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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 22:45:34 GMT -5
Except you don't. You just dismiss any and all arguments with "Nah, brah, these are the FACTS", and argue in circles for ten pages until the thread gets locked. ?
We can bring any of these "-are OP" threads and post receipts towards what we're saying. If you disagree then disagree but if you don't got receipts, you're lying about the fact the package was opened when you bought it. One thing about these "-are OP" threads are those who say people are OP...we've actually got proof whether it's clips, full videos, matches, we've got proof. If for some reason you think that isn't proof then I don't know what to tell you. You can't dispute video evidence no matter how hard you disagree with the statement lol.
I think at the end of the day you dislike it because rather than debating the evidence provided, you just didn't care about what people said. That's not how arguments work. You can only go so far talking about feelings when an actual video's posted with a guy mowing down an entire division.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 25, 2019 22:47:44 GMT -5
Except you don't. You just dismiss any and all arguments with "Nah, brah, these are the FACTS", and argue in circles for ten pages until the thread gets locked. ?
We can bring any of these "-are OP" threads and post receipts towards what we're saying. If you disagree then disagree but if you don't got receipts, you're lying about the fact the package was opened when you bought it. One thing about these "-are OP" threads are those who say people are OP...we've actually got proof whether it's clips, full videos, matches, we've got proof. If for some reason you think that isn't proof then I don't know what to tell you. You can't dispute video evidence no matter how hard you disagree with the statement lol.
I think at the end of the day you dislike it because rather than debating the evidence provided, you just didn't care about what people said. That's not how arguments work. You can only go so far talking about feelings when an actual video's posted with a guy mowing down an entire division.
And that's your perception, doesn't make them facts. Point is, no matter what you think about them "mowing down an entire division", the only thing that matters is how the crowd reacts to them. Period. As long as the crowds are reacting to Becky, she's doing fine. "OP" is not a thing in wrestling.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 25, 2019 22:49:12 GMT -5
Not even, just because a wrestler is popular doesn't mean you can't discuss their character and what you like and don't like about it Like my Braun thread, I would hope this is about discussion
I think it is more about what happens than the intent. Anyway, focusing into a good discusison is the right thing to do. You have also to wonder how long Becky whole "lovable loser for years" can hold some of her strong push. Like how Charlotte is still the "overpushed" despite not winning anything for months, Becky still has that "can lose any second" aura about her ,even if faintly. The problem with intent is people ain't trying hear that shit sometimes lol
I said throughout the whole Braun thread, I don't hate him at all but that's what people perceived when you make a thread about someone being OP
I've been on record on here already saying Becky will potentially get OP if they don't slow her down as she's injured and still whooping ass. Her clean loss to Asuka can be blamed on creative in terms of a follow up but it is pretty obvious in hindsight the match ended up being more about Becky (losing and still winning the Rumble) than it was about Asuka tapping her out clean
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 25, 2019 22:50:09 GMT -5
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We can bring any of these "-are OP" threads and post receipts towards what we're saying. If you disagree then disagree but if you don't got receipts, you're lying about the fact the package was opened when you bought it. One thing about these "-are OP" threads are those who say people are OP...we've actually got proof whether it's clips, full videos, matches, we've got proof. If for some reason you think that isn't proof then I don't know what to tell you. You can't dispute video evidence no matter how hard you disagree with the statement lol.
I think at the end of the day you dislike it because rather than debating the evidence provided, you just didn't care about what people said. That's not how arguments work. You can only go so far talking about feelings when an actual video's posted with a guy mowing down an entire division.
