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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 23:17:13 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority, but I get nothing out of this story at allll tbh. Like, I was absolutely one of the people dying for him to win the belt at EC and post-EC, but this stuff with Vince is just so forced and feels like it's being made up on the spot every week. Putting Kofi in the Steve Austin role just makes Kofi look kinda flaccid, cause he doesn't have nearly the same amount of fire that Bryan or Becky did/do. That was especially especially true for me tonight, where by the end of the last promo I just wanted Vince to scream at him like YOU'RE HERE *BECAUSE* YOU DIDN'T COMPLAIN YOU DWEEB. The more they try to make Kofi some Austin lite character, the less I care about him, because that's *so* not him. Also, I get no tension between him and Vince whatsoever. Like, so little that Vince might as well come out and say "I really hate you cause line B on the script I just finished typing says so. Uh, anyone got a crunch wrap?". Don't take this as me giving you reasons why you shouldn't like it, it's just so so not for me. They aren't really booking him in any way like Steve Austin though. The only similarity is that he's in conflict with Vince McMahon. Characters like CM Punk, Becky Lynch and Stone Cold were disgruntled, Kofi's more heartbroken. He's closer now than he's ever been to the top of the heap and he's witnessing first hand that it doesn't really matter how many wins he racks up, if Vince doesn't see money in him, he's not gonna give Kofi what he deserves. I don't think it's that illfitting for him because we've never really seen him in a situation like this. He's never really had to campaign for himself like this because Vince isn't as ornery about who holds tag team titles. I really love the way that they have Xavier and Big E there trying to raise him up too. I like to see babyfaces who actually have friends that stick up for each other. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 23:22:09 GMT -5
With Kofi the reason he's mostly acted calm, the reason he didn't barge through Vince's door is because he's that guy at the job that's been doing solid work for years and considering he's blessed, his family's taken care of, considering he's lucky to be in that position he can deal with what you throw at him. The Orton stuff, the Rumble issues, ladder stuff, all of that's things that he's experienced and nothing major came from it and yet he continued to rack up wins and midcard titles. That was ok at his previous level. Now's the only time where he's actively been considered for a world title and unlike before where he can bounce back with a midcard title or something else, Kofi's not getting what he wants after all this time and work he's put in. He can get the "B level titles" but he can't get the "A level" ones so now he's like "ok, what the hell is up?" to Vince.
It's like at work where they'll give you OT hours if you ask for them but they won't give you a better schedule when you need it. Kofi's realizing that all of his hardwork isn't enough to get something others have gained so he's now about to be fed up.
It's basically like working at your job and you eventually put up with so much bullshit that you explode. It's pretty relatable.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 12, 2019 23:25:27 GMT -5
^Yeah Kofi's character is the everyman essentially.
He's the guy at work whose motto is "keep your head down and your nose clean and do everything the best you can".
Now in the story, as in real life, that sounds fine and dandy but without making waves that means you don't get noticed.
But now he has.
This story is about THAT GOOD GUY who flys straight and has his act-right card punched every day getting his proper due.
This is hella inspirational to me on that level.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 23:36:05 GMT -5
^Yeah Kofi's character is the everyman essentially. He's the guy at work whose motto is "keep your head down and your nose clean and do everything the best you can". Now in the story, as in real life, that sounds fine and dandy but without making waves that means you don't get noticed. But now he has. This story is about THAT GOOD GUY who flys straight and has his act-right card punched every day getting his proper due. This is hella inspirational to me on that level. Yep exactly and it also follows Kofi's attitude after the gauntlet and Elimination Chamber matches with the interviews with New Day. |
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 12, 2019 23:40:49 GMT -5
It's been a good build to make Kofi into the sympathetic face. But I'm (justifiably) worried that we'll have a repeat of Wrestlemania 19, where the over black guy facing an uphill climb with subtle and not-so-subtle racial tones to it loses anyway to the guy making the racial jabs.
