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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 25, 2019 23:40:10 GMT -5
Real shit. You want stars, you better be ready to deal with everything that comes in promoting them For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work. You’re always gonna have people that actively root against the person winning all the time. If the internet existed and Bruno was forced to be on tv several times a month, some folks would be so upset Bruno won every title match
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Post by Starshine on Mar 25, 2019 23:40:29 GMT -5
Real shit. You want stars, you better be ready to deal with everything that comes in promoting them For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work. It's because one was actually cheered by a majority of the audience, while the others were decidedly split and negatively received by the majority respectively. If it's working, there's no reason to change the booking. If it isn't, the presentation is a legitimate criticism.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 23:41:57 GMT -5
For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work. You’re always gonna have people that actively root against the person winning all the time. If the internet existed and Bruno was forced to be on tv several times a month, some folks would be so upset Bruno won every title match While true this isnt the only reason.As pointed above This reminds me of a Smash player ,ZeRo ,that won 54 tournaments in a row,dropping no games. Dude was a goofy sweet guy. But he consistently got hate because he won so much,its insane how much it can escalate
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 25, 2019 23:43:46 GMT -5
For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work. The difference is that people want her to win. I'm not disputing that, I mean, I felt like that was the explicit point I was making. People are fine with Lynch winning all the time because of things like her character work and other things that meant there is a stronger connection there. Cena and Reigns had their established, well-liked characters fiddled with as they became aces, thus they had that connection weakened and people gravitated towards other contenders.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 23:45:14 GMT -5
For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work. At the end of the day it's all about how it made the other superstars look. With Cena, he didn't make his opponents look great. They wore him down at times but the reality is that a Cena feud only made you look ok for a lil bit. AJ Styles and Punk are 2 of the only guys who broke that cycle and that's mostly due to who they are as people. Reigns, people looked like shit against Reigns minus a few. AJ Styles is one of them who overcame. Basically, if Becky can make her opponent look good when she can win all the time and even if she wins there's going to be less backlash. If she makes people look like crap (like Strowman did) then there's going to be an issue. Styles (when he had his year long reign) made his opponents look decent most of the time until people caught on that he was still holding the belt. If it was someone else who couldn't do that there'd be an issue. How you are as a character is important, how the people view you is important but what goes along with that is how you treat those you're in the ring with. If you make someone look trash who the fans like, that's not good for you and that can be the beginning of fans booing you. That's the thing about being champion and it's one reason why HBK was a great one. One reason why Rock was a great one. They made their opponents look amazing. There's a way to be the strongest on the roster, rarely lose and make your opponent look as great as possible. If Becky's great enough she can do it. If she's not? Then she's not great enough. If others can do it then it's possible for everyone else to reach that level.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 25, 2019 23:46:03 GMT -5
You’re always gonna have people that actively root against the person winning all the time. If the internet existed and Bruno was forced to be on tv several times a month, some folks would be so upset Bruno won every title match While true this isnt the only reason.As pointed above This reminds me of a Smash player ,ZeRo ,that won 54 tournaments in a row,dropping no games. Dude was a goofy sweet guy. But he consistently got hate because he won so much,its insane how much it can escalate Oh absolutely, that’s certainly not the only reason. Cena and Roman was a number of things that resulted in the presentation garnering negative responses
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 23:49:14 GMT -5
While true this isnt the only reason.As pointed above This reminds me of a Smash player ,ZeRo ,that won 54 tournaments in a row,dropping no games. Dude was a goofy sweet guy. But he consistently got hate because he won so much,its insane how much it can escalate Oh absolutely, that’s certainly not the only reason. Cena and Roman was a number of things that resulted in the presentation garnering negative responses another associated reason is that people become angry with things they cant understand. ( been guilty myself) like with stuff like twilight. People didn't understand the appeal or how it can be popular,so they get angry. Same with pushes ,people do get WHY that guy is winning and getting pushed over another,so they get angry
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 25, 2019 23:49:49 GMT -5
To be fair, I don’t think being OP matters if the show is actually good all around. The Rock and Stone Cold was OP as shit, but WWF was f***ing amazing during those 4 years, so did it really matter that Triple H and Kurt Angle looked kinda weaker than those two? Not really.
