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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 3:02:19 GMT -5
Just thought this was interesting.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 5, 2019 3:04:30 GMT -5
Kofi speaking that exact same shit we was talking a few weeks ago @kn
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 3:21:46 GMT -5
Kofi speaking that exact same shit we was talking a few weeks ago @kn Yep exactly. They knew what they were doing and were smart about it. Love it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 6:42:13 GMT -5
Why bring race into this? Literally nobody minoritized Kofi and yet he’s trying to make it a skin color thing.
I can’t be the only one that hopes Bryan wins, can I?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 6:43:33 GMT -5
Why bring race into this? Literally nobody minoritized Kofi and yet he’s trying to make it a skin color thing. I mean, the storyline's been a skin color thing. It's been subtle granted, but stuff like Vince refusing to give a straight answer on his issue with Kofi and Bryan saying, "People like you work twice as hard for half as much," are pretty clear signs that that's what it's been about.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 5, 2019 6:53:14 GMT -5
I know vince and New Day brought it but im curious did Bryan use the race?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 5, 2019 6:57:59 GMT -5
Kofi speaking that exact same shit we was talking a few weeks ago @kn I mean, yeah it's there. But thankfully it's not EXCLUSIVELY that. I don't think someone like Bryan would have agreed to the angle if it had been.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 6:58:54 GMT -5
Why bring race into this? Literally nobody minoritized Kofi and yet he’s trying to make it a skin color thing. I mean, the storyline's been a skin color thing. It's been subtle granted, but stuff like Vince refusing to give a straight answer on his issue with Kofi and Bryan saying, "People like you work twice as hard for half as much," are pretty clear signs that that's what it's been about. That could easily refer to Kofi putting his body on the line night after night just to be awarded a midcard slot. Sorry but... people want race to not be an issue and yet some black people constantly bring it up and put themselves in a minority when literally nobody else brought it up. This story didn’t need or call for a “It’s because I’m black... isn’t it?” moment.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 5, 2019 7:03:19 GMT -5
Kofi speaking that exact same shit we was talking a few weeks ago @kn I mean, yeah it's there. But thankfully it's not EXCLUSIVELY that. I don't think someone like Bryan would have agreed to the angle if it had been. It seems the racism angle is more towards Vince then Bryan.Would kinda suck for Bryan to be blindsides it, but they are professionals , im sure nothing was done without talking. But yeh its pretty smart how open ended it is. Anyone has something to relate tp Kofi
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Post by auph10imitated on Apr 5, 2019 7:08:40 GMT -5
I really hope he wins on Sunday. It would be an amazing moment. They need to give Kofi & Becky the heroes hour.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 5, 2019 7:21:40 GMT -5
I mean, the storyline's been a skin color thing. It's been subtle granted, but stuff like Vince refusing to give a straight answer on his issue with Kofi and Bryan saying, "People like you work twice as hard for half as much," are pretty clear signs that that's what it's been about. That could easily refer to Kofi putting his body on the line night after night just to be awarded a midcard slot. Sorry but... people want race to not be an issue and yet some black people constantly bring it up and put themselves in a minority when literally nobody else brought it up. This story didn’t need or call for a “It’s because I’m black... isn’t it?” moment. It kind of sounds like your putting the onus on black people for racism. I don’t think you meant to? Either way the storyline is open ended like he said. It’s Scott someone being overlooked. Whether it’s race, size, clout, personality whatever...it can be all those things. It’s about someone achieving a goal when they’ve been held back from doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 7:33:38 GMT -5
That could easily refer to Kofi putting his body on the line night after night just to be awarded a midcard slot. Sorry but... people want race to not be an issue and yet some black people constantly bring it up and put themselves in a minority when literally nobody else brought it up. This story didn’t need or call for a “It’s because I’m black... isn’t it?” moment. It kind of sounds like your putting the onus on black people for racism. I don’t think you meant to? Either way the storyline is open ended like he said. It’s Scott someone being overlooked. Whether it’s race, size, clout, personality whatever...it can be all those things. It’s about someone achieving a goal when they’ve been held back from doing so. Not at all. I realize I’m treading on a very thin line here but my point still stands that the only ones mentioning race in this case is Kofi (and The New Day) Him being held back all these years has nothing to do with his skin color. I personally never saw him as a main eventer... still don’t. It’s not because he’s black... I didn’t see Justin Gabriel as a main eventer. I didn’t see Tyson Kidd as a main eventer. I didn’t see plenty of these skinny “high flyers” as main eventers cause the majority of them think that their moveset can take them to the top when in reality, WWE are looking for more than that. They want characters. Velveteen Dream for example... THATS a main eventer. He gets it so much more than Kofi ever did. And he’s still in his early 20s. I’m going to just leave my thoughts on the matter there. I don’t want to turn this into a racism debate outside this storyline and I don’t want to risk saying something that could be interpreted completely different to what I intended.
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Post by TGM on Apr 5, 2019 7:39:01 GMT -5
Kofi is main eventing Wrestlemania on merit. He happens to be black and is giving his view on how that's been a factor for him. How can anybody have a problem with what he's saying here?
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Post by Texas Tornado on Apr 5, 2019 7:54:31 GMT -5
Kofi gave a very simple and diplomatic answer. Point is if you're not a black wrestling fan that's been subjected to decades of what we've seen, then you just don't get it. I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but there are some things that some people won't get, and if y'all don't have that perspective then it is what it is. Kofi tried his best to say "it's more than that too" and we still get the "why does it have to be about race" comment.