Granted, Vince is no Reign of Terror Triple H, but he's also the guy who signed off on all that crap.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 12, 2019 23:46:43 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority, but I get nothing out of this story at allll tbh. Like, I was absolutely one of the people dying for him to win the belt at EC and post-EC, but this stuff with Vince is just so forced and feels like it's being made up on the spot every week. Putting Kofi in the Steve Austin role just makes Kofi look kinda flaccid, cause he doesn't have nearly the same amount of fire that Bryan or Becky did/do. That was especially especially true for me tonight, where by the end of the last promo I just wanted Vince to scream at him like YOU'RE HERE *BECAUSE* YOU DIDN'T COMPLAIN YOU DWEEB. The more they try to make Kofi some Austin lite character, the less I care about him, because that's *so* not him. Also, I get no tension between him and Vince whatsoever. Like, so little that Vince might as well come out and say "I really hate you cause line B on the script I just finished typing says so. Uh, anyone got a crunch wrap?". Don't take this as me giving you reasons why you shouldn't like it, it's just so so not for me. They aren't really booking him in any way like Steve Austin though. The only similarity is that he's in conflict with Vince McMahon. Characters like CM Punk, Becky Lynch and Stone Cold were disgruntled, Kofi's more heartbroken. He's closer now than he's ever been to the top of the heap and he's witnessing first hand that it doesn't really matter how many wins he racks up, if Vince doesn't see money in him, he's not gonna give Kofi what he deserves. I don't think it's that illfitting for him because we've never really seen him in a situation like this. He's never really had to campaign for himself like this because Vince isn't as ornery about who holds tag team titles. I really love the way that they have Xavier and Big E there trying to raise him up too. I like to see babyfaces who actually have friends that stick up for each other. And I'll be real, "heartbroken dude who just wants his boss to love him" just does absolutely nothing for me as a wrestling angle, especially when Kofi's going on this huge rant where he unintentionally spells out exactly why he he's in the predicament he's in. It makes me feel like when Samoa Joe did that worked shoot promo at Turning Point 07 about Scott Hall not showing up, and some lady in the audience screamed QUIT BEING A CRYBABY. I'm that lady. |
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Post by Perd on Mar 12, 2019 23:54:04 GMT -5
Kofi is the exact opposite of an anti authority figure. He’s the epitome of the good soldier. He does whatever is asked of him and doesn’t complain. He watches others surpass him and doesn’t complained. Because good soldiers get underestimated and overlooked. And when good soldiers “forget their place” their superiors feel the need to put them back in line. That’s more the story being told here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 23:59:20 GMT -5
They aren't really booking him in any way like Steve Austin though. The only similarity is that he's in conflict with Vince McMahon. Characters like CM Punk, Becky Lynch and Stone Cold were disgruntled, Kofi's more heartbroken. He's closer now than he's ever been to the top of the heap and he's witnessing first hand that it doesn't really matter how many wins he racks up, if Vince doesn't see money in him, he's not gonna give Kofi what he deserves. I don't think it's that illfitting for him because we've never really seen him in a situation like this. He's never really had to campaign for himself like this because Vince isn't as ornery about who holds tag team titles. I really love the way that they have Xavier and Big E there trying to raise him up too. I like to see babyfaces who actually have friends that stick up for each other. And I'll be real, "heartbroken dude who just wants his boss to love him" just does absolutely nothing for me as a wrestling angle, especially when Kofi's going on this huge rant where he unintentionally spells out exactly why he he's in the predicament he's in. It makes me feel like when Samoa Joe did that worked shoot promo at Turning Point 07 about Scott Hall not showing up, and some lady in the audience screamed QUIT BEING A CRYBABY. I'm that lady. Fair enough. I have an affinity for babyfaces that are too good natured to really help themselves, which is a fine line to walk without making them look stupid, but at this stage of the game I can identify with Kofi taking the pacifist approach to getting what he wants, I like that in spite of clear oppression he's trying to uphold some semblance of righteousness. It's a different case from like, Becky Lynch from last month, who's all sass and bravado, beats up a McMahon at the mere thought of not getting what she wants, then a week later "ah fine I'll go to the doctors." That to me was more of a "what are you doing lady?" With Kofi, he's getting in his own way thinking that he can speak to Vince's heart but it doesn't come across as out of character for him and I like the innocence of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 0:30:22 GMT -5
I imagine Bryan and Kofi are contributing a lot ideas wise, that's 25 years of experience between the two.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 13, 2019 0:38:53 GMT -5
Tonight completely turned me, and my friend, back around in New Day. I enjoyed Kofi’s EC performance, and wanted him at ‘Mania but all 3 guys hit it out of the park tonight and all I want now is Kofi winning at WM
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Post by schma on Mar 13, 2019 0:46:22 GMT -5
There's a lot great about this but I do think they're laying it on a bit thick with McMahon's involvement. However, the promo tonight is one that Ronda should have watched. He pretty much straight up said that he didn't see Kofi as a main eventer so Kofi would not be a main eventer. However, Vince is the boss and we've had stories in the past about people being 'held down' or 'denied opportunities'. I think it brought a bit of real life to things without telling us all that this is fake. They threaded that line well unlike the shit Ronda's been doing, which is kinda funny since the same guy is writing both.
A part of me thinks that next week, Kofi loses in the final match and snaps or something, beating down Bryan bad enough that he demands a match with Kofi.
