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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 19, 2019 6:32:30 GMT -5
I don't know, a lot of these claims could only be verified if you had the police reports. Were they released to the public? Some of the points are just Benoit acting not in a logical, comprehensible way, which is to be expected from a man with severe mental issues. Well, people will be sceptical if a celebrity is murdered and the case is closed quickly. JFK was killed more than 55 years ago and people still come up with new theories about who's guilty. I don't think more investigation is going on in the case of a dead wrestler and his family than in the case of a dead president. Sandra, Nancy’s sister, addressed some of that. She saw the police report and pictures of the scene, she doubts it was because of brain trauma because Chris apparently did a number on Nancy and brutalized her instead of just killing her quickly. Then while she was dead and decomposing in the house for a full day, Benoit still tried to make arrangements to make the house shows and ppv.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 19, 2019 6:52:26 GMT -5
Chavo told WWE magazine... literally something inaccurate on the first line WWE magazine has also interviewed Chavo.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 19, 2019 7:04:10 GMT -5
I don't know, a lot of these claims could only be verified if you had the police reports. Were they released to the public? Some of the points are just Benoit acting not in a logical, comprehensible way, which is to be expected from a man with severe mental issues. Well, people will be sceptical if a celebrity is murdered and the case is closed quickly. JFK was killed more than 55 years ago and people still come up with new theories about who's guilty. I don't think more investigation is going on in the case of a dead wrestler and his family than in the case of a dead president. Sandra, Nancy’s sister, addressed some of that. ... Then while she was dead and decomposing in the house for a full day, Benoit still tried to make arrangements to make the house shows and ppv. This above all, bothers me the most. If it was a bout of madness, why not finish it there and then? He lived around the dead bodies for a couple of days, doing routine things like taking out the garbage and letting the dogs out from neighbours statements. It's horrific and poor Kevin Sullivan has nothing to do with it.
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Post by BobW on May 19, 2019 7:17:07 GMT -5
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 19, 2019 7:43:13 GMT -5
I can’t believe this is a thread still being made in 2019.
He did it. There are no “unanswered questions”, there is no reason to think “something just doesn’t add up”.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 7:54:20 GMT -5
They're horrible. End of story.
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Post by realist on May 19, 2019 7:54:57 GMT -5
To the folks who think "it just doesn't add up," I would suggest listening to the Lapsed Fan Deep Dive into the Benoit tragedy. It is a fascinating 9 to 10 hours that left no stone unturned. Spoiler: Benoit did it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 19, 2019 7:59:42 GMT -5
Sandra, Nancy’s sister, addressed some of that. ... Then while she was dead and decomposing in the house for a full day, Benoit still tried to make arrangements to make the house shows and ppv. This above all, bothers me the most. If it was a bout of madness, why not finish it there and then? He lived around the dead bodies for a couple of days, doing routine things like taking out the garbage and letting the dogs out from neighbours statements. I can see why this would be confusing and scary, but try to bear in mind that you are trying to apply logic to literal madness. Madness either has no logic or has its own logic that is nonsensical to the 'sane.'
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Post by Kayfabe on May 19, 2019 8:11:13 GMT -5
Benoit was probably my favorite wrestler in WCW, but I can’t do mental gymnastics because of it; he did this unthinkable crime and I have to accept it.
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Post by Nosnorb on May 19, 2019 8:31:57 GMT -5
As we all know, Richard Nixon faked the moon landings on Venus.
Every other conspiracy theory is a pile of baloney, including someone other than Chris Benoit killing his family.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 19, 2019 11:01:18 GMT -5
Then while she was dead and decomposing in the house for a full day, Benoit still tried to make arrangements to make the house shows and ppv. Thats something that needs to be talked about more. He hung around for awhile after he killed her. He tried to make flight plans to continue wrestling after killing his son. He tried to get away with it. That takes away some of the “Oh it was a fit of rage caused by his mental issues and once he realized what he did, he felt guilty” thing.
