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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 13, 2019 1:40:11 GMT -5
I’m super excited for Kofi and hope he wins at WM cause the emotion of him and the rest of the new day will be amazing. 2 things about this though. 1) how would all of this played out if Ali never got hurt 2) in all seriousness, when the McMahon’s said they were giving the fans what they want. The fans want Becky st WM, they’re getting her. The fans got behind Kofi and he’s getting his chance. Little steps in the right direction. People are getting excited about WM now Ali was going to get the gauntlet match, EC showing, Fastlane throw away match but that's it. He wasn't expected to get the grand Kofi treatment. Yea, pretty much. If anything KO might have been slipped himself into a title match at Mania instead of fastlane or they brought back someone like Bray. Kofi is only in situation because the fans went crazy for him in the gauntlet match and with his years in the business everything just sort of clicked at the absolute right time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 2:04:43 GMT -5
Ali was going to get the gauntlet match, EC showing, Fastlane throw away match but that's it. He wasn't expected to get the grand Kofi treatment. Yea, pretty much. If anything KO might have been slipped himself into a title match at Mania instead of fastlane or they brought back someone like Bray. Kofi is only in situation because the fans went crazy for him in the gauntlet match and with his years in the business everything just sort of clicked at the absolute right time Yeah I think Owens would have gotten that WM title match and as for Ali, either he'd get Bryan at Fastlane or he'd end up getting that Rowan match somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 10:33:06 GMT -5
New Day even saying that they're toning down the antics for a bit due to this is pretty good storytelling. They realize they gotta start stepping on some toes.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 13, 2019 10:42:56 GMT -5
This match has to go on last, especially if they have Kofi single handedly beat the 5 top heels on Smackdown not named Daniel Bryan.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 13, 2019 10:46:15 GMT -5
^Yeah Kofi's character is the everyman essentially. He's the guy at work whose motto is "keep your head down and your nose clean and do everything the best you can". Now in the story, as in real life, that sounds fine and dandy but without making waves that means you don't get noticed. But now he has. This story is about THAT GOOD GUY who flys straight and has his act-right card punched every day getting his proper due. This is hella inspirational to me on that level. It’s actually a perfect and very relatable story. Tons of people take that “head down, mouth closed” approach at their job. Then, suddenly, you look up and It is 5 years later and you haven’t moved up at all. And you get pissed because how the hell has no one noticed that you have been doing great work all this time? So, you realize closed mouths don’t get fed, and you have to tell the boss exactly how good you are and what you have earned. Because all that good work you have done that you thought speaks for itself isn’t getting the notice you thought it should or would. I imagine it strikes close to home with a lot of people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 10:58:03 GMT -5
This isn’t a Steve Austin type of story. Vince hated Austin because Vince wanted a more corporate friendly champion and Austin refused to conform. Vince had an amazing line one time where he said something like “you know why I don’t fire Stone Cold? Because he makes me richer!” The dynamic of that feud was entirely different.
Kofi is more of the working man who just does his job really well and doesn’t strive for greatness. Suddenly he realizes that greatness is within his grasp but the owner thinks his role is to be the guy who just does his job well. There is a racial element as well which I hope they expand on because it would make Kofi look even better, but Vince will likely avoid that due to offended idiots on Twitter who will spam sponsors crying about how offensive it is.
They are hitting this angle out of the park right now, and Kofi is the perfect character to do it with. I’ve said before New Day fits the 2003 HHH promo better than Booker ever did. “Dance for me”. “People like you are here to entertain people like me”. “People like you don’t get to be world champions”. That’s New Day in a nutshell. Their entire gimmick is to dance and pander to the crowd. Vince being the old racist is justified (in his mind) for thinking the way he does, and Kofi is more than justified in everyone’s mind. It’s an unintentional gold mine.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 13, 2019 11:13:56 GMT -5
I like they are.not making his character go " f*** THE SYSTEM,IM A REBEL". He still is the same Kofi ,except now he has a goal to focus on.
