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Post by Dub H on May 26, 2019 12:56:28 GMT -5
No, I'm not. When AEW is getting talked about in "can do no wrong" tones in damn near every thread in the WWE section, that goes beyond excitement and into worship. And they're not an overwhelming success when they've run, what, two shows and haven't even made it onto TV yet? They're an upstart feeding off of anti-WWE resentment. How long are they going to be able to sustain themselves on that before they have to move on and try to stand on their own merit? My guess is not very long at all. Considering the show they put on last night, I think they can stand on their own merit pretty easily. They have All In and Double Or Nothing. They definitely have show they stand on their own. I just think future PPVs and shows that are not All In are going to slow down the matches. I doubt (and dont want) a Bucks vs Lucha Bros style match every ppv,it worked for this one because its supposed to be the big debut so you expect then to get all their guns blazing.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 26, 2019 13:11:57 GMT -5
If I didn't already have some good wrestling to watch I might care more. But between ROH,NJPW and MLW I got hours of entertaining wrestling every week.PLus I have never cared for the Young Bucks. First saw them in 2008 and they haven't improved one bit since then. They are still 5th rate Hardy Boyz ripoffs.
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Post by Dub H on May 26, 2019 13:21:00 GMT -5
If I didn't already have some good wrestling to watch I might care more. But between ROH,NJPW and MLW I got hours of entertaining wrestling every week.PLus I have never cared for the Young Bucks. First saw them in 2008 and they haven't improved one bit since then. They are still 5th rate Hardy Boyz ripoffs. Cant agree with the comment but if youalready have good wrestling no reason to watch. I feel like AEW was made for those who feel like they dont have an alternative they like/can follow.
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Post by Dub H on May 26, 2019 13:25:10 GMT -5
Nothing about the Elite is “take that dad.” The Elite name is based on them being “Elite” or the best in wrestling. Kind of like a modern day four horsemen. The Sledgehammer thing last night was a minor part of the entrance that was never mentioned again. It felt more symbolic of breaking through the ceiling in wrestling than anything else. Also fit in with Cody overcoming his brothers shadow.The show was more about how talented the AEW roster is and focused on talent wanting to be the champion. It was storyline driven but simply told. The approach was simplistic but effective. You should give it a chance and watch rather than forming opinions based on second hand information. You may still not like it but I feel you might have the wrong impression of what The Rlite are trying to present. It is 2nd hand a lot,the All Elite jab I didn't clarify. It Reeeeeeks of indy upstart/ 10 yr old boy to me. I've laughed at the name since launch. Thank you for the positive neutral reply, I'll probably give it a go down the line when results are forgotten and I finish this One Piece rewatch (on episode 56/880+ :X) Edit. Esp the chair. My friend straight up lied and said it was during the match (hey, matt!) I mean i`m not gonna lie and say there wasnt no jabs. But none of then very felt childish at least and were minor part of the shows.(Brandi clearly ribbed on the "authority figure with real backstage pull inserts thenselves in the match" trope).
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Post by clifford on May 26, 2019 13:31:27 GMT -5
All I know is that this is the most I've watched wrestling since I was like 12 or 13.
I finished Double or Nothing last night and then realised there's a Takeover next Saturday. It was a giddy feeling.
NXT and NXT UK will soon be joined by AEW's weekly show as wrestling shows I watch every week.
WWE Network also seem to be putting out great documentaries/behind the scenes stuff on a weekly basis. They are stepping up the content they put out (Raw/Smackdown aside).
Competition is good. It makes everyone try harder. I'm digging this. My love of wrestling has been reignited the last 12 months.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 26, 2019 13:51:17 GMT -5
You’re right but it’s just that something snapped after that happened, a love I had for more than twenty years dissipated. That’s fair, it happens to everyone at some point or another, I’d wager; you feel some burnout on a hobby, your hopes get high for something in it, then they’re dashed, and it’s hard to work that excitement back. It’s like having a favorite team that sucks for awhile; they make some big moves one offseason, you get hyped, but the season starts and they suck again, anyway, just makes it all the harder to watch. I was a big Ryback fan and they turned him heel and his career never recovered, same thing happened with Braun. I should be happy that for the first time in more than twenty years there's actual competition to Vince, but unfortunately I can't bring myself to care.
