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Post by abjordans on Apr 8, 2019 10:27:18 GMT -5
Big E tweeted that Hogan gave him a real apology last night and he accepts it. This is what many have said Hogan didn’t do, but it sounds like he finally man’d up and accepted responsibility and apologized from his heart. Do you think this is enough to move on from his racist remarks?
EDIT: Changing the title because nowhere in the tweet does Big E accept the apology, just that he appreciated Hogan giving one and that it's a start. - Madison
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 10:28:33 GMT -5
For Big E? Yeah.
For me? Nope. It's still f*** Hogan always.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 10:30:05 GMT -5
For Big E? Yeah. For me? Nope. It's still f*** Hogan always. Yeah this is one of those things where I don't see how making it right with one person suddenly fixes everything.
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Post by Abdullah on Apr 8, 2019 10:30:29 GMT -5
I hate myself for this, but I doubt Big E's acceptance of Hulk is 100%.
He probably sees that they're making nice with him so he put out a bare minimum statement that has some truth.
I feel bad for thinking this way, though.
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Post by abjordans on Apr 8, 2019 10:31:34 GMT -5
For Big E? Yeah. For me? Nope. It's still f*** Hogan always. Yeah this is one of those things where I don't see how making it right with one person suddenly fixes everything. Like Big E said, people deserve a shot at redemption. If he owned up and admitted his wrong doing and is truly sorry, why is it something that can’t be moved on from?
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Post by abjordans on Apr 8, 2019 10:32:43 GMT -5
I hate myself for this, but I doubt Big E's acceptance of Hulk is 100%. He probably sees that they're making nice with him so he put out a bare minimum statement that has some truth. I feel bad for thinking this way, though. He could have just not said anything. If Hogan took New Day to the side and gave a sincere apology and not just saying he was sorry he got caught, I think that is pretty good of him/
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Post by Abdullah on Apr 8, 2019 10:35:39 GMT -5
I hate myself for this, but I doubt Big E's acceptance of Hulk is 100%. He probably sees that they're making nice with him so he put out a bare minimum statement that has some truth. I feel bad for thinking this way, though. He could have just not said anything. If Hogan took New Day to the side and gave a sincere apology and not just saying he was sorry he got caught, I think that is pretty good of him/ Hopefully he has. It's the fact that this coincides with Hulk being so visible on WWE TV that gives me pause.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 10:36:13 GMT -5
Like Big E said, people deserve a shot at redemption. If he owned up and admitted his wrong doing and is truly sorry, why is it something that can’t be moved on from? This is something I don't think you and many others who have defended Hogan understand, not everybody thinks he's truly sorry and nothing he's done shows he's sorry. Hogan talked to Big E and Big E thinks he's sorry but that's something we didn't see and everyone has different levels of believing Hogan. Mark Henry was cool with Hogan shortly after, Big E took a while, others still aren't cool with him. There's levels of what everyone will accept depending on who they are as people. Just because one black man accepts Hogan back doesn't mean we all accept Hogan back.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Apr 8, 2019 10:38:14 GMT -5
Good for Big E, I'm happy he's not going to hang onto it.
Personally wouldn't mind never seeing Hogan again, but whatever. If he's making amends with people he's hurt, then good.
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Post by rocnsoc88 on Apr 8, 2019 10:39:15 GMT -5
Meh.
I believe in forgiveness and second chances but if it took that long for Hogan to actually own what he did after literally almost half a decade of time to reflect on it, then it’s hard for me to accept the sincerity of his apology. Hogan’s been framing his “apologies" for years now with “don’t get caught getting recorded, Brother!” and that’s really missing the forest for the trees with regard to how offensive his comments were.
I’ll post Titus O’Neil's response as of a few months ago with an excerpt in bold that sums up my thoughts entirely:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 10:39:49 GMT -5
I think that Hogan should just go away mainly. Dude is a useless old man.
Good for Big E. If he has softened his heart towards Hulk, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t absolve him in anyone else’s eyes. Formulate your own thoughts and opinions on the matter. If him apologizing to Big E. is good enough for you as fan, cool, if it’s not that’s also cool. Think for yourself.