Now when the booking sucks and the show is awful it sticks out like a sore thumb. Cena was OP for years and that was a detriment to the show. Roman was the same way, the show sucks, he’s OP and it helped make the show even more awful.
Becky might be OP, but she’s still entertaining and hasn’t ruined anything just yet, so I’m willing to give her a pass until I notice she starts actively taking away from the show.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 25, 2019 23:51:10 GMT -5
For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work. At the end of the day it's all about how it made the other superstars look. With Cena, he didn't make his opponents look great. They wore him down at times but the reality is that a Cena feud only made you look ok for a lil bit. AJ Styles and Punk are 2 of the only guys who broke that cycle and that's mostly due to who they are as people. Reigns, people looked like shit against Reigns minus a few. AJ Styles is one of them who overcame. Basically, if Becky can make her opponent look good when she can win all the time and even if she wins there's going to be less backlash. If she makes people look like crap (like Strowman did) then there's going to be an issue. Styles (when he had his year long reign) made his opponents look decent most of the time until people caught on that he was still holding the belt. If it was someone else who couldn't do that there'd be an issue. That's the thing about being champion and it's one reason why HBK was a great one. One reason why Rock was a great one. They made their opponents look amazing. There's a way to be the strongest on the roster and make your opponent look as great as possible. If Becky's great enough she can do it. If she's not? Then she's not great enough.
I'd argue she's already on the road to doing that in-ring. Asuka looked great for beating her (shame creative wasted it). And before this run, Becky was relegated to that guy-who-wrestles-the guy gatekeeper role. Kinda like Rock in that case. The one thng I'd give this argument is she also has Rock's habit of going for the jugular in promos. Rock for his Billy Bitch Cake style burials of lesser guys and Becky with her twitter game. Becky is where she should be in every regard right now. I disagree with this thread wholeheartedly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 23:52:56 GMT -5
As said, There is little to no middle ground in Wwe. (Another one piece metaphor. Reading 89 books in 3 weeks will do that) Most boss fights. Luffy kiiinda handles his own, but gets stomped. Has to go back. Think up a new plan to approach enemy (or reveal a new form ) and then wins. You can predict it, doesnt mean its bad. It shows this foe took hero to limit, hero had to train or meditate and then wins the day. Wwe doesnt do this anymore. Like many here, I HATED styles last year. Besides his lame promo material, it was complete buns to see him beat the same person 3x in a row. His enemies looked like choke artists and he didnt gain anything from decisively winning every feud. A story with a flawless hero is tedious;see also, the common misconception of Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 0:02:21 GMT -5
At the end of the day it's all about how it made the other superstars look. With Cena, he didn't make his opponents look great. They wore him down at times but the reality is that a Cena feud only made you look ok for a lil bit. AJ Styles and Punk are 2 of the only guys who broke that cycle and that's mostly due to who they are as people. Reigns, people looked like shit against Reigns minus a few. AJ Styles is one of them who overcame. Basically, if Becky can make her opponent look good when she can win all the time and even if she wins there's going to be less backlash. If she makes people look like crap (like Strowman did) then there's going to be an issue. Styles (when he had his year long reign) made his opponents look decent most of the time until people caught on that he was still holding the belt. If it was someone else who couldn't do that there'd be an issue. That's the thing about being champion and it's one reason why HBK was a great one. One reason why Rock was a great one. They made their opponents look amazing. There's a way to be the strongest on the roster and make your opponent look as great as possible. If Becky's great enough she can do it. If she's not? Then she's not great enough.
I'd argue she's already on the road to doing that in-ring. Asuka looked great for beating her (shame creative wasted it). And before this run, Becky was relegated to that guy-who-wrestles-the guy gatekeeper role. Kinda like Rock in that case. The one thng I'd give this argument is she also has Rock's habit of going for the jugular in promos. Rock for his Billy Bitch Cake style burials of lesser guys and Becky with her twitter game. Becky is where she should be in every regard right now. I disagree with this thread wholeheartedly. That's one reason why I'm giving Becky a 4 months time limit before I officially say "ok, this needs to severely change for her" because if in those 4 months she can make her opponents look great and can roll with it it'll be fine. She's done it before, that's the not the problem. The problem is what the offices think because they book these major stars differently compared to how she used to be. They potentially might say "ok, A+ Becky needs to be booked different than B+ Becky who's the first Women's Champion and in turn we need to do stuff differently." We'll just have to see because even Rollins, with that "wow Rollins has knee issues can he win" was wild.