And that's your perception, doesn't make them facts. Point is, no matter what you think about them "mowing down an entire division", the only thing that matters is how the crowd reacts to them. Period. As long as the crowds are reacting to Becky, she's doing fine. "OP" is not a thing in wrestling. Nah I disagree with that
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 22:51:17 GMT -5
I think it is more about what happens than the intent. Anyway, focusing into a good discusison is the right thing to do. You have also to wonder how long Becky whole "lovable loser for years" can hold some of her strong push. Like how Charlotte is still the "overpushed" despite not winning anything for months, Becky still has that "can lose any second" aura about her ,even if faintly. The problem with intent is people ain't trying hear that shit sometimes lol I said throughout the whole Braun thread, I don't hate him at all but that's what people perceived when you make a thread about someone being OP I've been on record on here already saying Becky will potentially get OP if they don't slow her down as she's injured and still whooping ass. Her clean loss to Asuka can be blamed on creative in terms of a follow up but it is pretty obvious in hindsight the match ended up being more about Becky (losing and still winning the Rumble) than it was about Asuka tapping her out clean
Yeh I found weird no one called out Becky on tapping out.(unless I missed,I havent kept up closely with everything). Hopefully it just mean they are making tapping out less taboo. But does that mean Asuka is OP?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 22:54:07 GMT -5
And that's your perception, doesn't make them facts. Point is, no matter what you think about them "mowing down an entire division" , the only thing that matters is how the crowd reacts to them. Period. As long as the crowds are reacting to Becky, she's doing fine. "OP" is not a thing in wrestling. Bruh, are you serious right now?
You really don't really believe that right? That's the same attitude the company has towards a heel being booed and the heel "doing fine."
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 25, 2019 22:54:28 GMT -5
The problem with intent is people ain't trying hear that shit sometimes lol I said throughout the whole Braun thread, I don't hate him at all but that's what people perceived when you make a thread about someone being OP I've been on record on here already saying Becky will potentially get OP if they don't slow her down as she's injured and still whooping ass. Her clean loss to Asuka can be blamed on creative in terms of a follow up but it is pretty obvious in hindsight the match ended up being more about Becky (losing and still winning the Rumble) than it was about Asuka tapping her out clean
Yeh I found weird no one called out Becky on tapping out.(unless I missed,I havent kept up closely with everything). Hopefully it just mean they are making tapping out less taboo. But does that mean Asuka is OP? Lol na she's losing matches to the IIconics
If WWE wanted to make Asuka a big deal they would been hyping that up still to this day. Asuka tapped out Becky Lynch who beat the bricks off Charlotte for months and is currently in a feud with Ronda "The Baddest Bitch On The Planet" ROusey but nope it is forgotten
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 25, 2019 23:00:21 GMT -5
Yep it really is. Charlotte honed in on the perception of her and made that her character and it's working well for her. These threads are probably the most annoying threads on this entire board... nothing against the OP but lord I can't stand them. I gotta disagree with that personally. I'd say the "(insert wrestler) is OP" threads are way better than the "aughhhhh I hate this crap what are they doing?" threads because these have actual discussion. Even on the first page, with people who disagree, there's actual discussion as to why people think that way. In general it's less hostile and more of a discussion rather than an emotional feeling. Now you compare that to the "angry at the company and product" threads, they're more volatile, less discussion and there's really no point rather than whining. At least in these we can have discussion as to what's real and what's not. Plus that September match (like her August win vs Carmella) featured Becky laying her out after the match.
Yep, I forgot about that.
Yeah, it was such a good feud (I'd say its a big reason behind this Mania main event, they were the main story on SDL for months and did an excellent job of it before putting on the MOTY at Evolution) that its easy to forget how lopsided the booking was with Becky beating Charlotte up week after week. Across the 12 weeks from Summerslam to Evolution, the only time Charlotte got the upper hand in a segment was on the SSD go-home. (The No-DQ match on SDL was a draw with the spear through the SDL set laying both out.)