I'm so personally tired of hearing that comment because it's always going to be about race for us. We're not given much of a choice. I can count on one hand the prominent black faces that have been in WWE that haven't portrayed a huge stereotype. Kofi and The New Day worked their asses off to expand their stereotypical gimmick, make it their own, and become draws. The amount of classic tag matches they've had in their run is crazy and 95% of those involve Kofi. Dude's been a main event talent for years. They're just finally running with it.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 5, 2019 8:33:10 GMT -5
I mean, the storyline's been a skin color thing. It's been subtle granted, but stuff like Vince refusing to give a straight answer on his issue with Kofi and Bryan saying, "People like you work twice as hard for half as much," are pretty clear signs that that's what it's been about. That could easily refer to Kofi putting his body on the line night after night just to be awarded a midcard slot. Sorry but... people want race to not be an issue and yet some black people constantly bring it up and put themselves in a minority when literally nobody else brought it up. This story didn’t need or call for a “It’s because I’m black... isn’t it?” moment. As a white man, I don't believe I get to say "they don't need an 'it's because I'm black' moment". You really might want to step away from this argument, it's not a good look for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 8:56:47 GMT -5
I have always seen it exactly as Kofi described.
It can be about race, about the Rocky-esque little guy getting a great opportunity, or just a guy who Vince considers a midcard act hijacking the main event scene. It can be about any or all of those things. Take your pick, whatever speaks to you the most.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 5, 2019 9:40:37 GMT -5
It kind of sounds like your putting the onus on black people for racism. I don’t think you meant to? Either way the storyline is open ended like he said. It’s Scott someone being overlooked. Whether it’s race, size, clout, personality whatever...it can be all those things. It’s about someone achieving a goal when they’ve been held back from doing so. Not at all. I realize I’m treading on a very thin line here but my point still stands that the only ones mentioning race in this case is Kofi (and The New Day) Him being held back all these years has nothing to do with his skin color. I personally never saw him as a main eventer... still don’t. It’s not because he’s black... I didn’t see Justin Gabriel as a main eventer. I didn’t see Tyson Kidd as a main eventer. I didn’t see plenty of these skinny “high flyers” as main eventers cause the majority of them think that their moveset can take them to the top when in reality, WWE are looking for more than that. They want characters. Velveteen Dream for example... THATS a main eventer. He gets it so much more than Kofi ever did. And he’s still in his early 20s. I’m going to just leave my thoughts on the matter there. I don’t want to turn this into a racism debate outside this storyline and I don’t want to risk saying something that could be interpreted completely different to what I intended. No black man has ever won the title in the main event, last match on, of Mania. One black man, The Rock, has lost it in the main event to white guys, three times (and won a match with no title involved in it once, and failed to win it also). And some people even spin off into a 'Rock isn't even black' argument over that one. And that's not even to mention some of the very not over white stiffs that have main evented PPVs throughout WWE history and wrestling history in general. It doesn't have to be about Kofi. It's about all black people. And we, as whites, don't get to tell him when race is and isn't an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 10:20:28 GMT -5
Kofi gave a very simple and diplomatic answer. Point is if you're not a black wrestling fan that's been subjected to decades of what we've seen, then you just don't get it. I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but there are some things that some people won't get, and if y'all don't have that perspective then it is what it is. Kofi tried his best to say "it's more than that too" and we still get the "why does it have to be about race" comment. I'm so personally tired of hearing that comment because it's always going to be about race for us. We're not given much of a choice. I can count on one hand the prominent black faces that have been in WWE that haven't portrayed a huge stereotype. Kofi and The New Day worked their asses off to expand their stereotypical gimmick, make it their own, and become draws. The amount of classic tag matches they've had in their run is crazy and 95% of those involve Kofi. Dude's been a main event talent for years. They're just finally running with it. Yeah you're right and I personally love it. As a black WWE fan I've always loved the stars I love but there's something different seeing someone who looks like you out there. I loved Austin, I had that Austin standup poster but at the same time the guys that looked like me? The Rock, D'lo, Mark Henry, those are the guys that there's just something else there to inspire you. The Bookers, D'von, even seeing Jacqueline tear it up in the women's scene because she has the same color as me and yeah I'm not a woman but the fact she's doing it? That's great. It made you feel proud. Kofi brought this up on Booker's show the other day and Booker did too. There's not too many of us who have reached that level and to inspire others who look like you, to inspire children who look like you, that's important. Young black kids have seen black wrestlers dominate the tag team scene and now seeing this? Man.
There's actually generation of young black kids who have never seen a black male wrestler ascend to the top of the company and Kofi can be that guy for them. That's very important.
Even with peers, just look at how the black wrestlers are looking at Kofi during last night's Walemania with Wale and Kaz. Xavier, Big E, Lio, it's great.
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Post by héad.casé on Apr 5, 2019 10:24:23 GMT -5
I’m gonna be honest, watching this angle from the start, I never saw the racial element to the story. As people have said - it’s really subtle, which is why I probably haven’t seen that in the story, but as Kofi said - there’s something for everyone to identify with.
For me it’s the underdog tale of an 11 year veteran who’s been quietly working his ass off, doesn’t cause trouble, finally getting his shot.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 5, 2019 10:33:49 GMT -5
There's different layers to this story with different meanings to different people that different fans can see different parts of the whole and pick why this is important to them personally.
This is one of the most subtlety layered stories they've done. Performance art done right. Open to interpretations and with different moral and emotional implications that changes from fan to fan.
At Mania there can be two different strangers standing next to eachother screaming ravenously for a Kofi win for entirely different personal reasons that are both entirely valid. That's f***ing neat.
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