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Post by héad.casé on Apr 23, 2019 15:40:06 GMT -5
If it's true that Sasha signed a new deal a year ago then she probably has a lot of time left. I don't think we'll ever know the true story unless WWE get so pissed off that they make a statement defending themselves like they did when Paige was in her bad place, tweeting her failed wellness tests were a load of crap and they had no choice to put out there what she failed for (if i'm remembering that right).
Hopefully this will all work itself out. Seems pretty ugly right now but Vince has forgiven people for worse.
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Post by edgestar on Apr 23, 2019 15:40:14 GMT -5
Wish I could do this at my job. I laid on the floor at my job, once!! .....it was because I passed out, but, still.. count it! |
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Post by 111111 on Apr 23, 2019 15:41:08 GMT -5
What's to stop her taking bookings elsewhere anyway? She's an independant contractor and well within her rights to wrestle wherever she wants, just because somethings written in a contract doesn't mean its enforceable and WWE wouldn't want to risk taking it to court as there's a good chance the ruling would be against them which would completely kill the independant contactor scam dead. If this was me I'd say f*** it and give that a shot instead of sitting at home for 3 years or whatever. That's literally the entire point of a contract. No matter how big a John Oliver fan the judge is, Sasha would get destroyed in court. Unless she had the foresight to put in a guaranteed length for a title reign for belts that didn't exist when she signed the contract, she has no leg to stand on. If a contract says she's an independant contractor but then says she can't work anywhere else then the bit saying she can't work anywhere else would be invalid. Contrsct law is different everywhere but usually there's protection against unreasonable or unenforceable clauses. I'd hazard a guess most of what's in a wwe contract isn't worth the paper it's written on but has just never really been properly challenged. |
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 23, 2019 15:45:42 GMT -5
I'd hazard a guess most of what's in a wwe contract isn't worth the paper it's written on but has just never really been properly challenged. I doubt it. The WWE has been catching shit for years over the independent contractor BS. They'll have the writing in their contracts ironclad, just in case someone challenged it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 15:53:29 GMT -5
maybe she'll do other things since she has the Snoop connection
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 23, 2019 16:07:17 GMT -5
That's literally the entire point of a contract. No matter how big a John Oliver fan the judge is, Sasha would get destroyed in court. Unless she had the foresight to put in a guaranteed length for a title reign for belts that didn't exist when she signed the contract, she has no leg to stand on. If a contract says she's an independant contractor but then says she can't work anywhere else then the bit saying she can't work anywhere else would be invalid. Contrsct law is different everywhere but usually there's protection against unreasonable or unenforceable clauses. I'd hazard a guess most of what's in a wwe contract isn't worth the paper it's written on but has just never really been properly challenged. Being an independent contractor is not per se incompatible with exclusivity. I think on the whole WWE wrestlers would fail to meet the standard of an independent contractor though, considering all the factors together. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 23, 2019 16:09:03 GMT -5
I'd hazard a guess most of what's in a wwe contract isn't worth the paper it's written on but has just never really been properly challenged. I doubt it. The WWE has been catching shit for years over the independent contractor BS. They'll have the writing in their contracts ironclad, just in case someone challenged it. The independent contractor thing isn't really about the contract validity though, but about what WWE's obligations would be to employees vs independent contractors under various laws. I'm unaware of them facing actual scrutiny in a courtroom for either the independent contractor issue, or on other contractual matters like their sometimes absurd non-compete clauses. They usually settle out of court in some way, like with Brock and Del Rio. |
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Apr 23, 2019 16:19:05 GMT -5
So, I'm gonna be that guy again...
Does anyone have ANYTHING to back up the claims that Sasha is difficult or egomaniacal, other than one recent report from sources even worse than Meltzer that sounds about as made up as it gets? I mean, not only is the idea of Sasha doing that insane, but Bayley too? And right after taking a smiling photo with the new champs? I ain't buying that goofy shit and I can't believe anyone actually is. Also, people are reading WAY too much into a very basic Tweet from Bayley.