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Post by lookout on Mar 13, 2019 12:29:50 GMT -5
New Day even saying that they're toning down the antics for a bit due to this is pretty good storytelling. They realize they gotta start stepping on some toes. I love this and part of the reason this is so good is because it's a simple yet powerful story of a man busting his ass for a long damn time and getting what he and the fans think he has *earned*...and incorporating real life love and thoughts from his two closest friends. Everyone and anyone who has followed wwe/new day for any length of time knows how they feel about kofi and how it's always been their mission to see him become champion and i love that there is virtually no difference between what they have always said for real and what they are presenting here. Kofi said in an interview that in the gauntlet match where he screamed at aj about being there 11 years was a spur of the moment/not planned thing and real emotion and it gives me chills thinking about how that very real moment for him has helped lead us to this. We know that most storylines can't revolve around real life but man when they can and it's done right like this, there is nothing better. Assuming he actually wins the title at wrestlemania, For once it seems like vince is doing this one right. I have to give him a lot of credit too that he is putting himself in a situation where it's strongly implied that vince has held kofi down due to something other than his talent, like his race. In this day and age where the public is so highly emotional, especially when it comes to stuff like this, it takes some real guts to put the target on himself like this. I think it probably shows how much appreciation he really has for kofi that he's willing to have himself be labeled like that in order to make his moment even better.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 13, 2019 12:43:29 GMT -5
New Day even saying that they're toning down the antics for a bit due to this is pretty good storytelling. They realize they gotta start stepping on some toes. I love this and part of the reason this is so good is because it's a simple yet powerful story of a man busting his ass for a long damn time and getting what he and the fans think he has *earned*...and incorporating real life love and thoughts from his two closest friends. Everyone and anyone who has followed wwe/new day for any length of time knows how they feel about kofi and how it's always been their mission to see him become champion and i love that there is virtually no difference between what they have always said for real and what they are presenting here. Kofi said in an interview that in the gauntlet match where he screamed at aj about being there 11 years was a spur of the moment/not planned thing and real emotion and it gives me chills thinking about how that very real moment for him has helped lead us to this. We know that most storylines can't revolve around real life but man when they can and it's done right like this, there is nothing better. Assuming he actually wins the title at wrestlemania, For once it seems like vince is doing this one right. I have to give him a lot of credit too that he is putting himself in a situation where it's strongly implied that vince has held kofi down due to something other than his talent, like his race. In this day and age where the public is so highly emotional, especially when it comes to stuff like this, it takes some real guts to put the target on himself like this. I think it probably shows how much appreciation he really has for kofi that he's willing to have himself be labeled like that in order to make his moment even better. Vince has a lot of appreciation for Kofi
Hell, he didn't think the New Day heel turn would work because Kofi is too beloved as a babyface
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Post by the2ndevil on Mar 13, 2019 12:49:05 GMT -5
When I first started watching WWE for the first time in late 2009, Kofi was one of the first new to me guys I latched onto.
#Kofimania
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Post by salz4life on Mar 13, 2019 12:49:48 GMT -5
If Kofi is winning.... this has just become to good to not go on last. Put me on the team that believes this needs to go on last now.
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Post by BRV on Mar 13, 2019 12:58:01 GMT -5
This is my main event for Mania, I don't care where it's plaved on the card. This here is the whole reason I'm watching. I honestly want it in the first 2 hours while the crowd is still fully alive
If Kofi wins that would keep the place buzzing for a while
If I were booking WrestleMania, I'd open the show with this match. I know people have criticized the first match on the card as "curtain jerking" or whatever, but from my own experience, fans at a pay-per-view are peak buzzing at two matches: the first match on the card and the main event. Let Daniel Bryan and Kofi Kingston tear it up for about 20-25 minutes in front of a white-hot crowd that's just excited to see WrestleMania in person, then ride that emotional high from a Kofi victory into the middle of the card.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 13, 2019 13:02:25 GMT -5
New Day even saying that they're toning down the antics for a bit due to this is pretty good storytelling. They realize they gotta start stepping on some toes. That’s a very good callback to the very first New Day, well I guess proto-New Day segment when Xavier confronted Big E and Kofi after losing to Rybaxel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 13:02:52 GMT -5
From what I have learned from just wrestlers talking their viewpoints about shows , on a long show like WM it is far better to go on first because u get the crowd at their hottest.
instead of 12hrs later when they just wanna leave because they are tired , just wanna beat traffic etc.
so for Kofi and Bryan it would be far better for them to start the show
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Mar 13, 2019 13:04:33 GMT -5
I honestly want it in the first 2 hours while the crowd is still fully alive
If Kofi wins that would keep the place buzzing for a while
If I were booking WrestleMania, I'd open the show with this match. I know people have criticized the first match on the card as "curtain jerking" or whatever, but from my own experience, fans at a pay-per-view are peak buzzing at two matches: the first match on the card and the main event. Let Daniel Bryan and Kofi Kingston tear it up for about 20-25 minutes in front of a white-hot crowd that's just excited to see WrestleMania in person, then ride that emotional high from a Kofi victory into the middle of the card. 100% agree. Opening Mania is actually one of the best spots to have in my opinion. You get a hot crowd pretty much guaranteed. No one f***s up the amount of time you are originally given. I still believe they should've done this with Styles and Nakamura last year.