I should add, at least the booking did its job in putting Becky over, I just feel its worth acknowledging the booking exists.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 23:03:41 GMT -5
Yep it really is. Charlotte honed in on the perception of her and made that her character and it's working well for her. I gotta disagree with that personally. I'd say the "(insert wrestler) is OP" threads are way better than the "aughhhhh I hate this crap what are they doing?" threads because these have actual discussion. Even on the first page, with people who disagree, there's actual discussion as to why people think that way. In general it's less hostile and more of a discussion rather than an emotional feeling. Now you compare that to the "angry at the company and product" threads, they're more volatile, less discussion and there's really no point rather than whining. At least in these we can have discussion as to what's real and what's not. Yep, I forgot about that. Yeah, it was such a good feud (I'd say its a big reason behind this Mania main event, they were the main story on SDL for months and did an excellent job of it before putting on the MOTY at Evolution) that its easy to forget how lopsided the booking was with Becky beating Charlotte up week after week. Across the 12 weeks from Summerslam to Evolution, the only time Charlotte got the upper hand in a segment was on the SSD go-home. (The No-DQ match on SDL was a draw with the spear through the SDL set laying both out.)
I should add, at least the booking did its job in putting Becky over, I just feel its worth acknowledging the booking exists.
It was a case of Charlotte having years of super booking and the everyone simply wanting to see it happen.It was like watching Vince being taken down by Steve at every corner. It was satisfying to see it happen every time. Even if it really is getting to the point separating both into different shows,save it for special ocassions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 23:04:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it was such a good feud (I'd say its a big reason behind this Mania main event, they were the main story on SDL for months and did an excellent job of it before putting on the MOTY at Evolution) that its easy to forget how lopsided the booking was with Becky beating Charlotte up week after week. Across the 12 weeks from Summerslam to Evolution, the only time Charlotte got the upper hand in a segment was on the SSD go-home. (The No-DQ match on SDL was a draw with the spear through the SDL set laying both out.)
I should add, at least the booking did its job in putting Becky over, I just feel its worth acknowledging the booking exists.
Charlotte/Becky's going to go down in WWE's history books as the female Rock/Austin. Each time they lock up it works, we just need them to cool off a bit after this feud but in general this feud's done 2 things: it's gotten Charlotte over as a heel and has improved her heel character as a whole and it's gotten Becky as the lead female babyface.
Ronda's the only person who entered this feud looking worse than she did prior. Becky and Charlotte are above what they were prior to Becky's heel turn. After this WM main event they'll be legends.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 23:07:37 GMT -5
Yeah, it was such a good feud (I'd say its a big reason behind this Mania main event, they were the main story on SDL for months and did an excellent job of it before putting on the MOTY at Evolution) that its easy to forget how lopsided the booking was with Becky beating Charlotte up week after week. Across the 12 weeks from Summerslam to Evolution, the only time Charlotte got the upper hand in a segment was on the SSD go-home. (The No-DQ match on SDL was a draw with the spear through the SDL set laying both out.)
I should add, at least the booking did its job in putting Becky over, I just feel its worth acknowledging the booking exists.
Charlotte/Becky's going to go down in WWE's history books as the female Rock/Austin. Each time they lock up it works, we just need them to cool off a bit after this feud but in general this feud's done 2 things: it's gotten Charlotte over as a heel and has improved her heel character as a whole and it's gotten Becky as the lead female babyface.
Ronda's the only person who entered this feud looking worse than she did prior. Becky and Charlotte are above what they were prior to Becky's heel turn. After this WM main event they'll be legends.
I've really enjoyed the Becky/Charlotte feud as it's been happening, but I think in time it's going to go down as a really important feud for WWE. They not only elevated the title with their performances, but showed that two women can be the flat out best performers in the whole company. And that was with them trying to make Becky the heel and Charlotte the face for the first couple months.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 23:11:29 GMT -5
Charlotte/Becky's going to go down in WWE's history books as the female Rock/Austin. Each time they lock up it works, we just need them to cool off a bit after this feud but in general this feud's done 2 things: it's gotten Charlotte over as a heel and has improved her heel character as a whole and it's gotten Becky as the lead female babyface.