Not to mention that nothing has ever really come out about her attitude before. None of the women seem to have an issue with her, except possibly Alexa (which may or may not be a work). I've never heard anything about her being problematic until all this, which...
Sasha went from being a top dog in NXT and her early main roster run to...just nothing. They aren't doing anything with her and haven't in a LONG time. Then they toss her the tag titles, which she apparently helped even make a reality, finally starts having a purpose again...and then loses them in a fluke win to a joke team. If there is ANY truth to the supposed promise of being allowed to keep the titles and make them mean something, I could see that being the final straw.
As hard as it may be for some of you to believe, not everyone is satisfied simply by making a lot of money. Some folks want to have a purpose, to push themselves, to find new territory in their field. Some people actually give a shit about what they do. Neville, for example. How is Sasha making her stand any different? Neville could have continued making good money and just going through the motions until his contract ran out. But he didn't want that. He wanted more, and he wanted them to not do anymore damage to his brand. So he went home, and by doing so, made himself one of the most anticipated returns in the business in a LONG time.
So how is Sasha different? She's unhappy with the way she's being used and is making a stand, same as Neville. Or Harper. Or Goldust. Or Itami. Or any of the other folks that have asked for releases lately. Yet, none of them seem to be getting the same treatment as Sasha. In fact, almost all of them are being applauded for what they've done.
It just seems really odd that in a company chock full of people trying to get out, it's been decided that this ONE person is bad, and not the company in this situation.
All the others? "WWE is awful and this person is doing the right thing by leaving."
Sasha Banks? "She has an attitude problem from what I heard 5th-hand by a wannabe Dave Meltzer so she should just shut up and do her job."
Makes no f***ing sense.
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Post by Shy Guy on Apr 23, 2019 16:20:49 GMT -5
I am kinda curious about what Sasha's demands are. A time machine so she is basically Becky and get to main event WrestleMania. But also, still have the women tag titles and defend those at mania successfully. |
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Post by cjh on Apr 23, 2019 16:21:29 GMT -5
It's in the best interest of both of them to let her move on. Having someone being openly unhappy backstage and causing problems with other talent isn't worth the merch she moves or whatever. They don't need to have her in any building where they run a show. Just pay her for the rest of her contract, but tell her to stay at home. She'll have to reconcile with losing two or more years of her career. They'll have to continuing paying Sasha if they want to hold her to the contract. If they don't want to pay her to sit at home and not work, they have to release her or get her to return. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 23, 2019 16:24:17 GMT -5
I am kinda curious about what Sasha's demands are. A shrubbery! |
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 23, 2019 16:24:43 GMT -5
They don't need to have her in any building where they run a show. Just pay her for the rest of her contract, but tell her to stay at home. She'll have to reconcile with losing two or more years of her career. They'll have to continuing paying Sasha if they want to hold her to the contract. If they don't want to pay her to sit at home and not work, they have to release her or get her to return. They're paying about three hundred people, and only using a fraction of them on TV. I doubt paying Sasha to sit at home is going to bother them at all. |
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 16:45:12 GMT -5
So, I'm gonna be that guy again... Does anyone have ANYTHING to back up the claims that Sasha is difficult or egomaniacal, other than one recent report from sources even worse than Meltzer that sounds about as made up as it gets? I mean, not only is the idea of Sasha doing that insane, but Bayley too? And right after taking a smiling photo with the new champs? I ain't buying that goofy shit and I can't believe anyone actually is. Also, people are reading WAY too much into a very basic Tweet from Bayley. Not to mention that nothing has ever really come out about her attitude before. None of the women seem to have an issue with her, except possibly Alexa (which may or may not be a work). I've never heard anything about her being problematic until all this, which... Sasha went from being a top dog in NXT and her early main roster run to...just nothing. They aren't doing anything with her and haven't in a LONG time. Then they toss her the tag titles, which she apparently helped even make a reality, finally starts having a purpose again...and then loses them in a fluke win to a joke team. If there is ANY truth to the supposed