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Post by corndog on Mar 11, 2019 1:58:04 GMT -5
To me this whole thing comes like Ronda is imploding and WWE is desperately trying to spin it to hide this fact. Although either way, it's certainly having the exact opposite effect from having me wanting to watch the match. Especially given if Ronda does anything unprofessional at Mania it's sure as hell not going to be trying to turn it into a real fight, it's going to be no-selling shit and storming off in a huff like her name was Austin Aries. Honestly, I think there is a good chance this is the case. Ronda could be having another mental breakdown and throwing a massive tantrum, but WWE is just leaning into it, because they think she can draw and also think this will bring them mainstream attention. Also, this is a very long thread that I didn't read entirely through, has Jim Cornette said anything about this?
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 11, 2019 5:27:02 GMT -5
Deadpool breaks the fourth wall to bring viewers in on a joke.
Ronda breaks the fourth wall to call the product and viewers a joke.
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Post by segaz on Mar 12, 2019 19:13:49 GMT -5
Deadpool breaks the fourth wall to bring viewers in on a joke. Ronda breaks the fourth wall to call the product and viewers a joke. Perhaps they should have cut to UFC editors messing with the Twitter video, and Hulk in attendance standing up and telling them to put the footage back on before they feel the power of Hulkamania. Then he could apologise to us and we could go on with the show.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 12, 2019 23:40:43 GMT -5
Been reading 24 pages of this. Vince McMahon is 100% behind what Rhonda is doing because:
A) Fox and Usa and Saudi Arabia will still pay him.
B) It gets people talking. 24 pages on a couple of tweets?
C) The fans who hate this keep watching. Yeah the ratings are going down, but Wrestlemania will sell out any building, right?
D) He hates wrestling fans. To him, they are all marks. Fools to be parted with their money. The dumber, the angrier, the better. Buy a shirt.
They admitted it was fake in 1989 to avoid taxes. As if somehow in 2019 they care to pretend its real.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 13, 2019 0:36:56 GMT -5
I just miss when this storyline was actually about Becky and not Ronda going on a drunken rampage.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 13, 2019 0:57:48 GMT -5
Been reading 24 pages of this. Vince McMahon is 100% behind what Rhonda is doing because: A) Fox and Usa and Saudi Arabia will still pay him. I mean, sure. But all of those are a) because they don’t have anything else (USA), b) they need their own content soon (FOX) and c) they’re money marks (Saudis) Again, getting people to talk means nothing when people aren’t watching, which leads to... The NFL’s ratings have dropped the last few years, one of many sports to drop in the last 5 years outside of the NBA which have risen, but the Super Bowl sells out because it’s the Super Bowl. Both of these things can be true. Merchandise sales are also down and have been for a while. Again, two completely different things. You’re supposed to WANT people to be invested and if you don’t, people won’t be. Ratings have been going down, year by year, by between 15% to 20%. Nothing they’re doing is working and, hey, they’re reaping what they sowed after the post Attitude Era buzz died down.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 13, 2019 1:02:47 GMT -5
They admitted it was fake in 1989 to avoid taxes. As if somehow in 2019 they care to pretend its real. My dude if you can't grasp the structural difference in telling the IRS you're not a real sports competition from telling your viewing audience "Don't care about any of this it's stupid" then this thread is out of your depth.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 13, 2019 1:13:16 GMT -5
They admitted it was fake in 1989 to avoid taxes. As if somehow in 2019 they care to pretend its real. My dude if you can't grasp the structural difference in telling the IRS you're not a real sports competition from telling your viewing audience "Don't care about any of this it's stupid" then this thread is out of your depth. youtu.be/Fk16zE2EisEThat's the IRS "my dude?" I think when it comes to history, you might be out of depth. But I have no interest in your trollbait. WWE has been telling people wrestling is fake for 30 years. Broadcast TV, interviews, reality shows, twitter.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 13, 2019 1:15:45 GMT -5
My dude if you can't grasp the structural difference in telling the IRS you're not a real sports competition from telling your viewing audience "Don't care about any of this it's stupid" then this thread is out of your depth. youtu.be/Fk16zE2EisEThat's the IRS "my dude?" I think when it comes to history, you might be out of depth. But I have no interest in your trollbait. WWE has been telling people wrestling is fake for 30 years. Broadcast TV, interviews, reality shows, twitter. Right. Other peoples' TV shows. "Reality shows" where the word right in there is the word "reality". I'm saying that doing it outside the product is different from doing it inside the product. It's not troll bait to say that there's a very clear line of division in those situations, that the line has been the focus of these 24 pages, and that you're missing that line.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 13, 2019 1:19:53 GMT -5