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Post by cactussam on May 26, 2019 13:56:00 GMT -5
That’s fair, it happens to everyone at some point or another, I’d wager; you feel some burnout on a hobby, your hopes get high for something in it, then they’re dashed, and it’s hard to work that excitement back. It’s like having a favorite team that sucks for awhile; they make some big moves one offseason, you get hyped, but the season starts and they suck again, anyway, just makes it all the harder to watch. I was a big Ryback fan and they turned him heel and his career never recovered, same thing happened with Braun. I should be happy that for the first time in more than twenty years there's actual competition to Vince, but unfortunately I can't bring myself to care. I can tell you that after Benoit I took a 5 year break on wrestling and I had been a fan for 20 years at that point. Gradually I started getting more and more into I and really enjoyed Double or Nothing last night. Do what makes you happy I say.
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Post by Pierre the Renaissance Man on May 26, 2019 14:37:22 GMT -5
Don’t care at all. Saw results all over and barely glanced at them. Guarantee that if someone so much as throw out a poker chip or something like that on Raw everyone’s gonna say WWE is being petty. Cody smashing a throne with a sledgehammer isn’t considered that as far as I’ve seen.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 26, 2019 15:03:16 GMT -5
I don’t care enough to spend $50 or whatever obsolete prices they’re asking for their PPVs. I can afford it but I can also already watch all the quality wrestling that I want to for free. I won’t be buying an AEW t-shirt either. I’m not consumed by the hype. I am open minded about watching their show whenever it debuts.
Since I was a kid I’ve watched all the pro wrestling I could find on television whether it was WWF / WWE, NWA / WCW, AWA, WCCW, GWF, ICW / IWCCW, ECW, TNA, ROH, WXO, WSX, LLUSA or Lucha Underground. I’ll definitely be tuning in to watch their first show on TNT. If TNA comes back to cable television I’ll probably watch them too. I still occasionally watch WWE. If I end up liking AEW more I’ll end up watching them more. I’ll gladly give them a chance but I’m not in the “Vince is pooping with his pants on” camp. AEW still has a whole lot to prove. Money is definitely helping them get there but money alone won’t be enough.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 26, 2019 15:12:20 GMT -5
Don’t care at all. Saw results all over and barely glanced at them. Guarantee that if someone so much as throw out a poker chip or something like that on Raw everyone’s gonna say WWE is being petty. Cody smashing a throne with a sledgehammer isn’t considered that as far as I’ve seen. Even if that exact sequence of events were the case and even if Cody smashing the throne wasn't pretty universally agreed to be a massive dig to WWE--which makes me wonder what you've seen and if that just includes like, literally just posts on this board--we're still talking a huge difference of scale here. A man who left WWE because he didn't feel like he was being appreciated goes, starts his own company, kicks it off with a really successful show and a TV deal, takes a dig at his old boss who said he'd never be at this level. On the other side, the big company with decades of legacy and billions in revenue, taking a kick at the little guy on their prime time television deal about to transition into a 325 million/year contract. And all of that is of course ignoring the pissant comment at the Hall of Fame, which was very much the opening petty shot as far as televised stabs goes.
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Post by Tenshigure on May 26, 2019 15:28:23 GMT -5
I think it's universally agreed upon that the $50 price-point for the PPV shows is a bit steep considering the alternatives being far more cost-effective. It's even okay to not really be a fan of what AEW stands for or the people on the roster if they're not your thing.
That said, I can't think of a single reason to not want them to succeed if it means the WWE will finally start making smart business decisions to make things more interesting rather than the same rinse-and-repeat storylines or last-minute illogical changes to their card when a serious threat looms.
Last time they didn't take their competition seriously, they slipped into second place in the US pro wrestling scene; if they want to ensure their dominance, they won't let sleeping dogs lie and make sure to keep their current audience properly entertained and their talents happy. If not, they're going to have a serious problem on their hands whether there are fans who 'don't care' what they do...there's a healthy enough number out there that do care, and will make it well known with their wallets.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 15:35:05 GMT -5
Cody hit a throne with a sledgehammer, so what?? It was a cool visual. Wrestling is supposed to be fun. A lot of wrestling fans are hyped and excited and they're playing into it. Good for them.