promise of being allowed to keep the titles and make them mean something, I could see that being the final straw. As hard as it may be for some of you to believe, not everyone is satisfied simply by making a lot of money. Some folks want to have a purpose, to push themselves, to find new territory in their field. Some people actually give a shit about what they do. Neville, for example. How is Sasha making her stand any different? Neville could have continued making good money and just going through the motions until his contract ran out. But he didn't want that. He wanted more, and he wanted them to not do anymore damage to his brand. So he went home, and by doing so, made himself one of the most anticipated returns in the business in a LONG time. So how is Sasha different? She's unhappy with the way she's being used and is making a stand, same as Neville. Or Harper. Or Goldust. Or Itami. Or any of the other folks that have asked for releases lately. Yet, none of them seem to be getting the same treatment as Sasha. In fact, almost all of them are being applauded for what they've done. It just seems really odd that in a company chock full of people trying to get out, it's been decided that this ONE person is bad, and not the company in this situation. All the others? "WWE is awful and this person is doing the right thing by leaving." Sasha Banks? "She has an attitude problem from what I heard 5th-hand by a wannabe Dave Meltzer so she should just shut up and do her job." Makes no f***ing sense. It really is more than one factor. Its not like Sasha isnt getting fair chance,and she isnt Ambrose/Ziggler/Punk that when given the spot they are one of the best in the company/getting the best reactions. Plus the timing.It was about losing the titles.II think i said somewhere else that there is a line between standing up for yourself and being a mark of yourself. And Sasha seems like she crosses it by thinking she deserves more than she does. Neville just wanted to be main roster by work most think he should be rightfully be prideful of. Itami also was doing nothing in a nothing show. Sasha has been be first ever tag team woman champion,headline many of the HISTORICAL first matches ,but she never put amazing displays main roster, yet she acts like she has. Its fine being unhappy and wanting to quit,but how you act and behave in that situation is different.Plus the reputation I also think has a lot to do with people being able to tell Sasha Banks is gonna lose before a match. . |
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Apr 23, 2019 17:05:50 GMT -5
So, I'm gonna be that guy again... Does anyone have ANYTHING to back up the claims that Sasha is difficult or egomaniacal, other than one recent report from sources even worse than Meltzer that sounds about as made up as it gets? I mean, not only is the idea of Sasha doing that insane, but Bayley too? And right after taking a smiling photo with the new champs? I ain't buying that goofy shit and I can't believe anyone actually is. Also, people are reading WAY too much into a very basic Tweet from Bayley. Not to mention that nothing has ever really come out about her attitude before. None of the women seem to have an issue with her, except possibly Alexa (which may or may not be a work). I've never heard anything about her being problematic until all this, which... Sasha went from being a top dog in NXT and her early main roster run to...just nothing. They aren't doing anything with her and haven't in a LONG time. Then they toss her the tag titles, which she apparently helped even make a reality, finally starts having a purpose again...and then loses them in a fluke win to a joke team. If there is ANY truth to the supposed promise of being allowed to keep the titles and make them mean something, I could see that being the final straw. As hard as it may be for some of you to believe, not everyone is satisfied simply by making a lot of money. Some folks want to have a purpose, to push themselves, to find new territory in their field. Some people actually give a shit about what they do. Neville, for example. How is Sasha making her stand any different? Neville could have continued making good money and just going through the motions until his contract ran out. But he didn't want that. He wanted more, and he wanted them to not do anymore damage to his brand. So he went home, and by doing so, made himself one of the most anticipated returns in the business in a LONG time. So how is Sasha different? She's unhappy with the way she's being used and is making a stand, same as Neville. Or Harper. Or Goldust. Or Itami. Or any of the other folks that have asked for releases lately. Yet, none of them seem to be getting the same treatment as Sasha. In fact, almost all of them are being applauded for what they've done. It just seems really odd that in a company chock full of people trying to get out, it's been decided that this ONE person is bad, and not the company in this situation. All the others? "WWE is awful and this person is doing the right thing by leaving." Sasha Banks? "She has an attitude