I can see what the OP is saying about her being OP because to a degree she is OP right now. Anyone can be OP for 1 night, even someone like Ambrose was OP for a night. The problem is how long this will go on because all it takes is a few good matches to change that perception. The whole point we were on Strowman was because Strowman was OP for waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too long. At least a few years. With Becky, given she's going against Ronda and Charlotte, she'll be fine for WM. She might be ok against Nia with Tamina as her bodyguard, we'll see. She might be ok with Ruby and the Riott Squad. It's just a matter of how long that lasts.
Bryan was OP during WM30 given Cole said Bryan's performance was the greatest single performance anyone's had in WWE history which is crazy. Kofi was technically OP last week given they said Kofi's performance was the greatest performance anyone's had in WWE history (which links the Bryan similarities). At the same time all it takes is one night to change it which did change for said superstars.
I think Becky will be fine given I think they'll be smart with her booking. They won't be stupid with her booking especially given how things are right now.
If anything I think Becky's going to end up being one of those "champions who get beaten down too much" stars who has to be OP just to balance that out. She'll be beaten down on a lot of Raws but then will end up overcoming through true grit to make up for it.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Mar 26, 2019 0:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 26, 2019 0:12:21 GMT -5
The difference is that people want her to win. I'm not disputing that, I mean, I felt like that was the explicit point I was making. People are fine with Lynch winning all the time because of things like her character work and other things that meant there is a stronger connection there. Cena and Reigns had their established, well-liked characters fiddled with as they became aces, thus they had that connection weakened and people gravitated towards other contenders. It's a balancing act
Look at Okada, when he beat Naito a few years ago there was basically an active groan of not this shit again and while people still weren't feeling them he helped change that perception. Hell, since he dropped the title and got into this feud with Jay the crowd has been doing crazy for him especially since he killed the pants
Your Ace is not supposed to be defeated easily BUT when things are a foregone conclusion it does make things less fun to watch. Okada as the reign went along, the fun was seeing in who would beat him as he did have some tough contest
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 26, 2019 0:13:33 GMT -5
Yep it really is. Charlotte honed in on the perception of her and made that her character and it's working well for her. These threads are probably the most annoying threads on this entire board... nothing against the OP but lord I can't stand them. I gotta disagree with that personally. I'd say the "(insert wrestler) is OP" threads are way better than the "aughhhhh I hate this crap what are they doing?" threads because these have actual discussion. Even on the first page, with people who disagree, there's actual discussion as to why people think that way. In general it's less hostile and more of a discussion rather than an emotional feeling. Now you compare that to the "angry at the company and product" threads, they're more volatile, less discussion and there's really no point rather than whining. At least in these we can have discussion as to what's real and what's not. Plus that September match (like her August win vs Carmella) featured Becky laying her out after the match.
Yep, I forgot about that. My issue is these sometimes stem for no reason other than the wrestler getting pushed or focused on. Like Becky isn't OP at all. She's getting pushed as a top talent. She lost to Asuka clean at the Rumble. She's been selling a knee injury for weeks, she needed HELP to get to WrestleMania, I don't see how in any way Becky is seen as a worldbeater for winning the beat the clock challenge against Liv Morgan, a wrestler who has proven she can't last a minute in a singles contest against anyone. That's not even factoring in these other reasons. The Cena match was to help put her over when she was reaching her peak, it was done in good faith and fun and you could tell Cena WANTED to do it, and when the heck did House Show results ever matter?? They're for the live fans and no one else, of course the girl who is super over is gonna win for the fans to be happy... I get the topic of conversation, but a lot of the time these threads come off as retrospective gun jumpers or worrying over nothing. And sometimes the infighting in them over opinions gets nasty...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 26, 2019 0:17:05 GMT -5
Yep it really is. Charlotte honed in on the perception of her and made that her character and it's working well for her. I gotta disagree with that personally. I'd say the "(insert wrestler) is OP" threads are way better than the "aughhhhh I hate this crap what are they doing?" threads because these have actual discussion. Even on the first page, with people who disagree, there's actual discussion as to why people think that way. In general it's less hostile and more of a discussion rather than an emotional feeling. Now you compare that to the "angry at the company and product" threads, they're more volatile, less discussion and there's really no point rather than whining. At least in these we can have discussion as to what's real and what's not.
