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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 23:08:06 GMT -5
Hmmm... I see these 4 choices but how come there's no "they haven't caught me yet so until they do I'm not supporting them" option? I've seen a lot of people online about that prior to Double or Nothing. Shit, I personally wasn't fully in until after that ppv. I know I wasn't the only one.
Yeah but that camp isn't one that isn't supporting now. That's just "show me why I should" first, which is entirely understandable. The difference being, those 4 he listed are the ones who made up their minds beforehand.
So the list isn't really "here's the groups who don't like/don't want to support AEW" but rather "he's the list of groups who don't like/don't want to support them regardless of what they do or who they are." Hmmm... I see these 4 choices but how come there's no "they haven't caught me yet so until they do I'm not supporting them" option? I've seen a lot of people online about that prior to Double or Nothing. Shit, I personally wasn't fully in until after that ppv. I know I wasn't the only one.
The thing is... I haven't actually encountered people who have actually had a "wait and see" approach to this, like "how about when AEW has their first few shows on TNT?", and that's honestly the one group that I can buy and relate to entirely. They've just had their first own show, and they're only going to have a few more events like this until they make their TV debut, which will be how the layperson will get a normal taste of AEW, and that will be how AEW is truly judged. The general consensus is either "AEW is awesome" or "AEW is utter garbage". But, this is the internet, where there is no room for a middle ground. Plus, as ol' Pig himself said, they're not supporting now, or passing judgment. They're intentionally on the sidelines, waiting for that moment to make a decision. Again; the biggest thing the company needs to do is find and create new fans. WWE has done a terrible job at this, considering that viewership for their programming has dropped steadily since the late 2000s, and crashed in the past 5 years. I'm not sure about that. I've seen a few people on this very board who have changed their minds about them, supporting them and whatnot in general and that's not just with the ppv but more about who they've gained and whatnot. If people have that idea I can see it since I'm that way as well. Had I not watched the ppv there's no way I would be cool with AEW now. TNT might be the only way they can get certain people.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 26, 2019 23:10:12 GMT -5
Uh, no. I've been more than willing lately to give Bryan credit despite me having never been a fan. I've been more than willing to vent my frustrations at WWE lately despite my support of them. So to insinuate that I still do nothing but blind support of WWE like I did four years ago IS putting words in my mouth. I said it before in a different thread: I don't care if WWE has competition as long as it's not BAD competition and AEW is BAD competition. I've been given no reason for me to want to give them a chance. Just the opposite, in fact. But, why? Besides "I don't like the Elite", which boils down to personal bias more than a business concern or a complaint about how a company is potentially run, it just seems you don't like the idea of a company competing against WWE period. If you're not going to give a more concrete reason as to why you're refusing to give a promotion a shot, based on how some idiots online act, taking shots at another promotion that's been bloated and throwing its weight around and feeling like it's unfair, then you don't have much of an argument. But if you have some legitimate concerns or beliefs as to why you're not buying into the possibility of AEW as a promotion, then I'd like to hear it. You have many of the people in charge also booking themselves to be the top guys, which is a major red flag no matter who it is. You have someone just throwing money into an area he may be a fan of but likely has no familiarity with any of the business aspects since there's major differences between running an NFL team and running a wrestling promotion. The first issue has far too much potential to turn into an egofest while the second is even worse since if this fails, there's a lot of people left screwed and have to either scramble for a booking in an atrophied ROH, a still mostly isolated NJPW, or crawling back to WWE and hoping Vince or whoever may be in charge by then isn't feeling like being 2001 levels of vindictive. Even if this were being run by Finlay, MVP, Mr. Kennedy, Roman Reigns, and Jay Lethal, I would have a major problem with how things are set up right now. This foundation isn't built on rock, it's built on dirt. And if it pours, the whole thing fails. How is that supposed to be good for the industry or force WWE to change anything?