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Post by ssdrivin on May 26, 2019 15:40:25 GMT -5
I think it's universally agreed upon that the $50 price-point for the PPV shows is a bit steep considering the alternatives being far more cost-effective. It's even okay to not really be a fan of what AEW stands for or the people on the roster if they're not your thing. That said, I can't think of a single reason to not want them to succeed if it means the WWE will finally start making smart business decisions to make things more interesting rather than the same rinse-and-repeat storylines or last-minute illogical changes to their card when a serious threat looms. Last time they didn't take their competition seriously, they slipped into second place in the US pro wrestling scene; if they want to ensure their dominance, they won't let sleeping dogs lie and make sure to keep their current audience properly entertained and their talents happy. If not, they're going to have a serious problem on their hands whether there are fans who 'don't care' what they do...there's a healthy enough number out there that do care, and will make it well known with their wallets. Honestly, as a Brit who has no interest in "real" sports (boxing, UFC, F1, football/soccer, etc) I've never really been interested in paying to see specific events (unless I'm physically at them, in the arena), and I was/I am very much reluctant to pay even the £15 ($20 US) it costs here for a WWE or AEW PPV. I never did so for WWE, which is a much larger, more reliable prospect with a huge track record, and I don't think I could see that changing any time soon. I did pay for DoN, which was an anomaly in itself, kinda spur of the moment thing out of sheer curiosity after being undecided/leaning towards "no" for weeks, but I can absolutely understand why people wouldn't want to pay $50-60 for it (or any other PPV, for that matter). I get that the PPVs are big blowout live events and that they're not free to perform, but as I think a couple of other people mentioned, would it not make more sense to get more people interested at a lower price point than a few people at a higher price point? Wrestling's not exactly at its peak right now, and I think $50 is only going to put people off who would otherwise have been curious and would've bought in for the fun of it, if it'd been cheaper. I don't know how the PPV market is doing in the US or elsewhere, but I can only imagine that fewer and fewer people are going to want to pay $50+ for 3-4 hours of what is essentially an unusually athletic drama show. WWE obviously realised that ahead of time, they cut the cost of viewing way down and threw in a massive bucketload of side content to get people to buy in, and while some other companies don't have that kind of library to use as an incentive I do think the PPV prices (particularly in the US) are going to have to come down at some point.
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Post by Moppy on May 26, 2019 15:51:21 GMT -5
All I know is that this is the most I've watched wrestling since I was like 12 or 13. I finished Double or Nothing last night and then realised there's a Takeover next Saturday. It was a giddy feeling. NXT and NXT UK will soon be joined by AEW's weekly show as wrestling shows I watch every week. WWE Network also seem to be putting out great documentaries/behind the scenes stuff on a weekly basis. They are stepping up the content they put out (Raw/Smackdown aside). Competition is good. It makes everyone try harder. I'm digging this. My love of wrestling has been reignited the last 12 months. You get outta here talking so much common sense and positivity, you!
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Post by Venti on May 26, 2019 16:00:12 GMT -5
They got me convinced now, I'm excited! I cant wait to see the TV show. Ironically enough, TNT is like right next to USA on my cable guide. That works for me because after I finish watching Raw, the day AEW airs I just gotta turn on the TV and flip one channel lol!
This all feels so surreal but in a good way! Everything from my avatar not being something from WWE, knowing that we are gonna get all these great wrestlers giving us their unleashed creative ideas in the ring.. the highlights of that PPV that I saw reminded me of what wrestling should be: fun, exciting, and in the case of Moxley debuting, wild!
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Post by fw91 on May 26, 2019 16:16:40 GMT -5
Cody hit a throne with a sledgehammer, so what?? It was a cool visual. Wrestling is supposed to be fun. A lot of wrestling fans are hyped and excited and they're playing into it. Good for them. I think the beef is is that acceptance of it all seems the first instance of the inevitable double standard, of “AEW good, WWE bad.”
