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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 25, 2019 22:25:27 GMT -5
She still got a few more months before I call her OP, tho best believe come Summerslam if she was still killing people on the mic and in the ring this thread was coming As the person who started the Braun is OP thread, I disagree for now Yeah, there's still time, and you do raise a good point. It does make me wonder though, say if Becky does win clean at Mania, then what? Part of why her heavy kayfabe social media style resonates is that in targeting Ronda/Charlotte she's seen as 'punching up', but post-Mania it will be punching down, and we already saw in her brief feud with Asuka that her social media doesn't work as well when its against someone else smarks sympathise with.
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Post by tenshi on Mar 25, 2019 22:26:09 GMT -5
Ever since SummerSlam, Becky has lost by pinfall or submission once to Asuka and people already forgot about that about an hour or so later when Becky won the Royal Rumble. To me, one of the big problems with the feud is that Becky feels head and shoulders superior to Ronda and Charlotte already, considering that Becky mocks them on the microphone, on social media, punks them out in the ring and they just... stand there like goofs, doing nothing. If Becky has had the upper hand over both of them (sometimes even at the same time, if Elimination Chamber is anything to go by) and she gets most of the best hits in before WrestleMania, what makes you think that the big match is going to go differently? Of course Becky would be the favorite to win. She has been beating Ronda and Charlotte for most of the feud and they either don't retaliate or their retaliation falls flat. Why would anyone expect anything other than Becky winning at WrestleMania?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 22:28:05 GMT -5
Ever since SummerSlam, Becky has lost by pinfall or submission once to Asuka and people already forgot about that about an hour or so later when Becky won the Royal Rumble. To me, one of the big problems with the feud is that Becky feels head and shoulders superior to Ronda and Charlotte already, considering that Becky mocks them on the microphone, on social media, punks them out in the ring and they just... stand there like goofs, doing nothing. If Becky has had the upper hand over both of them (sometimes even at the same time, if Elimination Chamber is anything to go by) and she gets most of the best hits in before WrestleMania, what makes you think that the big match is going to go differently? Of course Becky would be the favorite to win. She has been beating Ronda and Charlotte for most of the feud and they either don't retaliate or their retaliation falls flat. Why would anyone expect anything other than Becky winning at WrestleMania? Charlotte hasn't won a single's match via pin or submission since November and that was against one of the IIconics. Before that it was September against Sonya. Out of all 3 women Charlotte's the one who's looked the weakest. It says a lot because for as weak as she's looked people still see her as a world builder who can crush everyone. I see all of these "but Charlotte might win omg" comments from people but I'm like "but she hasn't won in such a long time do yall not understand the story?" each time.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 25, 2019 22:29:23 GMT -5
She still got a few more months before I call her OP, tho best believe come Summerslam if she was still killing people on the mic and in the ring this thread was coming As the person who started the Braun is OP thread, I disagree for now Yeah, there's still time, and you do raise a good point. It does make me wonder though, say if Becky does win clean at Mania, then what? Part of why her heavy kayfabe social media style resonates is that in targeting Ronda/Charlotte she's seen as 'punching up', but post-Mania it will be punching down, and we already saw in her brief feud with Asuka that her social media doesn't work as well when its against someone else smarks sympathise with. Her first feud is most likely against someone like Nia Jax who would be an easy target for her and someone they can put heat on in regards to her getting double teamed by Nia and Tamina and still coming back to fight each week. Now if she is standing tall against them each week then that could create a problem
As far as after that? Who knows? Becky is an interesting position where she can play face and do heel depending on the opponents. I'd like to see her heel it up against someone like Ember and drop the title to her when the time is right
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Post by masterthought on Mar 25, 2019 22:29:42 GMT -5
Beating Liv Morgan in a minute doesn't make someone OP. Sorry Ummm.... OP. Becky won with a roll up FFS. Mandy beat Becky with a roll up last year in 2 minutes. That's not OP. Liv isn't even the strongest Riott Squad. Becky, Ronda and Charlotte are all OP because that's what they do with the stars. Becky is the face so naturally she wins.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 25, 2019 22:30:34 GMT -5
These threads are probably the most annoying threads on this entire board... nothing against the OP but lord I can't stand them.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 25, 2019 22:31:38 GMT -5
Ever since SummerSlam, Becky has lost by pinfall or submission once to Asuka and people already forgot about that about an hour or so later when Becky won the Royal Rumble. To me, one of the big problems with the feud is that Becky feels head and shoulders superior to Ronda and Charlotte already, considering that Becky mocks them on the microphone, on social media, punks them out in the ring and they just... stand there like goofs, doing nothing. If Becky has had the upper hand over both of them (sometimes even at the same time, if Elimination Chamber is anything to go by) and she gets most of the best hits in before WrestleMania, what makes you think that the big match is going to go differently? Of course Becky would be the favorite to win. She has been beating Ronda and Charlotte for most of the feud and they either don't retaliate or their retaliation falls flat. Why would anyone expect anything other than Becky winning at WrestleMania? Charlotte hasn't won a single's match via pin or submission since November and that was against one of the IIconics. Before that it was September against Sonya. Out of all 3 women Charlotte's the one who's looked the weakest. It says a lot because for as weak as she's looked people still see her as a world builder who can crush everyone. I see all of these "but Charlotte might win omg" comments from people but I'm like "but she hasn't won in such a long time do yall not understand the story?" each time. Perception is a bitch
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 22:32:05 GMT -5
Man dude,just block me and be done,I can even awnser you something without some accusation. None of my statement are false. The way you made your post makes it seem like you lumped the AJ Styles OP booking with the Braun,the whole context of this thread makes it seens like Braun being OP was an issue to his overness so I just wante to add a note about it. But serious you are into some deep paranoia stuff.Imma keep it a bean with ya.