Ronda's the only person who entered this feud looking worse than she did prior. Becky and Charlotte are above what they were prior to Becky's heel turn. After this WM main event they'll be legends.
I've really enjoyed the Becky/Charlotte feud as it's been happening, but I think in time it's going to go down as a really important feud for WWE. They not only elevated the title with their performances, but showed that two women can be the flat out best performers in the whole company. As much as I love them they gotta stay away from each other for the next 2-3 years after this WM main event. With that said, I'd be surprised if they didn't do the "Cena and Orton stare down" thing in future Rumbles or even Team Survivor Series matches. I want them to stay away from that crap too. You've got Asuka, Alexa, Naomi, many other women out there to work with so by the time they do lock it up again it won't be wasted. But the company these days, they care so much about moments. Guaranteed we're gonna see these 2 do one of those annoying staredowns just to do it. They blow their load quickly.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 23:17:51 GMT -5
Charlotte/Becky's going to go down in WWE's history books as the female Rock/Austin. Each time they lock up it works, we just need them to cool off a bit after this feud but in general this feud's done 2 things: it's gotten Charlotte over as a heel and has improved her heel character as a whole and it's gotten Becky as the lead female babyface.
Ronda's the only person who entered this feud looking worse than she did prior. Becky and Charlotte are above what they were prior to Becky's heel turn. After this WM main event they'll be legends.
I've really enjoyed the Becky/Charlotte feud as it's been happening, but I think in time it's going to go down as a really important feud for WWE. They not only elevated the title with their performances, but showed that two women can be the flat out best performers in the whole company. And that was with them trying to make Becky the heel and Charlotte the face for the first couple months. I'm still surprised WWE ended up doing the double turn. They are not know for going with the flow of the crowds. And hey it worked out great soo...do it more often?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 25, 2019 23:28:01 GMT -5
I find it weird when this criticism comes up for presently popular characters. Like, maybe the strength of their booking is helping bolster their popularity. Why is that a bad thing? It was the same thing with Braun, he was most popular when he was crushing everything around him. Now he's just some generic Big Show expy. Real shit. You want stars, you better be ready to deal with everything that comes in promoting them
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 25, 2019 23:34:07 GMT -5
The aces SHOULD be OP. That's the point.
Like Futurama's whole thing when Bender became a wrestler where the promoter explained the most popular wrestler gets booked to win the most. This is what ypu do. Character gets hot. You have them win to make fans happy. Move on to a new babyface when needed or as the story dictates to have more top guys.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 25, 2019 23:35:41 GMT -5
I find it weird when this criticism comes up for presently popular characters. Like, maybe the strength of their booking is helping bolster their popularity. Why is that a bad thing? It was the same thing with Braun, he was most popular when he was crushing everything around him. Now he's just some generic Big Show expy. Real shit. You want stars, you better be ready to deal with everything that comes in promoting them For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 25, 2019 23:36:56 GMT -5
She literally should be. Like, we don't need another massively over top babyface nerfed for no reason.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 25, 2019 23:37:52 GMT -5
Real shit. You want stars, you better be ready to deal with everything that comes in promoting them For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work. The difference is that people want her to win.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 23:37:56 GMT -5
Real shit. You want stars, you better be ready to deal with everything that comes in promoting them For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work. I always said Reigns it was a case of he isnt good enough for his booking. well maybe if Becky main events 4 WM in a row she gets some backlash
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 23:39:15 GMT -5
The aces SHOULD be OP. That's the point. Like Futurama's whole thing when Bender became a wrestler where the promoter explained the most popular wrestler gets booked to win the most. This is what ypu do. Character gets hot. You have them win to make fans happy. Move on to a new babyface when needed or as the story dictates to have more top guys. I think after years of Reigns and Charlotte people associated too much with winning a lot being use to try and make the character the ace. Instead of being the opposite.
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