Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 12:32:12 GMT -5
Mar 26, 2019 15:16:11 GMT -5 @kn said:
Mar 26, 2019 15:05:46 GMT -5 @awataurne said:
I mean her tapping clean does when the conversation is about how she appears like she cannot lose. Ignoring it leaves a huge hole in the conversation. Yes, it was minor overall because the major story this year is about Becky, not Asuka. Becky getting hot does not excuse that they've done nothing with Asuka since but that's hardly Becky's fault.In the end, you may have a different tolerance for an OP character than others. I would have loved to see Braun kick ass for a few more years destroying people. Undertaker made a career out of it. Seems we just want different things out of our wrestling. I'm fine with OP characters so long as they're written well and are interesting.
When we say guys are OP, we're not factoring Taker into this. Mind you, Taker wasn't outsmarting, outrunning and completely destroying people. He was getting his wins but Taker had weaknesses the opponents could abuse. Taker, in most feuds, wasn't the aggressor. He dealt with what the opponent was doing, caught up to them and whooped their ass. The opponent could get their promos off while Taker didn't say much, the opponents could be entertaining, they could outrun him, they could taunt him, they could do a ton of stuff before Taker rolled around. Taker was great because given his supernatural skills he could just pop up when needed.
Strowman...dude was the aggressor. Strowman outsmarted smart heels like The Miz, he was outrunning Cruiserweights like Kalisto, he was outpowering everyone on the roster, he shut up promos just by threatening all the heels mid-promo, he was aggressive, he made guys look bad. That's just far different from Taker because Taker he didn't need to do much. Strowman, man dude was one of a kind.
The big difference between us and you are when we mention OP guys, we're not doing it solely for the OP guy, we're looking at the Kalitos, the KOs, those guys because they need help when everything of theirs is shut down. These threads are less about the character in the OP but more about who they face because if you get everything shut down then what can you do? At that point they gotta pray their next feud is with someone who can build them up since they need a lot of building. Yeah it's entertaining at times, Strowman was entertaining but I'm looking at the guy he crushed and thinking "damn what do you do next?" Owens, that guy's had some booking issues but that Strowman feud might have been his worst one.
What weaknesses did Taker have? Braun ran really fast and couldn't stop himself easily so his weakness was the same as a ton of Super Nintendo mid-game bosses. That could be abused. Taker was an undead wizard with a druid cult who could appear wherever he wanted, shoot lightning bolts, conjur fire, endure almost any pain. I actually do not know what weaknesses you are referring to. I do not understand what you mean by overpowered clearly because the idea that Becky Lynch is overpowered but Undertaker is not is baffling to me.
You can say it hurt them to be destroyed by Braun but if he destroys everyone then how does that make them look bad? Lesnar has made 1 person look bad in matches since he returned and that was Ambrose. Are you going to say that Bryan, Balor, Styles, etc looked bad losing to Lesnar? That Lesnar being OP took away their star power?
Braun is no longer OP. This is something you are happy about but what did that do for everyone else? Braun no longer being OP has not in any way fixed the issues you see with the lower card. All it has done is make Braun less over so when he does feud with someone instead of that other person not being on Strowman's level and people cheering their destruction, we have no one really caring which is the worst thing that can happen. Now that person can get a little bit more offense in and then lose and no one cares.
I will end this post with the same statement I made in my prior one (and the one before that... it keeps getting ignored for whatever reason). An OP character in wrestling is absolutely fine so long as the writing is good. Strowman destroying shit was awesome for a year and could have been great for many more such as it was with Taker for years. The writing suffered and then instead of asking for better writing you just wanted to take away a character's power in order to put them more in line when you could easily just have better writing and things would be fine. People loved the Lesnar matches with Bryan, Styles, and Balor. Those matches wouldn't have been the same without Lesnar being that OP character. The writing for those matches was great because the smaller guys found believable ways to take down the bigger guy and make you believe they could win it. Lesnar as an OP character worked in those matches fine. He is more overpowered than Strowman but they still worked. It is possible.
In the end I honestly believe we both actually want the same thing and generally agree on the issues that were there with Strowman. The weird issue is you're fixated on the term "OP" and having it mean EXACTLY what you want it to and nothing else. I find the idea that Becky Lynch is a more overpowered wrestling character than the Undertaker somewhat absurd and I find the idea that the Undertaker wasn't an overpowered wrestling character at all to be downright wrong.