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Post by realist on Apr 8, 2019 10:39:57 GMT -5
Like Big E said, people deserve a shot at redemption. If he owned up and admitted his wrong doing and is truly sorry, why is it something that can’t be moved on from? This is something I don't think you and many others who have defended Hogan don't understand, not everybody thinks he's truly sorry and nothing he's done shows he's sorry. Hogan talked to Big E and Big E thinks he's sorry but that's something we didn't see and everyone has different levels of believing Hogan. Mark Henry was cool with Hogan shortly after, Big E took a while, others still aren't cool with him. There's levels of what everyone will accept depending on who they are as people. Just because one black man accepts Hogan back doesn't mean we all accept Hogan back. You just beat me by a couple of seconds. I came in here to post something similar. Black people do not have some sort of hive mind. We are allowed to think differently from on another. Big E forgives Hogan? Cool. Good for him. I do not and will not. Big E does not speak for me and I do not speak for him.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 8, 2019 10:42:07 GMT -5
Hogan honestly is not a person I like even without all the racism. That is just one more good reason.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 8, 2019 10:43:15 GMT -5
This is something I don't think you and many others who have defended Hogan don't understand, not everybody thinks he's truly sorry and nothing he's done shows he's sorry. Hogan talked to Big E and Big E thinks he's sorry but that's something we didn't see and everyone has different levels of believing Hogan. Mark Henry was cool with Hogan shortly after, Big E took a while, others still aren't cool with him. There's levels of what everyone will accept depending on who they are as people. Just because one black man accepts Hogan back doesn't mean we all accept Hogan back. You just beat me by a couple of seconds. I came in here to post something similar. Black people do not have some sort of hive mind. We are allowed to think differently from on another. Big E forgives Hogan? Cool. Good for him. I do not and will not. Big E does not speak for me and I do not speak for him. Pff,Key and Peele showed me every black person has the shine.Im sure you are talking with big E right now in your mind. cant fool me.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 8, 2019 10:45:59 GMT -5
Like Big E said, people deserve a shot at redemption. If he owned up and admitted his wrong doing and is truly sorry, why is it something that can’t be moved on from? This is something I don't think you and many others who have defended Hogan understand, not everybody thinks he's truly sorry and nothing he's done shows he's sorry. Hogan talked to Big E and Big E thinks he's sorry but that's something we didn't see and everyone has different levels of believing Hogan. Mark Henry was cool with Hogan shortly after, Big E took a while, others still aren't cool with him. There's levels of what everyone will accept depending on who they are as people. Just because one black man accepts Hogan back doesn't mean we all accept Hogan back. I believe it was South Park who said “Jesse Jackson is not the president of black people!!” Just because one prominent person accepts or condemns a persons actions, doesn’t mean all people of his race are expected to follow suit. As I said in the Mania thread, I marked out when Hogan came out but I 100% get it if people weren’t cool with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 10:46:20 GMT -5
This is something I don't think you and many others who have defended Hogan don't understand, not everybody thinks he's truly sorry and nothing he's done shows he's sorry. Hogan talked to Big E and Big E thinks he's sorry but that's something we didn't see and everyone has different levels of believing Hogan. Mark Henry was cool with Hogan shortly after, Big E took a while, others still aren't cool with him. There's levels of what everyone will accept depending on who they are as people. Just because one black man accepts Hogan back doesn't mean we all accept Hogan back. You just beat me by a couple of seconds. I came in here to post something similar. Black people do not have some sort of hive mind. We are allowed to think differently from on another. Big E forgives Hogan? Cool. Good for him. I do not and will not. Big E does not speak for me and I do not speak for him. Exactly. I'm tired of all these "well (insert black person) accepts Hogan back so what about you" stuff. People really tried to do that with Mark Henry shortly after.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 10:47:14 GMT -5
South Park had a great line about this.
"Jesse Jackson is not the emperor of Black People."
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Post by abjordans on Apr 8, 2019 10:48:19 GMT -5
This is something I don't think you and many others who have defended Hogan don't understand, not everybody thinks he's truly sorry and nothing he's done shows he's sorry. Hogan talked to Big E and Big E thinks he's sorry but that's something we didn't see and everyone has different levels of believing Hogan. Mark Henry was cool with Hogan shortly after, Big E took a while, others still aren't cool with him. There's levels of what everyone will accept depending on who they are as people. Just because one black man accepts Hogan back doesn't mean we all accept Hogan back. You just beat me by a couple of seconds. I came in here to post something similar. Black people do not have some sort of hive mind. We are allowed to think differently from on another. Big E forgives Hogan? Cool. Good for him. I do not and will not. Big E does not speak for me and I do not speak for him. I wasn’t implying anything about a hive mind or even directing this post at black members of the board. Just wondering if him possibly owning what he said and apologizing for it made others want to give him another chance. I wasn’t trying to say since Big E accepts his apology all black people should, I was asking if Hogan giving a real apology and accepting fault for what he said gave anyone closure.
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Post by PKO on Apr 8, 2019 10:54:36 GMT -5
Since Hogan’s return into the WWE fold, everybody has been very careful with their words, so I think it is important to note that Big E did not say he accepted Hogan’s apology, but that he appreciated the apology. Here is his tweet:
(“I’d like to think everyone deserves a path to redemption. I appreciate Hulk Hogan taking the time to apologize & hear my position today.”)
This is a step in the positive direction, mostly because of the word “hear”. From the start Hogan needed to listen to people.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 8, 2019 10:57:49 GMT -5
Look, if he's *truly* sorry and has really grown as a person, then that's fantastic.
Still has work to do to prove that his words aren't hollow
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