What bugs me about all of this though is this and Vince's interference with Becky was basically the exact shit they said wasn't going to happen anymore just a couple months ago. None of us actually believed them but come on, at least try to pretend you kept your word. Vince straight up said the audience didn't matter tonight which is the exact opposite of what they had claimed in this new era.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Mar 13, 2019 0:55:34 GMT -5
With Kofi the reason he's mostly acted calm, the reason he didn't barge into Vince's door is because he's that guy at the job that's been doing solid work for years and considering he's blessed, his family's taken care of considering he's lucky to be in that position he can deal with what you throw at him. The Orton stuff, the Rumble issues, ladder stuff, all of that's things that he's experienced and nothing major came from it and yet he continued to rack up wins and midcard titles. Now's the only time where he's actively been considered for a world title and unlike before where he can bounce back with a midcard title or something else, Kofi's not getting what he wants after all this time he's put in. He can get the "B level titles" but he can't get the "A level" ones so now he's like "ok, what the hell is up?" to Vince. It's like at work where they'll give you OT hours if you ask for them but they won't give you a better schedule when you need it. Kofi's realizing that all of his hardwork isn't enough to get something others have gained so he's now about to be fed up. It's basically like working at your job and you eventually put up with so much bullshit that you explode. It's pretty relatable. It's interesting that they tried to give us a 'common man' Kevin Owens, but unintentionally had that story building with Kofi. |
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Post by BatPunk on Mar 13, 2019 1:00:03 GMT -5
I’m sure Bryan is pushing just as much as anyone to let Kofi win at Mania. He’s that dude.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 13, 2019 1:01:22 GMT -5
I loved the whole “nobody deserves anything, not even me” thing.
Vince including himself in that statement was a nice touch.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Mar 13, 2019 1:03:58 GMT -5
I still can't bring myself to start watching the shows again, but Kofi as a top tier champ is something I've wanted for years, and I dearly hope they deliver with a feel-good finish rather than a Booker T situation.
Really, Kofi, Becky and Seth all need to win. Balance it out with heel victories and swerves elsewhere on the card, but those three feel like must-haves, no matter how predictable the results might seem on paper.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 13, 2019 1:06:16 GMT -5
I still can't bring myself to start watching the shows again, but Kofi as a top tier champ is something I've wanted for years, and I dearly hope they deliver with a feel-good finish rather than a Booker T situation. Really, Kofi, Becky and Seth all need to win. Balance it out with heel victories and swerves elsewhere on the card, but those three feel like must-haves, no matter how predictable the results might seem on paper. Also, Miz had damned well better not lose to Shane. |
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Mar 13, 2019 1:15:31 GMT -5
I still can't bring myself to start watching the shows again, but Kofi as a top tier champ is something I've wanted for years, and I dearly hope they deliver with a feel-good finish rather than a Booker T situation. Really, Kofi, Becky and Seth all need to win. Balance it out with heel victories and swerves elsewhere on the card, but those three feel like must-haves, no matter how predictable the results might seem on paper. Also, Miz had damned well better not lose to Shane. I'm willing to accept that one if shenanigans are involved. Bonus points if it involves one or more members of the Mean Street Posse. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 1:17:08 GMT -5
With Kofi the reason he's mostly acted calm, the reason he didn't barge into Vince's door is because he's that guy at the job that's been doing solid work for years and considering he's blessed, his family's taken care of considering he's lucky to be in that position he can deal with what you throw at him. The Orton stuff, the Rumble issues, ladder stuff, all of that's things that he's experienced and nothing major came from it and yet he continued to rack up wins and midcard titles. Now's the only time where he's actively been considered for a world title and unlike before where he can bounce back with a midcard title or something else, Kofi's not getting what he wants after all this time he's put in. He can get the "B level titles" but he can't get the "A level" ones so now he's like "ok, what the hell is up?" to Vince. It's like at work where they'll give you OT hours if you ask for them but they won't give you a better schedule when you need it. Kofi's realizing that all of his hardwork isn't enough to get something others have gained so he's now about to be fed up. It's basically like working at your job and you eventually put up with so much bullshit that you explode. It's pretty relatable. It's interesting that they tried to give us a 'common man' Kevin Owens, but unintentionally had that story building with Kofi. Yeah they're slightly different versions of the common man but they both work well. Owens is the guy who's all about family, the guy who's just a family man. He's the type to mention his family more than most because he's more open about it. Kofi's the guy always grinding hard for his family, the one who's doing what he takes just so they can live a good life. He wouldn't mention them much not because he doesn't love them but because he's working hard for them. Now we've seen Kofi being pushed so much he's bringing them up. It's great. |
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Post by floundertime on Mar 13, 2019 1:21:27 GMT -5
I’m super excited for Kofi and hope he wins at WM cause the emotion of him and the rest of the new day will be amazing.
2 things about this though.
1) how would all of this played out if Ali never got hurt
2) in all seriousness, when the McMahon’s said they were giving the fans what they want. The fans want Becky st WM, they’re getting her. The fans got behind Kofi and he’s getting his chance. Little steps in the right direction. People are getting excited about WM now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 1:34:28 GMT -5
I’m super excited for Kofi and hope he wins at WM cause the emotion of him and the rest of the new day will be amazing. 2 things about this though. 1) how would all of this played out if Ali never got hurt 2) in all seriousness, when the McMahon’s said they were giving the fans what they want. The fans want Becky st WM, they’re getting her. The fans got behind Kofi and he’s getting his chance. Little steps in the right direction. People are getting excited about WM now Ali was going to get the gauntlet match, EC showing, Fastlane throw away match but that's it. He wasn't expected to get the grand Kofi treatment. |
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