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Post by Cyno on May 26, 2019 16:19:32 GMT -5
I think it's universally agreed upon that the $50 price-point for the PPV shows is a bit steep considering the alternatives being far more cost-effective. It's even okay to not really be a fan of what AEW stands for or the people on the roster if they're not your thing. That said, I can't think of a single reason to not want them to succeed if it means the WWE will finally start making smart business decisions to make things more interesting rather than the same rinse-and-repeat storylines or last-minute illogical changes to their card when a serious threat looms. Last time they didn't take their competition seriously, they slipped into second place in the US pro wrestling scene; if they want to ensure their dominance, they won't let sleeping dogs lie and make sure to keep their current audience properly entertained and their talents happy. If not, they're going to have a serious problem on their hands whether there are fans who 'don't care' what they do...there's a healthy enough number out there that do care, and will make it well known with their wallets. Honestly, as a Brit who has no interest in "real" sports (boxing, UFC, F1, football/soccer, etc) I've never really been interested in paying to see specific events (unless I'm physically at them, in the arena), and I was/I am very much reluctant to pay even the £15 ($20 US) it costs here for a WWE or AEW PPV. I never did so for WWE, which is a much larger, more reliable prospect with a huge track record, and I don't think I could see that changing any time soon. I did pay for DoN, which was an anomaly in itself, kinda spur of the moment thing out of sheer curiosity after being undecided/leaning towards "no" for weeks, but I can absolutely understand why people wouldn't want to pay $50-60 for it (or any other PPV, for that matter). I get that the PPVs are big blowout live events and that they're not free to perform, but as I think a couple of other people mentioned, would it not make more sense to get more people interested at a lower price point than a few people at a higher price point? Wrestling's not exactly at its peak right now, and I think $50 is only going to put people off who would otherwise have been curious and would've bought in for the fun of it, if it'd been cheaper. I don't know how the PPV market is doing in the US or elsewhere, but I can only imagine that fewer and fewer people are going to want to pay $50+ for 3-4 hours of what is essentially an unusually athletic drama show. WWE obviously realised that ahead of time, they cut the cost of viewing way down and threw in a massive bucketload of side content to get people to buy in, and while some other companies don't have that kind of library to use as an incentive I do think the PPV prices (particularly in the US) are going to have to come down at some point. I don't know how it did over in the UK, but McGregor vs Mayweather got a lot of people to plunk down $100(!) for the PPV broadcast of that joke of a fight here in the US, and boxing isn't exactly in great shape overall.
I think future shows should be cheaper than $50, but if AEW's smart they'll do some sort of promotion down the line with bars, restaurants, and universities to air the PPV's so groups of people can watch the PPV without paying the full price. WWE was really smart about this with their blast areas and AEW doing this would build a lot of brand awareness and create more paying customers.
Also wouldn't be surprised to see them do a sort of AEW Network type thing down the line once they have a lot more shows under their belt. But that simply isn't an option now as they have like, literally no tape library.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 26, 2019 16:24:40 GMT -5
Cody hit a throne with a sledgehammer, so what?? It was a cool visual. Wrestling is supposed to be fun. A lot of wrestling fans are hyped and excited and they're playing into it. Good for them. I think the beef is is that acceptance of it all seems the first instance of the inevitable double standard, of “AEW good, WWE bad.” f***ing hell we're already starting trying to call people out on hypocrisy or double standards because they're being positive about something? I assure you, it's ok to let people like something without trying to convince them they're wrong for it.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 26, 2019 16:29:11 GMT -5
Cody hit a throne with a sledgehammer, so what?? It was a cool visual. Wrestling is supposed to be fun. A lot of wrestling fans are hyped and excited and they're playing into it. Good for them. I think the beef is is that acceptance of it all seems the first instance of the inevitable double standard, of “AEW good, WWE bad.” I think the beef is that when your main complaint about something is its fans not liking the thing you may or may not like but are clearly expressing some manner of favoritism toward, and you need to talk about how those fans are wrong or hypocritical or being contrarian or motivated solely by a need to spite another product, you are falling more irrevocably into the trappings of consumer identity than anyone you're criticizing. If people don't want to lie AEW I really don't think anyone is going to mind, but this thread is structured on taking a position that disliking AEW is being done for reasons so much deeper than taste or interest in what the Elite is selling, and framing the whole thing as some kind of beleaguered defense of a multi-billion dollar company that is being victimized by all these peoploe who want to not like it. I feel like whenever non-fans are drawing the battle lines it's a real bad time and always a red flag.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 26, 2019 16:29:24 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel bad for people who don't like AEW. I feel like they're missing out on this special thing happening. It's usually because they have this "no competition for WWE" obsession, or hate the Bucks or Cody. That's cool and all, but it's kind of sad.
Like, I felt like I went to church last night. I paid 50$ and felt like I would pay 100$ for that experience, and I'm cheap. I'e been in love with wrestling since 1987, and that was a top 5 experience for me.
If you don't like it, or even worse you don't like it because a part of the fanbase bashes WWE, it's your loss.
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