But they are false. Earlier today I made a comment, you responded to me (when I wasn't even talking to you) and you said that Charlotte's moonsault wouldn't pop a WM crowd, I said that's false and linked you an actual video of every moonsault she's done and the crowd popped every time (including some she's done at WM) and afterwards I asked for receipts towards your statement which you didn't provide, you're just making up a false statement to be anti-Charlotte at that point because you're anti-Charlotte and have been since she was announced for this match. Don't think people don't see how you've been towards this women's WM main event feud. Now in this case, you're assuming I said something when really if you look at my post I didn't say that and rather than saying "my bad man, I mistook what you said" you're acting like I'm the one in the wrong here when the truth is nah, you got an issue with this whole Becky/Charlotte/Ronda thing. You, someone who's extremely pro-Becky and anti-Charlotte, are finding any reason to argue anything against what you believe down to creating false claims that you just can't back up.
And this isn't the first time you've done this.
You need to stop responding to my posts because I don't entertain people who lie about statements just to argue with others simply because they're invested in a feud. If you got a problem with that hit me up via PM to voice your displeasure because honestly I've actually been avoiding a lot of your responses to me due to your attitude but you keep responding for some reason. There's a point where people can talk on a forum about what they like and dislike and you passed that months ago when this whole Becky/Charlotte/Ronda thing started to pick up. Nah, I can't talk to you any more about any of these women. See me in PM if you got an issue bruh bruh.
God bless.
Yeh i'm gonna leave it at that because if anyone has an attitude problem is you. I didnt even see who I was responding to,but every time i awnser you regardless of tone you are rude or accusing of something,either accusing me of shit I didnt do, being dismissive,calling people objectively wrong and in denial by not liking something,being snarky with gifs. The issue is all on your head man. I backed up everything I said (if you want the charlotte one,the one match,i think Rumble,where Charlotte and Shirai did the moonsault,one got much more reaction) and just stopped going further because you are rude every time. I'm not here to argue,just talk some wrassling and you ake it as something personal to your opinion. The only time i got over my head with the topic is when i tried to answer waaay too many people and I admitely came off way too heated. But youa rent you one to talk,you act like a jerk to many other people on the sames thread. Dude,it wa sone thing saying "my bad ,i mistook it" which was pretty much wha it said,i just answered what I interpreted from your message ,YOU could have said "Yeh I know, I think you mistook" something instead of getting accusatory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 22:34:29 GMT -5
She still got a few more months before I call her OP, tho best believe come Summerslam if she was still killing people on the mic and in the ring this thread was coming As the person who started the Braun is OP thread, I disagree for now Yeah, there's still time, and you do raise a good point. It does make me wonder though, say if Becky does win clean at Mania, then what? Part of why her heavy kayfabe social media style resonates is that in targeting Ronda/Charlotte she's seen as 'punching up', but post-Mania it will be punching down, and we already saw in her brief feud with Asuka that her social media doesn't work as well when its against someone else smarks sympathise with. I think Ronda Rousey's taking the loss and hitting the bricks is perfect timing for Shayna Baszler to come in and make Becky's life difficult. Another thing they could do is turn Sasha heel and have her and Becky go at it for a while. Becky's brand of hard truths can probably do well to wake Sasha's character up a little and their feud could help Sasha develop an edge again. I do think though that with Becky as champion WWE ought to work hard to give her honest to god challengers. You don't want her wrestling the Riott Squad and people like that too much. I think the funnest thing about Becky's character right now is her penchant for a good fight and her being lined up against characters that wanna fight her back just as hard.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 22:34:38 GMT -5
These threads are probably the most annoying threads on this entire board... nothing against the OP but lord I can't stand them. I still say its the bitch thread,but they are pretty neck in neck.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 22:35:50 GMT -5
But yeah, the best thing about The Man character is it works with her as both a face and a heel. I just don't see someone like Ruby Riott, as much as I like her, winning crowds over against Becky. It'd have to be someone like Asuka (even though Becky's pops were bigger than hers during the Rumble stuff) or Kairi Sane. MAYBE Toni Storm if they do that match, which a lot of people have been wanting to see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 22:36:11 GMT -5
I didn't see what happened tonight but it's gotta be less bullshit than her shrugging off being on one leg and being sneak-attacked to leave Charlotte screaming in pain on the go-home to Fastlane.