Yep, I forgot about that. My issue is these sometimes stem for no reason other than the wrestler getting pushed or focused on. Like Becky isn't OP at all. She's getting pushed as a top talent. She lost to Asuka clean at the Rumble. She's been selling a knee injury for weeks, she needed HELP to get to WrestleMania, I don't see how in any way Becky is seen as a worldbeater for winning the beat the clock challenge against Liv Morgan, a wrestler who has proven she can't last a minute in a singles contest against anyone. . She has a knee injury but has that really fatigued her at all? She had been beating the bricks off Charlotte and Ronda for a good few weeks with said injury. Charlotte attacks her and still ends on the other end of an ass beating
She didn't need help to get to Mania because in kayfabe she's been beating the hell out of Charlotte for months and still beat her up in the buildup to the match. Where was the danger of her losing this match to someone she has beaten endlessly?
The "weakest" Becky has looked was against Asuka and that wasn't even weakness. She tapped clean yes, but the end result was always about her and never about Asuka.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 26, 2019 0:22:13 GMT -5
My issue is these sometimes stem for no reason other than the wrestler getting pushed or focused on. Like Becky isn't OP at all. She's getting pushed as a top talent. She lost to Asuka clean at the Rumble. She's been selling a knee injury for weeks, she needed HELP to get to WrestleMania, I don't see how in any way Becky is seen as a worldbeater for winning the beat the clock challenge against Liv Morgan, a wrestler who has proven she can't last a minute in a singles contest against anyone. . She has a knee injury but has that really fatigued her at all? She had been beating the bricks off Charlotte and Ronda for a good few weeks with said injury. Charlotte attacks her and still ends on the other end of an ass beating
She didn't need help to get to Mania because in kayfabe she's been beating the hell out of Charlotte for months and still beat her up in the buildup to the match. Where was the danger of her losing this match to someone she has beaten endlessly?
The "weakest" Becky has looked was against Asuka and that wasn't even weakness. She tapped clean yes, but the end result was always about her and never about Asuka.
I just don't see why we have to over-analyze everything. If it's working and telling a good story, like Charlotte being a bitch who deserves and we want to see get her ass kicked in the storyline, like Ronda, then I don't really get why we have to go to the well of OP. We'd have a thread like this every week with Rock and Austin at their peak, we'd have one every five minutes with Hogan at his peak. This is just my take on it but when it comes to wrestling sometimes we gotta step back a bit and enjoy the ride before going into these arguments imo. Especially with how fickle WWE Booking can particularly be... Braun friggen died a death very soon after his OP Thread happened. I don't think the same will happen to Becky, but I also feel like it's a severe overreaction when Becky I feel has been treated fairly, and has been beaten down by Charlotte and Ronda without retaliation in this feud before too. Again this is just how I see things, I know ya'll see it different, I just wanted to ramble about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 0:23:54 GMT -5
Real shit. You want stars, you better be ready to deal with everything that comes in promoting them For me, it's just trying to connect why "wins all the time" is just fine for Becky Lynch's push but was a regular criticism of the pushes of John Cena and Roman Reigns. I can only think from there that the criticisms about Cena and Reigns were never really about their win/loss records at all, more with their character work. It might not be fair but Reigns/Cena are guys that are perceived to have it "easy" because of their look. They didn't really have a long road to the top. Wrestlers like Becky have an unorthodox look, they have a storied road to where they got, and I think that connects with people more. Like both Cena and Reigns at one point were really over. Cena with his rap act, and Roman with the Shield. Roman especially proved a lot of people wrong because I remember when he came in with Dean and Seth he was already resented as the "guy who's going to be the star even though it should be one of the other guys." He started winning people over, but once WWE pushed the button and activated the Roman Reigns star push it didn't really matter what goodwill he earned beforehand, because there wasn't really much of a journey for him. It's just