problem from what I heard 5th-hand by a wannabe Dave Meltzer so she should just shut up and do her job." Makes no f***ing sense. It really is more than one factor. Its not like Sasha isnt getting fair chance,and she isnt Ambrose/Ziggler/Punk that when given the spot they are one of the best in the company/getting the best reactions. Plus the timing.It was about losing the titles.II think i said somewhere else that there is a line between standing up for yourself and being a mark of yourself. And Sasha seems like she crosses it by thinking she deserves more than she does. Neville just wanted to be main roster by work most think he should be rightfully be prideful of. Itami also was doing nothing in a nothing show. Sasha has been be first ever tag team woman champion,headline many of the HISTORICAL first matches ,but she never put amazing displays main roster, yet she acts like she has. Its fine being unhappy and wanting to quit,but how you act and behave in that situation is different Ok, but you're giving me an editorial, I'm asking for fact. Where has it EVER come out from a direct source that Sasha has this ego you seem so certain of? Where is a direct source to cited an example of Sasha throwing a fit? Where has Sasha or anyone directly connected even commented on these stories? Seems to me that someone with an ego as big as Sasha's supposedly is, paired with this raging desire that caused her to allegedly have a full on tantrum while LYING ON THE f***ING FLOOR LIKE A CHILD...wouldn't be too shy about commenting on these things directly. Yet she, nor anyone directly involved with the situation, has commented on ANY of this shit. None of that makes ANY sense. Even WWE itself has taken to commenting on non-kayfabe issues via social media and their website in the past. This is a huge story, I would think SOMEONE on either side would have said something by now. Yet all we have are dimestore Meltzers with vague information and *gasps in shock* no direct sources. It's all assumptions and 4th-hand information that has proven unreliable over and over again, but people treat it like gospel. People will buy ALL OF THAT before they could buy the idea that, in reality, Sasha thinks she can do better or differently elsewhere, thus requesting her release, while the company is trying to find a way to retain her because she is a fairly lucrative female athlete with name value that could be exploited elsewhere. One sounds like sensationalist reporting driven to sell subscriptions, the other sounds like a mundane business matter that happens in lots of professions everyday. I'll buy the second. |
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Post by Dub H on Apr 23, 2019 17:08:30 GMT -5
It really is more than one factor. Its not like Sasha isnt getting fair chance,and she isnt Ambrose/Ziggler/Punk that when given the spot they are one of the best in the company/getting the best reactions. Plus the timing.It was about losing the titles.II think i said somewhere else that there is a line between standing up for yourself and being a mark of yourself. And Sasha seems like she crosses it by thinking she deserves more than she does. Neville just wanted to be main roster by work most think he should be rightfully be prideful of. Itami also was doing nothing in a nothing show. Sasha has been be first ever tag team woman champion,headline many of the HISTORICAL first matches ,but she never put amazing displays main roster, yet she acts like she has. Its fine being unhappy and wanting to quit,but how you act and behave in that situation is different Ok, but you're giving me an editorial, I'm asking for fact. Where has it EVER come out from a direct source that Sasha has this ego you seem so certain of? Where is a direct source to cited an example of Sasha throwing a fit? Where has Sasha or anyone directly connected even commented on these stories? Seems to me that someone with an ego as big as Sasha's supposedly is, paired with this raging desire that caused her to allegedly have a full on tantrum while LYING ON THE f***ING FLOOR LIKE A CHILD...wouldn't be too shy about commenting on these things directly. Yet she, nor anyone directly involved with the situation, has commented on ANY of this shit. None of that makes ANY sense. Even WWE itself has taken to commenting on non-kayfabe issues via social media and their website in the past. This is a huge story, I would think SOMEONE on either side would have said something by now. Yet all we have are dimestore Meltzers with vague information and *gasps in shock* no direct sources. It's all assumptions and 4th-hand information that has proven unreliable over and over again, but people treat it like gospel. People will buy ALL OF THAT before they could buy the idea that, in reality, Sasha thinks she can do better or differently elsewhere, thus requesting her release, while the company is trying to find a way to retain her because she is a fairly lucrative female athlete with name value that could be exploited elsewhere. One sounds like sensationalist reporting driven to sell subscriptions, the other sounds like a mundane business matter that happens in lots of professions everyday. I'll buy the second. I will admit there is no hard facts,besides her dropping of the show right after losing the titles,but people will work with whats given. I dont think its reason do demonish her but its okay to think she looks a little too full of herself. But yeh she is good talent,any promotion would put her to good use. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 23, 2019 17:30:04 GMT -5