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Post by denna5 on Mar 13, 2019 13:07:13 GMT -5
I think why this is working so well is that their is acknowledgment that Kofi is talented, just Vince is saying he isn't main champion material.It sounds a lot like some fan's arguments about why Kofi isn't a main eventer, that Woods and Big E have propped him up, that he is a good hand but not one you build around and they are having Kofi counter it, pointing out how well he is doing, saying he is grateful for what he has been able to do but wanting to know what he needs to do to have this chance, that the people believe him. He is angry about it but not going to let that anger change who he is as a person and he is going to do what he has to do to get that shot. I really enjoy it cause Kofi still gets to be Kofi and the crowd is behind him for it
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Mar 13, 2019 13:17:45 GMT -5
I honestly want it in the first 2 hours while the crowd is still fully alive
If Kofi wins that would keep the place buzzing for a while
If I were booking WrestleMania, I'd open the show with this match. I know people have criticized the first match on the card as "curtain jerking" or whatever, but from my own experience, fans at a pay-per-view are peak buzzing at two matches: the first match on the card and the main event. Let Daniel Bryan and Kofi Kingston tear it up for about 20-25 minutes in front of a white-hot crowd that's just excited to see WrestleMania in person, then ride that emotional high from a Kofi victory into the middle of the card. I’d book Kofi’s match as the opener, Lesnar vs. Rollins for the halfway point, and the Raw Women’s Triple Threat to close the show. Emotional high to kick off things, then a match that could go either way in the middle, before the main event to cap off on a high note.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 13, 2019 13:40:15 GMT -5
I honestly want it in the first 2 hours while the crowd is still fully alive
If Kofi wins that would keep the place buzzing for a while
If I were booking WrestleMania, I'd open the show with this match. I know people have criticized the first match on the card as "curtain jerking" or whatever, but from my own experience, fans at a pay-per-view are peak buzzing at two matches: the first match on the card and the main event. Let Daniel Bryan and Kofi Kingston tear it up for about 20-25 minutes in front of a white-hot crowd that's just excited to see WrestleMania in person, then ride that emotional high from a Kofi victory into the middle of the card. Yea, that's why I said I rather have it during the first 2 hours while the crowd is still buzzing hot. Opening with the title match in a 25 min barnburner is what you should want and hope that momentum carries the show
Hell, what they should start doing is announcing the order of the matches like NJPW does. At least the crowd will an idea of what to expect
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 13, 2019 13:41:03 GMT -5
I think why this is working so well is that their is acknowledgment that Kofi is talented, just Vince is saying he isn't main champion material.It sounds a lot like some fan's arguments about why Kofi isn't a main eventer, that Woods and Big E have propped him up, that he is a good hand but not one you build around and they are having Kofi counter it, pointing out how well he is doing, saying he is grateful for what he has been able to do but wanting to know what he needs to do to have this chance, that the people believe him. He is angry about it but not going to let that anger change who he is as a person and he is going to do what he has to do to get that shot. I really enjoy it cause Kofi still gets to be Kofi and the crowd is behind him for it This right here is a good summary
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Post by Prince Petty on Mar 13, 2019 14:37:13 GMT -5
This storyline is (hopefully) evidence that wrestling doesn't need twists and turns and shocks to have fans be invested. At this stage, everyone is fairly confident that Kofi is not only getting that title match at Wrestlemania, but that he's winning. Even with Owens and Ali being thrown in as spoilers, the promos have made it clear what the end goal of this is.
As long as the WWE don't second guess and try to 'outsmart' the audience, then they've got a great Wrestlemania moment on their hands.
Then again, I'd have said the same about Becky a month ago, but they've done all they can to ruin that one, by over-complicating the story and trying to add elements of uncertainty.
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