not as exciting to see when it feels like certain guys were gonna get that spot regardless. Maybe I'm wrong but I think like Hulk Hogan and Goldberg are the only guys to become mega stars while kicking ass the whole way through, and even then eventually Hulk and Goldberg both hit a wall with that schtick (though it took forever by today's standards). Most guys, fans can't really relate to until they've seen them struggle to some degree. Cena's struggle came in the form of his suffering through fans' relentless torment for over a decade with a smile on his face. Roman's was his cancer scare, and now they're both beloved. I think there's more to it than that (like changing characters too much from what got them over in the first place) but I think that's the biggest thing about it. It goes a long way for a wrestler to have an established body of work before they get their big push.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 0:26:38 GMT -5
My issue is these sometimes stem for no reason other than the wrestler getting pushed or focused on. Like Becky isn't OP at all. She's getting pushed as a top talent. She lost to Asuka clean at the Rumble. She's been selling a knee injury for weeks, she needed HELP to get to WrestleMania, I don't see how in any way Becky is seen as a worldbeater for winning the beat the clock challenge against Liv Morgan, a wrestler who has proven she can't last a minute in a singles contest against anyone. That's not even factoring in these other reasons. The Cena match was to help put her over when she was reaching her peak, it was done in good faith and fun and you could tell Cena WANTED to do it, and when the heck did House Show results ever matter?? They're for the live fans and no one else, of course the girl who is super over is gonna win for the fans to be happy... I get the topic of conversation, but a lot of the time these threads come off as retrospective gun jumpers or worrying over nothing. And sometimes the infighting in them over opinions gets nasty... Nah I gotta disagree with that. Anyone can be considered OP, it's just a matter of how long the OP-ness lasts. It's like say God Mode. Yeah you can tap into God Mode for 30 seconds and be dope but what if you had it for a few hours? That would break the game. Becky's used God Mode, it's just a matter of how long it's been used because even characters like Bryan, Kofi, they've been OP as well. It's just that for them it's been for 1 night (WM30 and SDL last week) so they're balanced given you're looking at everything they've done. Strowman on the other hand, dude was using that shit like water lol. It didn't work out well because at that point when they gotta take it away he had nothing to fall back on. Becky selling her knee injury is one reason for the OP comments because that's exactly like Rollins. Yall thought Seth was a monster in these matches where he wins with his knee f***ed up? Pff, just WAIT until he says "I've got no knee problems" and see what that boy does. That knee is, no pun, a crutch for Rollins to go in on somebody when they need him to.
It's just how you see it.
And personally I try not to take any discussion into personal levels on this forum because it's a forum but sometimes people just got issues with it. At the end of the day we're people. That's why I say that "see me in PM" stuff because shit, I'm here to talk if people wanna do other stuff that ain't for me. I just don't like all of those "lemme be mad about the product ugh I hate this" threads because it's just so negative. I don't get what we get out of those threads if there's nothing that we as viewers can change about it. We can discuss this Becky OP stuff because we can see where the disconnect is but that other stuff? Idk what we can discuss. That's really the main reason why I don't enter those threads much these days and probably the main reason why I skip some shows like tonight's Raw.
If it makes me feel bad why do I wanna see it? I just don't personally.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 26, 2019 0:27:15 GMT -5
She has a knee injury but has that really fatigued her at all? She had been beating the bricks off Charlotte and Ronda for a good few weeks with said injury. Charlotte attacks her and still ends on the other end of an ass beating
She didn't need help to get to Mania because in kayfabe she's been beating the hell out of Charlotte for months and still beat her up in the buildup to the match. Where was the danger of her losing this match to someone she has beaten endlessly?
The "weakest" Becky has looked was against Asuka and that wasn't even weakness. She tapped clean yes, but the end result was always about her and never about Asuka.
