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Post by Prince Petty on May 26, 2019 10:56:44 GMT -5
It’s not worship. While you may not like those involved many here are big fans of them. For many here it goes deeper. When I grew up there were many options for awesome major wrestling. WWF, Mid South, NWA and WCCW were all major players I could watch. That evolved and became WWF/WCW and was joined by ECW. There were multiple options for guys trying to make it. If one company screwed up you could always watch another and talent not utilized had choices. Now we are down to one company that hasn’t been “good” in a while and the entire business in NA has become stake. The Elite have built up a following by doing many of the things we asked for (character development, different story telling, good in ring work) and have made a name outside of the WWE umbrella. Their efforts have helped others gain notice from others. For many of us it is like watching the underdog home team actually succeed and trying to change the business. AEW has been nothing but an overwhelming success and last night was an overwhelming win for those who have watched these guys since they started in PWG as “spot monkeys” years ago. It isn’t worship in any sense. Just a very positive thing for those of us watching and following. You are mistaking excitement for worship. If you don’t like them that is fine but you have to also understand how eager many are for the US to have a second viable major company again. No, I'm not. When AEW is getting talked about in "can do no wrong" tones in damn near every thread in the WWE section, that goes beyond excitement and into worship. And they're not an overwhelming success when they've run, what, two shows and haven't even made it onto TV yet? They're an upstart feeding off of anti-WWE resentment. How long are they going to be able to sustain themselves on that before they have to move on and try to stand on their own merit? My guess is not very long at all. AEW are the same as any startup company that looks like it might threaten a monopoly - incredibly popular with people who resent that monopoly. This isn't WWE specific at all, it's simply human nature to want choice, and to want to see the big boys get taken down a peg or two. Competition is healthy, in practically every walk of life, and particularly when it comes to corporations. It's better for customers and for the staff of those companies, who all gain power simply because they have another option. To not want competition seems very odd, as a consumer. Because even if you fully intend to stay loyal to your brand, the competition for other customers should make things better for you anyway.
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Post by fw91 on May 26, 2019 10:57:20 GMT -5
Never have, never will. I've been beyond sick of the AEW worship since it was announced and I do not like many of the people involved. The door is that way. See this is what I mean. It's too early in the game for me to get worked up. But the thread actually ask if there is anybody who don't care about AEW. He gave his explanation why. You post things like this in a RAW thread, and it starts a long argument. I don't think there is any malice behind your post, but I'm just tying to have some foresight for the sake of having fun on the forum.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 26, 2019 11:03:22 GMT -5
No, I'm not. When AEW is getting talked about in "can do no wrong" tones in damn near every thread in the WWE section, that goes beyond excitement and into worship. And they're not an overwhelming success when they've run, what, two shows and haven't even made it onto TV yet? They're an upstart feeding off of anti-WWE resentment. How long are they going to be able to sustain themselves on that before they have to move on and try to stand on their own merit? My guess is not very long at all. AEW are the same as any startup company that looks like it might threaten a monopoly - incredibly popular with people who resent that monopoly. This isn't WWE specific at all, it's simply human nature to want choice, and to want to see the big boys get taken down a peg or two. Competition is healthy, in practically every walk of life, and particularly when it comes to corporations. It's better for customers and for the staff of those companies, who all gain power simply because they have another option. To not want competition seems very odd, as a consumer. Because even if you fully intend to stay loyal to your brand, the competition for other customers should make things better for you anyway. Except there's been alternatives to WWE before since 2002. TNA had the best chance but royally shit the bed, ROH has had good stretches but since 2016 they've been mediocre or worse, and NJPW tried to do stuff stateside but the response wasn't really overwhelming. There's no reason to believe AEW will fare much better even with massive wealth and hype behind them.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 26, 2019 11:08:26 GMT -5
AEW are the same as any startup company that looks like it might threaten a monopoly - incredibly popular with people who resent that monopoly. This isn't WWE specific at all, it's simply human nature to want choice, and to want to see the big boys get taken down a peg or two. Competition is healthy, in practically every walk of life, and particularly when it comes to corporations. It's better for customers and for the staff of those companies, who all gain power simply because they have another option. To not want competition seems very odd, as a consumer. Because even if you fully intend to stay loyal to your brand, the competition for other customers should make things better for you anyway. Except there's been alternatives to WWE before since 2002. TNA had the best chance but royally shit the bed, ROH has had good stretches but since 2016 they've been mediocre or worse, and NJPW tried to do stuff stateside but the response wasn't really overwhelming. There's no reason to believe AEW will fare much better even with massive wealth and hype behind them. So why hate someone else trying to do it? If they fail, you lose nothing. If they succeed and become competitive enough to be on the WWE's radar, you probably benefit from the WWE trying harder and innovating to stay on top.