Also I'm not inclined to count the Asuka match for anything given how they've gone out of their way to avoid even slightly mentioning it since and Asuka's all but completely vanished in the aftermath of it. A clean loss doesn't really mean anything if they refuse to acknowledge it happened.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 25, 2019 22:36:17 GMT -5
Here we f***ing go....
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 25, 2019 22:36:46 GMT -5
Ever since SummerSlam, Becky has lost by pinfall or submission once to Asuka and people already forgot about that about an hour or so later when Becky won the Royal Rumble. To me, one of the big problems with the feud is that Becky feels head and shoulders superior to Ronda and Charlotte already, considering that Becky mocks them on the microphone, on social media, punks them out in the ring and they just... stand there like goofs, doing nothing. If Becky has had the upper hand over both of them (sometimes even at the same time, if Elimination Chamber is anything to go by) and she gets most of the best hits in before WrestleMania, what makes you think that the big match is going to go differently? Of course Becky would be the favorite to win. She has been beating Ronda and Charlotte for most of the feud and they either don't retaliate or their retaliation falls flat. Why would anyone expect anything other than Becky winning at WrestleMania? Charlotte hasn't won a single's match via pin or submission since November and that was against one of the IIconics. Before that it was September against Sonya. Out of all 3 women Charlotte's the one who's looked the weakest. It says a lot because for as weak as she's looked people still see her as a world builder who can crush everyone. I see all of these "but Charlotte might win omg" comments from people but I'm like "but she hasn't won in such a long time do yall not understand the story?" each time.
Plus that September match (like her August win vs Carmella) featured Becky laying her out after the match.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 22:37:27 GMT -5
Charlotte hasn't won a single's match via pin or submission since November and that was against one of the IIconics. Before that it was September against Sonya. Out of all 3 women Charlotte's the one who's looked the weakest. It says a lot because for as weak as she's looked people still see her as a world builder who can crush everyone. I see all of these "but Charlotte might win omg" comments from people but I'm like "but she hasn't won in such a long time do yall not understand the story?" each time. Perception is a bitch Yep it really is. Charlotte honed in on the perception of her and made that her character and it's working well for her. These threads are probably the most annoying threads on this entire board... nothing against the OP but lord I can't stand them. I gotta disagree with that personally. I'd say the "(insert wrestler) is OP" threads are way better than the "aughhhhh I hate this crap what are they doing?" threads because these have actual discussion. Even on the first page, with people who disagree, there's actual discussion as to why people think that way. In general it's less hostile and more of a discussion rather than an emotional feeling. Now you compare that to the "angry at the company and product" threads, they're more volatile, less discussion and there's really no point rather than whining. At least in these we can have discussion as to what's real and what's not. Plus that September match (like her August win vs Carmella) featured Becky laying her out after the match.
Yep, I forgot about that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 22:37:44 GMT -5
What, the usual glut of people who think if someone says anything at all bad about someone popular it means they now actively dislike them?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 25, 2019 22:39:17 GMT -5
Yep it really is. Charlotte honed in on the perception of her and made that her character and it's working well for her. These threads are probably the most annoying threads on this entire board... nothing against the OP but lord I can't stand them. I gotta disagree with that personally. I'd say the "(insert wrestler) is OP" threads are way better than the "aughhhhh I hate this crap what are they doing?" threads because they have actual discussion. Even on the first page, with people who disagree, there's actual discussion as to why people think that way. In general it's less hostile. Now you compare that to the "angry at the company and product" threads, they're more volatile, less discussion and there's really no point rather than whining. At least in these we can have discussion as to what's real and what's not. Except you don't. You just dismiss any and all arguments with "Nah, brah, these are the FACTS", and argue in circles for ten pages until the thread gets locked.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 22:40:52 GMT -5
What, the usual glut of people who think if someone says anything at all bad about someone popular it means they now actively dislike them? Yeh to be fair to OP(which i wasnt) he didnt put it in a too negative of a light.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 25, 2019 22:41:17 GMT -5
Not even, just because a wrestler is popular doesn't mean you can't discuss their character and what you like and don't like about it
Like my Braun thread, I would hope this is about discussion
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 22:45:11 GMT -5
Not even, just because a wrestler is popular doesn't mean you can't discuss their character and what you like and don't like about it Like my Braun thread, I would hope this is about discussion
I think it is more about what happens than the intent. Anyway, focusing into a good discusison is the right thing to do. You have also to wonder how long Becky whole "lovable loser for years" can hold some of her strong push. Like how Charlotte is still the "overpushed" despite not winning anything for months, Becky still has that "can lose any second" aura about her ,even if faintly.
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