I just don't see why we have to over-analyze everything. If it's working and telling a good story, like Charlotte being a bitch who deserves and we want to see get her ass kicked in the storyline, like Ronda, then I don't really get why we have to go to the well of OP. We'd have a thread like this every week with Rock and Austin at their peak, we'd have one every five minutes with Hogan at his peak. This is just my take on it but when it comes to wrestling sometimes we gotta step back a bit and enjoy the ride before going into these arguments imo. Especially with how fickle WWE Booking can particularly be... Braun friggen died a death very soon after his OP Thread happened. I don't think the same will happen to Becky, but I also feel like it's a severe overreaction when Becky I feel has been treated fairly, and has been beaten down by Charlotte and Ronda without retaliation in this feud before too. Again this is just how I see things, I know ya'll see it different, I just wanted to ramble about it. I wouldn't call it over analyzing at all, i'm giving her the same treatment that people like Cena and Reigns get
Imo it's a fair discussion to have
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 26, 2019 0:34:57 GMT -5
My issue is these sometimes stem for no reason other than the wrestler getting pushed or focused on. Like Becky isn't OP at all. She's getting pushed as a top talent. She lost to Asuka clean at the Rumble. She's been selling a knee injury for weeks, she needed HELP to get to WrestleMania, I don't see how in any way Becky is seen as a worldbeater for winning the beat the clock challenge against Liv Morgan, a wrestler who has proven she can't last a minute in a singles contest against anyone. That's not even factoring in these other reasons. The Cena match was to help put her over when she was reaching her peak, it was done in good faith and fun and you could tell Cena WANTED to do it, and when the heck did House Show results ever matter?? They're for the live fans and no one else, of course the girl who is super over is gonna win for the fans to be happy... I get the topic of conversation, but a lot of the time these threads come off as retrospective gun jumpers or worrying over nothing. And sometimes the infighting in them over opinions gets nasty... Nah I gotta disagree with that. Anyone can be considered OP, it's just a matter of how long the OP-ness lasts. It's like say God Mode. Yeah you can tap into God Mode for 30 seconds and be dope but what if you had it for a few hours? That would break the game. Becky's used God Mode, it's just a matter of how long it's been used because even characters like Bryan, Kofi, they've been OP as well. It's just that for them it's been for 1 night (WM30 and SDL last week) so they're balanced given you're looking at everything they've done. Strowman on the other hand, dude was using that shit like water lol. It didn't work out well because at that point when they gotta take it away he had nothing to fall back on. Becky selling her knee injury is one reason for the OP comments because that's exactly like Rollins. Yall thought Seth was a monster in these matches where he wins with his knee f***ed up? Pff, just WAIT until he says "I've got no knee problems" and see what that boy does. That knee is, no pun, a crutch for Rollins to go in on somebody when they need him to.
It's just how you see it.
And personally I try not to take any discussion into personal levels on this forum because it's a forum but sometimes people just got issues with it. At the end of the day we're people. That's why I say that "see me in PM" stuff because shit, I'm here to talk if people wanna do other stuff that ain't for me. I just don't like all of those "lemme be mad about the product ugh I hate this" threads because it's just so negative. I don't get what we get out of those threads if there's nothing that we as viewers can change about it. We can discuss this Becky OP stuff because we can see where the disconnect is but that other stuff? Idk what we can discuss. That's really the main reason why I don't enter those threads much these days and probably the main reason why I skip some shows like tonight's Raw.
If it makes me feel bad why do I wanna see it? I just don't personally.
When the "OP" goes on for a few weeks like with Kofi right now, you say that's dope because you don't expect it to last long but when it starts spanning months and close to a year then you double take and say something is wrong with this picture
I can see where the OP is coming from but as I said in the 1st page, I don't think she is OP yet but if nothing changes by Summerslam she will be
In the same vain, if Kofi was winning Gauntlet matches every week for the next 8 months to a year that fool would be OP and called out on it
Calling someone OP does not mean they are outright bad, people need to get that out their head. It's just saying well, this person is so above their competition, it's becoming a little bit of a joke and when they eventually go back down to the mean, people are going to be mad because the dominance isn't there anymore
Cedric Alexander was OP as f*** but his was lowkey cause of 205 Live
I never wanted Braun to be a jobber, I just wanted him to stop beating the hell out of people 6 on 1 and winning the tag titles with a kid. A little more middle ground and they had that for a while until Vince got bored. Either Braun is flipping over card and telling jokes or getting beat up 3 on 1
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