Been reading 24 pages of this. Vince McMahon is 100% behind what Rhonda is doing because: A) Fox and Usa and Saudi Arabia will still pay him. I mean, sure. But all of those are a) because they don’t have anything else (USA), b) they need their own content soon (FOX) and c) they’re money marks (Saudis) Again, getting people to talk means nothing when people aren’t watching, which leads to... The NFL’s ratings have dropped the last few years, one of many sports to drop in the last 5 years outside of the NBA which have risen, but the Super Bowl sells out because it’s the Super Bowl. Both of these things can be true. Merchandise sales are also down and have been for a while. Again, two completely different things. You’re supposed to WANT people to be invested and if you don’t, people won’t be. Ratings have been going down, year by year, by between 15% to 20%. Nothing they’re doing is working and, hey, they’re reaping what they sowed after the post Attitude Era buzz died down. I can agree with everything you say and still say so what? My point is, they dont want YOU invested. They hate wrestling fans. Theyre reaping record profits last I heard. Listen, it upsets me as much as anything. I hate when they do this too. But in the the end they are riding the money mark Saudis and content hungry Fox to record profits, and Wrestlemania will be sold out, and every single person on this thread will watch at least Wrestlemania, if not all the PPVs. So why should they care what Rhonda says? Why should they care if they go full Vince Russo? The angry marks bugging out to Rhonda's tweet will be back next week. They cant help themselves but turn to Raw on Mondays. And the people who left are enjoying NJPW or ROH or whatever and dont care what Rhonda has to say. So thats your choice. Be upset about Rousey breaking kayfabe enough where you stop WWE. But you wont, so why should they care?
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 13, 2019 1:25:30 GMT -5
To me this whole thing comes like Ronda is imploding and WWE is desperately trying to spin it to hide this fact. Although either way, it's certainly having the exact opposite effect from having me wanting to watch the match. Especially given if Ronda does anything unprofessional at Mania it's sure as hell not going to be trying to turn it into a real fight, it's going to be no-selling shit and storming off in a huff like her name was Austin Aries. Honestly, I think there is a good chance this is the case. Ronda could be having another mental breakdown and throwing a massive tantrum, but WWE is just leaning into it, because they think she can draw and also think this will bring them mainstream attention. Also, this is a very long thread that I didn't read entirely through, has Jim Cornette said anything about this? For the love of God, nobody tell him. You trying to kill the guy? At least make sure he has a Baconator in hand before you tell him.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 13, 2019 1:27:52 GMT -5
youtu.be/Fk16zE2EisEThat's the IRS "my dude?" I think when it comes to history, you might be out of depth. But I have no interest in your trollbait. WWE has been telling people wrestling is fake for 30 years. Broadcast TV, interviews, reality shows, twitter. Right. Other peoples' TV shows. "Reality shows" where the word right in there is the word "reality". I'm saying that doing it outside the product is different from doing it inside the product. It's not troll bait to say that there's a very clear line of division in those situations, that the line has been the focus of these 24 pages, and that you're missing that line. Yeah "other people's shows" like Tough Enough and Total Divas. Those are part of the product. Wrestlers social media is an extension of that product. You are trying to come off like Im missing something, but Im really not. You watch a product produced by people who think youre a mark and should shut up and enjoy it. They are out and open about it. You will still watch Wrestlemania, and maybe Raw every week. There is no line, it was crossed a long time ago, and they laugh at people who dont get that.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 13, 2019 1:29:04 GMT -5
Right. Other peoples' TV shows. "Reality shows" where the word right in there is the word "reality". I'm saying that doing it outside the product is different from doing it inside the product. It's not troll bait to say that there's a very clear line of division in those situations, that the line has been the focus of these 24 pages, and that you're missing that line. Yeah "other people's shows" like Tough Enough and Total Divas. Those are part of the product. Wrestlers social media is an extension of that product. You are trying to come off like Im missing something, but Im really not. You watch a product produced by people who think youre a mark and should shut up and enjoy it. They are out and open about it. You will still watch Wrestlemania, and maybe Raw every week. There is no line, it was crossed a long time ago, and they laugh at people who dont get that. You linked an interview to someone else's show. The very next sentence of my post was talking about the reality shows you mentioned. If you want to tell me you're not missing something then don't directly miss the content of my post.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 13, 2019 1:30:34 GMT -5
Yeah "other people's shows" like Tough Enough and Total Divas. Those are part of the product. Wrestlers social media is an extension of that product. You are trying to come off like Im missing something, but Im really not. You watch a product produced by people who think youre a mark and should shut up and enjoy it. They are out and open about it. You will still watch Wrestlemania, and maybe Raw every week. There is no line, it was crossed a long time ago, and they laugh at people who dont get that. You linked an interview to someone else's show. The very next sentence of my post was talking about the reality shows you mentioned. If you want to tell me you're not missing something then don't directly miss the content of my post. Did Rousey say this on TV or on social media? I mean, I watched it and I cant even remember. You know why? Because they dont care, why should I? Most of what people seem to be upset about is social media, which is not the product itself. But if youre upset that even though they have said it a million different ways, they suddenly said it within the confines of a 3 hour Raw, then I really dont know what to tell you. Sorry they hurt you in this specific way.