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Post by The Ichi on May 19, 2019 11:14:31 GMT -5
Then while she was dead and decomposing in the house for a full day, Benoit still tried to make arrangements to make the house shows and ppv. Thats something that needs to be talked about more. He hung around for awhile after he killed her. He tried to make flight plans to continue wrestling after killing his son. He tried to get away with it. That takes away some of the “Oh it was a fit of rage caused by his mental issues and once he realized what he did, he felt guilty” thing. Pretty much. He killed himself before the police could get to him, not out of remorse.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 19, 2019 11:16:54 GMT -5
I fully admit that there are a lot of questions I have surrounding this tragedy. From my own personal perspective it felt too open and shut to me. It's widely known that Benoit was massively paranoid and wrote journal entries about believing people were after him, how he would take different routes to the arena or to home in order not to create a pattern, and the fact that for me there's just a lot of unanswered questions. Regarding his paranoia at being followed and someone being out to get him, I don't believe I've ever seen anyone present a credible reason that Benoit would be targeted. No mob connections, no shady friends he might have done wrong, no obsessive stalker. The closest people have come up with is the ex-husband of his wife, who did a gimmick where he was evil, back in the early 90s. Is it possible that some random psychopath fixated on Benoit and decided to kill him, without ever being noticed by anyone else - neighbours, friends, co-workers - and was so good at covering their tracks that the police could find no trace? I guess it's theoretically possible, but it seems far more likely that a man with mashed potato for a brain imagined he was being targeted by someone because he couldn't think properly any more. I call it the Dino Bravo connection that Bret Hart discussed about in his book when Bravo was murdered. The theory was an interesting one and made me believe that it's possible Benoit might've gotten himself mixed in with a shady crowd. Remember his close friends even said how private, stern, and quiet Benoit was and if anything was bothering him no one could've gotten the information out of him. I think any and all theories regardless of how laughable they might be deserves some research and questions. To simply dismiss even the most over the top ones is disingenuous. Needless to say the only truth we can agree on is that it's an unexplainable tragedy. All we have to go on is the unfortunate nature of our imagination as to what transpired.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 19, 2019 11:21:48 GMT -5
Thats something that needs to be talked about more. He hung around for awhile after he killed her. He tried to make flight plans to continue wrestling after killing his son. He tried to get away with it. That takes away some of the “Oh it was a fit of rage caused by his mental issues and once he realized what he did, he felt guilty” thing. Pretty much. He killed himself before the police could get to him, not out of remorse. I honestly think it was remorse. I don't believe he meant to kill Nancy at all. Once again I point back to the Val Venis and Bob Holly interviews when they discussed it. Most likely scenario is both Chris and Nancy were drinking, an argument ensued that resulted in Benoit losing himself and choking her out. Afterwards he's thinking she's going to wake up and when she doesn't, at that moment it's when begins to sober up, calm down, and realize what he's done. I don't know what to say about the hanging around the dead bodies since that's new information for me. I was under the impression that he killed Nancy and Daniel the same day, then killed himself. I do believe that when Eddie died that was the beginning of the end for Chris though.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 19, 2019 11:23:38 GMT -5
Then while she was dead and decomposing in the house for a full day, Benoit still tried to make arrangements to make the house shows and ppv. Thats something that needs to be talked about more. He hung around for awhile after he killed her. He tried to make flight plans to continue wrestling after killing his son. He tried to get away with it. That takes away some of the “Oh it was a fit of rage caused by his mental issues and once he realized what he did, he felt guilty” thing. Eh, it's quite possible due to the brain damage that he carried on with usual plans despite the crimes he committed. I don't think it's as simple as "trying to get away with it". There's no way he could've. He didn't attempt to hide the evidence in anyway. Someone would've found out eventually.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 19, 2019 11:28:58 GMT -5