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 26, 2019 23:13:35 GMT -5
Uh, no. I've been more than willing lately to give Bryan credit despite me having never been a fan. I've been more than willing to vent my frustrations at WWE lately despite my support of them. So to insinuate that I still do nothing but blind support of WWE like I did four years ago IS putting words in my mouth. I said it before in a different thread: I don't care if WWE has competition as long as it's not BAD competition and AEW is BAD competition. I've been given no reason for me to want to give them a chance. Just the opposite, in fact. ... How are they bad competition? Straight up, can you please elaborate on that point? The Young Bucks are overrated spot monkeys Kenny Omega is an overrated smark monkey Cody is an overrated bland monkey SCU are overrated SoCal monkeys Best Friends are overrated hugging monkeys Chris Jericho is an overrated midlife crisis monkey Dustin Rhodes is an overrated mid-card for life monkey PAC is an overrated abs monkey Lucha Bros are overrated wrestle for too many promotions monkeys MJF is an overrated Miz-clone monkey Sammy Guevara is an overrated asshole monkey Brandon Cutler is an overrated ride the Young Bucks' coattails monkey The Librarians are overrated intentionally bad gimmick monkeys Joey Janela is an overrated gets killed going through a table monkey Jungle Boy is an overrated hair monkey Luchasaurus is an overrated lizard monkey Brian Pillman Jr is an overrated mullet monkey Michael Nakazawa is an overrated baby oil monkey Excalibur is an overrated wears a mask to do commentary monkey Adam Page sucks
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Post by Cyno on May 26, 2019 23:15:08 GMT -5
For knowing so much about the company, you don't know a whole lot about it.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 26, 2019 23:17:09 GMT -5
... How are they bad competition? Straight up, can you please elaborate on that point? The Young Bucks are overrated spot monkeys Kenny Omega is an overrated smark monkey Cody is an overrated bland monkey SCU are overrated SoCal monkeys Best Friends are overrated hugging monkeys Chris Jericho is an overrated midlife crisis monkey Dustin Rhodes is an overrated mid-card for life monkey PAC is an overrated abs monkey Lucha Bros are overrated wrestle for too many promotions monkeys MJF is an overrated Miz-clone monkey Sammy Guevara is an overrated asshole monkey Brandon Cutler is an overrated ride the Young Bucks' coattails monkey The Librarians are overrated intentionally bad gimmick monkeys Joey Janela is an overrated gets killed going through a table monkey Jungle Boy is an overrated hair monkey Luchasaurus is an overrated lizard monkey Brian Pillman Jr is an overrated mullet monkey Michael Nakazawa is an overrated baby oil monkey Excalibur is an overrated wears a mask to do commentary monkey Adam Page sucks I draw the line at besmirching that bitchin' mullet.
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Post by Dub H on May 26, 2019 23:19:46 GMT -5
But, why? Besides "I don't like the Elite", which boils down to personal bias more than a business concern or a complaint about how a company is potentially run, it just seems you don't like the idea of a company competing against WWE period. If you're not going to give a more concrete reason as to why you're refusing to give a promotion a shot, based on how some idiots online act, taking shots at another promotion that's been bloated and throwing its weight around and feeling like it's unfair, then you don't have much of an argument. But if you have some legitimate concerns or beliefs as to why you're not buying into the possibility of AEW as a promotion, then I'd like to hear it. You have many of the people in charge also booking themselves to be the top guys, which is a major red flag no matter who it is. You have someone just throwing money into an area he may be a fan of but likely has no familiarity with any of the business aspects since there's major differences between running an NFL team and running a wrestling promotion. The first issue has far too much potential to turn into an egofest while the second is even worse since if this fails, there's a lot of people left screwed and have to either scramble for a booking in an atrophied ROH, a still mostly isolated NJPW, or crawling back to WWE and hoping Vince or whoever may be in charge by then isn't feeling like being 2001 levels of vindictive. Even if this were being run by Finlay, MVP, Mr. Kennedy, Roman Reigns, and Jay Lethal, I would have a major problem with how things are set up right now. This foundation isn't built on rock, it's built on dirt. And if it pours, the whole thing fails. How is that supposed to be good for the industry or force WWE to change anything? Just to make one thing clear,you guys can argue about the rest. Khan didnt just throw money at it, not only he had a Proof of Concept(the success of All In) he did research,showed the business plan to his father(the actual business genius of the family) which gave him the okay since it seemed promising.And The Elite is very business savvy about wrestling so they are perfect for the position to advise Khan and promote shows. It wasnt "I just feel like throwing money at my own company" like Billy Corgan did.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on May 26, 2019 23:39:30 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, this thread has a lot of heat after ONE SHOW.
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Post by benstudd on May 27, 2019 0:24:05 GMT -5
What I care about is competition. It's more important than not tripping over Cody and the Bucks or Omega. They are gonna have a large variey of performers with different wrestling styles and promo styles. It would be logical to wait for the TV show at least to see what they've got before throwing the towel. They may be wrestling's last hope for a maistream company.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 27, 2019 0:33:22 GMT -5
That's sort of what I see from people who don't like AEW or don't want to support AEW, and it tends to fall into four distinct camps: - The "WWE Fanboy" Camp
- The "I hate the Young Bucks/Cody" Camp
- The "LOL Indies" Camp
- And, the "Past History Has Shown..." Camp
Hmmm... I see these 4 choices but how come there's no "they haven't caught me yet so until they do I'm not supporting them" option? I've seen a lot of people online about that prior to Double or Nothing. Shit, I personally wasn't fully in until after that ppv. I know I wasn't the only one.
Yeah, like let’s fully transparent because an option should include people who haven’t just been on board yet and waiting to see I was in the camp of waiting and see, and still is to an extent but I’m liking the direction after this PPV and having Moxley has gotten my attention
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