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 13, 2019 1:34:57 GMT -5
I've never paid for a WWE PPV nor do I have WWE Network. And that's not changing anytime soon.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 13, 2019 1:35:20 GMT -5
You linked an interview to someone else's show. The very next sentence of my post was talking about the reality shows you mentioned. If you want to tell me you're not missing something then don't directly miss the content of my post. Did Rousey say this on TV or on social media? I mean, I watched it and I cant even remember. You know why? Because they dont care, why should I? Most of what people seem to be upset about is social media, which is not the product itself. Her twitter where she was previously being in character, arguing with two people very much in character. But since you're just going to sit here in this thread restating over and over "It's bad but you'll keep watching" as a way to shut conversation and criticism down then I'm not really seeing the value of getting into the weeds on this issue, you're just repeating the same central thesis statement over and over as if expecting people to just roll over and accept your point. I'm not 19 anymore, I don't have time for that shit.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 13, 2019 1:41:18 GMT -5
Did Rousey say this on TV or on social media? I mean, I watched it and I cant even remember. You know why? Because they dont care, why should I? Most of what people seem to be upset about is social media, which is not the product itself. Her twitter where she was previously being in character, arguing with two people very much in character. But since you're just going to sit here in this thread restating over and over "It's bad but you'll keep watching" as a way to shut conversation and criticism down then I'm not really seeing the value of getting into the weeds on this issue, you're just repeating the same central thesis statement over and over as if expecting people to just roll over and accept your point. I'm not 19 anymore, I don't have time for that shit. Her twitter is no different then the Bob Costas clip I posted. You made fun of me mentioning the 1989 incident, but apparently you didnt experience it. What Rousey is doing now is a JOKE compared to how so many wrestlers, young and old, felt about it then. But Vince destroyed his competitors, he took 90% of the business, and people shut their mouths quick. Thats why to me this Twitter stuff by Rousey, in the perspective of historical significance, is laughable.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 13, 2019 1:43:37 GMT -5
Her twitter where she was previously being in character, arguing with two people very much in character. But since you're just going to sit here in this thread restating over and over "It's bad but you'll keep watching" as a way to shut conversation and criticism down then I'm not really seeing the value of getting into the weeds on this issue, you're just repeating the same central thesis statement over and over as if expecting people to just roll over and accept your point. I'm not 19 anymore, I don't have time for that shit. Her twitter is no different then the Bob Costas clip I posted. You made fun of me mentioning the 1989 incident, but apparently you didnt experience it. What Rousey is doing now is a JOKE compared to how so many wrestlers, young and old, felt about it then. But Vince destroyed his competitors, he took 90% of the business, and people shut their mouths quick. Thats why to me this Twitter stuff by Rousey, in the perspective of historical significance, is laughable. I'm not making fun of you, I said that he said that on someone else's show and not within the kayfabe product. That was all I said about it. This is my last response to you.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 13, 2019 1:45:09 GMT -5
I mean, sure. But all of those are a) because they don’t have anything else (USA), b) they need their own content soon (FOX) and c) they’re money marks (Saudis) Again, getting people to talk means nothing when people aren’t watching, which leads to... The NFL’s ratings have dropped the last few years, one of many sports to drop in the last 5 years outside of the NBA which have risen, but the Super Bowl sells out because it’s the Super Bowl. Both of these things can be true. Merchandise sales are also down and have been for a while. Again, two completely different things. You’re supposed to WANT people to be invested and if you don’t, people won’t be. Ratings have been going down, year by year, by between 15% to 20%. Nothing they’re doing is working and, hey, they’re reaping what they sowed after the post Attitude Era buzz died down. I can agree with everything you say and still say so what? My point is, they dont want YOU invested. They