So, I'm gonna be that guy again... Does anyone have ANYTHING to back up the claims that Sasha is difficult or egomaniacal, other than one recent report from sources even worse than Meltzer that sounds about as made up as it gets? I mean, not only is the idea of Sasha doing that insane, but Bayley too? And right after taking a smiling photo with the new champs? I ain't buying that goofy shit and I can't believe anyone actually is. Also, people are reading WAY too much into a very basic Tweet from Bayley. Not to mention that nothing has ever really come out about her attitude before. None of the women seem to have an issue with her, except possibly Alexa (which may or may not be a work). I've never heard anything about her being problematic until all this, which... Sasha went from being a top dog in NXT and her early main roster run to...just nothing. They aren't doing anything with her and haven't in a LONG time. Then they toss her the tag titles, which she apparently helped even make a reality, finally starts having a purpose again...and then loses them in a fluke win to a joke team. If there is ANY truth to the supposed promise of being allowed to keep the titles and make them mean something, I could see that being the final straw. As hard as it may be for some of you to believe, not everyone is satisfied simply by making a lot of money. Some folks want to have a purpose, to push themselves, to find new territory in their field. Some people actually give a shit about what they do. Neville, for example. How is Sasha making her stand any different? Neville could have continued making good money and just going through the motions until his contract ran out. But he didn't want that. He wanted more, and he wanted them to not do anymore damage to his brand. So he went home, and by doing so, made himself one of the most anticipated returns in the business in a LONG time. So how is Sasha different? She's unhappy with the way she's being used and is making a stand, same as Neville. Or Harper. Or Goldust. Or Itami. Or any of the other folks that have asked for releases lately. Yet, none of them seem to be getting the same treatment as Sasha. In fact, almost all of them are being applauded for what they've done. It just seems really odd that in a company chock full of people trying to get out, it's been decided that this ONE person is bad, and not the company in this situation. All the others? "WWE is awful and this person is doing the right thing by leaving." Sasha Banks? "She has an attitude problem from what I heard 5th-hand by a wannabe Dave Meltzer so she should just shut up and do her job." Makes no f***ing sense. There has never been an outright source of Sasha Banks has a bad attitude
This is more so how everything that comes out about her always speaks about her attitude so it's a bit of rep that has developed
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Apr 23, 2019 18:10:49 GMT -5
I don't believe the whole temper tantrum story but that is the perception a lot of fans are going to hold now. There's always been minor rumblings about her attitude and potential bullying but this story is the one that put it over the top. If she's truly unhappy with her creative direction, then much like Ambrose the promise of money and such won't matter.
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Post by honsou on Apr 23, 2019 18:11:06 GMT -5
Sitting out a WWE contract seems like a bad idea because they could just keep you forever for sitting out. Seems like a better idea is to go to the shows, half ass it and leave as soon as your contract runs out. Just make sure you don't get hurt and you'll get out as soon as the contract runs out
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Post by No One on Apr 23, 2019 18:14:19 GMT -5
I am kinda curious about what Sasha's demands are. 1. Bring back WWF ice cream bars |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 23, 2019 18:19:40 GMT -5
They'll have to continuing paying Sasha if they want to hold her to the contract. If they don't want to pay her to sit at home and not work, they have to release her or get her to return. They're paying about three hundred people, and only using a fraction of them on TV. I doubt paying Sasha to sit at home is going to bother them at all. On the flip side, they’d rather be paying someone to work if they’re going to keep paying them. It’s why there were practically weekly meetings with Neville about coming back even though he was in a more justified position because at the very least, their investment can be a tad justified. |
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