens being the authority backed champion was baffling. They don't like Bryan for his looks but Owens is their guy?
That aside he's fine to slot in the main event if needed but is better being solid in the midcard. Feels like he needs to feed off some grievance to be at his best and that is tough at the top.
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