hate wrestling fans. Theyre reaping record profits last I heard. Listen, it upsets me as much as anything. I hate when they do this too. But in the the end they are riding the money mark Saudis and content hungry Fox to record profits, and Wrestlemania will be sold out, and every single person on this thread will watch at least Wrestlemania, if not all the PPVs. So why should they care what Rhonda says? Why should they care if they go full Vince Russo? The angry marks bugging out to Rhonda's tweet will be back next week. They cant help themselves but turn to Raw on Mondays. And the people who left are enjoying NJPW or ROH or whatever and dont care what Rhonda has to say. So thats your choice. Be upset about Rousey breaking kayfabe enough where you stop WWE. But you wont, so why should they care? I mean, they do care about lower TV ratings or else Ronda wouldn’t have been signed at all. And the fact we’re seeing more McMahons because USA believe that’s a thing that works (no proof of that but they were the reason the Authority was a thing) and acted like it’s a new thing so to say they don’t care because they make money is a bit of a misdemeanor. And if you really want to ask me personally, I cancelled my Network subscription after the first bits of FOX news were coming out because they don’t need me or my subscription to make money. Saudi Arabia’s dealings would have sealed it but that was WAY later. People aren’t watching or going to house shows or even talking about it (and yes, it’s talked about here and on social media but the company made $9m from social media last year which is really unimpressive in the grand scheme of things) but if it doesn’t lead to any improvement, why do it? It’s not even a moral stance at this point, it’s of a realisation that they’re desperate for any kind of attention. They know this stuff worked for three years in the late 90s, let’s do it again and not understand WHY it worked and why Austin was a big star and even why Vince Russo’s work shoots were the final death nail for WCW.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 13, 2019 1:52:50 GMT -5
I can agree with everything you say and still say so what? My point is, they dont want YOU invested. They hate wrestling fans. Theyre reaping record profits last I heard. Listen, it upsets me as much as anything. I hate when they do this too. But in the the end they are riding the money mark Saudis and content hungry Fox to record profits, and Wrestlemania will be sold out, and every single person on this thread will watch at least Wrestlemania, if not all the PPVs. So why should they care what Rhonda says? Why should they care if they go full Vince Russo? The angry marks bugging out to Rhonda's tweet will be back next week. They cant help themselves but turn to Raw on Mondays. And the people who left are enjoying NJPW or ROH or whatever and dont care what Rhonda has to say. So thats your choice. Be upset about Rousey breaking kayfabe enough where you stop WWE. But you wont, so why should they care? I mean, they do care about lower TV ratings or else Ronda wouldn’t have been signed at all. And the fact we’re seeing more McMahons because USA believe that’s a thing that works (no proof of that but they were the reason the Authority was a thing) and acted like it’s a new thing so to say they don’t care because they make money is a bit of a misdemeanor. And if you really want to ask me personally, I cancelled my Network subscription after the first bits of FOX news were coming out because they don’t need me or my subscription to make money. Saudi Arabia’s dealings would have sealed it but that was WAY later. People aren’t watching or going to house shows or even talking about it (and yes, it’s talked about here and on social media but the company made $9m from social media last year which is really unimpressive in the grand scheme of things) but if it doesn’t lead to any improvement, why do it? It’s not even a moral stance at this point, it’s of a realisation that they’re desperate for any kind of attention. They know this stuff worked for three years in the late 90s, let’s do it again and not understand WHY it worked and why Austin was a big star and even why Vince Russo’s work shoots were the final death nail for WCW. I agree on everything you said up until the Russo death of WCW thing. There is no Vince McMahon type trying daily to destroy WWE, like Vince was to WCW. There is no AOL takeover of WWE's parent company and canceling of the TV show. There is no one to pay 4.2 million to their friend to buy the trademarks and bury them until they could be exploited as nostalgia. WWE can hire Vince Russo and have him write everything and they would still be super profitable. Thats what spending decades destroying competition gets you.
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