Regarding his paranoia at being followed and someone being out to get him, I don't believe I've ever seen anyone present a credible reason that Benoit would be targeted. No mob connections, no shady friends he might have done wrong, no obsessive stalker. The closest people have come up with is the ex-husband of his wife, who did a gimmick where he was evil, back in the early 90s. Is it possible that some random psychopath fixated on Benoit and decided to kill him, without ever being noticed by anyone else - neighbours, friends, co-workers - and was so good at covering their tracks that the police could find no trace? I guess it's theoretically possible, but it seems far more likely that a man with mashed potato for a brain imagined he was being targeted by someone because he couldn't think properly any more. I call it the Dino Bravo connection that Bret Hart discussed about in his book when Bravo was murdered. The theory was an interesting one and made me believe that it's possible Benoit might've gotten himself mixed in with a shady crowd. Remember his close friends even said how private, stern, and quiet Benoit was and if anything was bothering him no one could've gotten the information out of him. I think any and all theories regardless of how laughable they might be deserves some research and questions. To simply dismiss even the most over the top ones is disingenuous. Needless to say the only truth we can agree on is that it's an unexplainable tragedy. All we have to go on is the unfortunate nature of our imagination as to what transpired. I was thinking of Dino Bravo when I made my post. In his case, plenty of people knew about his connections to crime, and all of that came out after he was killed. And that usually ends up being the case, with mob killings - Someone knows, and reveals it after the fact. With Benoit, not a single person has come forward with a credible rationale for anyone wanting him dead. His brain was swiss cheese, as confirmed by an autopsy. Paranoia and delusions are common symptoms of dementia, and have been documented in other cases of CTE. Unless anyone has actual evidence to suggest another culprit, the narrative and evidence we already know are completely convincing.
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Post by realist on May 19, 2019 11:30:02 GMT -5
I went back and listened to the Lapsed Fan Benoit Tragedy episode. Apparently, Nancy Benoit told close friends, "if anything happens to me, Chris probably did it..." Also, there were restraining orders and a history of domestic abuse. Chris Benoit was an amazing fake fighter. He was also a shitty husband, father, and human being. People need to accept that.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 19, 2019 11:44:47 GMT -5
I went back and listened to the Lapsed Fan Benoit Tragedy episode. Apparently, Nancy Benoit told close friends, "if anything happens to me, Chris probably did it..." Also, there were restraining orders and a history of domestic abuse. Chris Benoit was an amazing fake fighter. He was also a shitty husband, father, and human being. People need to accept that. The restraining orders, domestic abuse, and divorce attempts are common knowledge. If she did say this, why didn't anyone step in and get her and Daniel out of that situation? It could've saved both of their lives. I blame this more on close friends who knew of those statements and just let it slide.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 19, 2019 11:48:23 GMT -5
I went back and listened to the Lapsed Fan Benoit Tragedy episode. Apparently, Nancy Benoit told close friends, "if anything happens to me, Chris probably did it..." Also, there were restraining orders and a history of domestic abuse. Chris Benoit was an amazing fake fighter. He was also a shitty husband, father, and human being. People need to accept that. The restraining orders, domestic abuse, and divorce attempts are common knowledge. If she did say this, why didn't anyone step in and get her and Daniel out of that situation? It could've saved both of their lives. I blame this more on close friends who knew of those statements and just let it slide. I don’t know, I kinda blame the person that killed them for killing them more than people that didn’t kill them.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 19, 2019 11:58:39 GMT -5
The restraining orders, domestic abuse, and divorce attempts are common knowledge. If she did say this, why didn't anyone step in and get her and Daniel out of that situation? It could've saved both of their lives. I blame this more on close friends who knew of those statements and just let it slide. I don’t know, I kinda blame the person that killed them for killing them more than people that didn’t kill them. Benoit of course deserves blame. The people that knew of the abuse and did nothing to stop it deserve a massive ton of it as well. If one of my friends were to come to me and say "Hey, if anything happens to me. Joe probably did it.". No way in hell am I just going to sit on that information.
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