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Post by ayumidah on May 26, 2019 11:12:17 GMT -5
I'm interested in it, but I didn't have the money for either All In or last night's show. I will be checking out the weekly show though.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 26, 2019 11:12:56 GMT -5
AEW are the same as any startup company that looks like it might threaten a monopoly - incredibly popular with people who resent that monopoly. This isn't WWE specific at all, it's simply human nature to want choice, and to want to see the big boys get taken down a peg or two. Competition is healthy, in practically every walk of life, and particularly when it comes to corporations. It's better for customers and for the staff of those companies, who all gain power simply because they have another option. To not want competition seems very odd, as a consumer. Because even if you fully intend to stay loyal to your brand, the competition for other customers should make things better for you anyway. Except there's been alternatives to WWE before since 2002. TNA had the best chance but royally shit the bed, ROH has had good stretches but since 2016 they've been mediocre or worse, and NJPW tried to do stuff stateside but the response wasn't really overwhelming. There's no reason to believe AEW will fare much better even with massive wealth and hype behind them. I lost faith in TNA when Jarrett beat Raven. Other than them no one has had a major network. TNA failed. Maybe AEW will as well but at least we have a chance at another company being a viable major alternative. AEW has more buzz than any of those combined, has a major network and is selling more tickets than those other ever hoped to This feels different
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Post by fw91 on May 26, 2019 11:15:51 GMT -5
Except there's been alternatives to WWE before since 2002. TNA had the best chance but royally shit the bed, ROH has had good stretches but since 2016 they've been mediocre or worse, and NJPW tried to do stuff stateside but the response wasn't really overwhelming. There's no reason to believe AEW will fare much better even with massive wealth and hype behind them. So why hate someone else trying to do it? If they fail, you lose nothing. If they succeed and become competitive enough to be on the WWE's radar, you probably benefit from the WWE trying harder and innovating to stay on top. I get what you're saying. But there is too much anti-WWE resentment among the AEW "fanbase." It creates unrealistic expectations and hype. Its like there is an intriguing product, but we just want to stick it to the WWE and their homers.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 26, 2019 11:22:30 GMT -5
So why hate someone else trying to do it? If they fail, you lose nothing. If they succeed and become competitive enough to be on the WWE's radar, you probably benefit from the WWE trying harder and innovating to stay on top. I get what you're saying. But there is too much anti-WWE resentment among the AEW "fanbase." It creates unrealistic expectations and hype. Its like there is an intriguing product, but we just want to stick it to the WWE and their homers. Even a lot of loyal WWE fans will openly say the WWE sucks. The general feeling on this forum, as well as on Reddit (the only two places I read about wrestling) is that the WWE is a lazy, complacent company that has some really shitty working practices and wastes a lot of the potential it has. So isn't "sticking it to them" a good thing, if it makes them try harder? I don't know, I never watched TNA but I always wanted them to do well. I never watch ROH, but always wanted them to grow and succeed. Because I like wrestlers more than I like companies. If someone I really like is stuck in WWE: Main Event hell, I'd love to think he could get the chance to go somewhere and have a more prominent role.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 26, 2019 11:24:33 GMT -5
Never have, never will. I've been beyond sick of the AEW worship since it was announced and I do not like many of the people involved. You sure end up in a lot of AEW threads for not caring so much. Oh, including the "rate DoN" voting pool oddly enough. You seem to care quite a bit.
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Post by fw91 on May 26, 2019 11:28:09 GMT -5
I get what you're saying. But there is too much anti-WWE resentment among the AEW "fanbase." It creates unrealistic expectations and hype. Its like there is an intriguing product, but we just want to stick it to the WWE and their homers. Even a lot of loyal WWE fans will openly say the WWE sucks. The general feeling on this forum, as well as on Reddit (the only two places I read about wrestling) is that the WWE is a lazy, complacent company that has some really shitty working practices and wastes a lot of the potential it has. So isn't "sticking it to them" a good thing, if it makes them try harder? I don't know, I never watched TNA but I always wanted them to do well. I never watch ROH, but always wanted them to grow and succeed. Because I like wrestlers more than I like companies. If someone I really like is stuck in WWE: Main Event hell, I'd love to think he could get the chance to go somewhere and have a more prominent role. Again, I get you. But for everyone who shares your reasoning, there's those who will jump the gun and say, "WWE is put on notice" "WWE better watch out," or "Vince is f***ed!" At this time all of that is pretty stupid. Give it a few years.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 26, 2019 11:33:30 GMT -5
Even a lot of loyal WWE fans will openly say the WWE sucks. The general feeling on this forum, as well as on Reddit (the only two places I read about wrestling) is that the WWE is a lazy, complacent company that has some really shitty working practices and wastes a lot of the potential it has. So isn't "sticking it to them" a good thing, if it makes them try harder? I don't know, I never watched TNA but I always wanted them to do well. I never watch ROH, but always wanted them to grow and succeed. Because I like wrestlers more than I like companies. If someone I really like is stuck in WWE: Main Event hell, I'd love to think he could get the chance to go somewhere and have a more prominent role. Again, I get you. But for everyone who shares your reasoning, there's those who will jump the gun and say, "WWE is put on notice" "WWE better watch out," or "Vince is f***ed!" At this time all of that is pretty stupid. Give it a few years. I mean, those people are setting themselves up for a fall. Because even if AEW does end up as legitimate competition for the WWE, it won't be for a long time. A great PPV and even a great start to their TV deal, isn't a good substitute for years of market saturation, name recognition, infrastructure and business relationships. And, chances are, those fans will turn on AEW too, the first time a creative decision is made that they don't like.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 26, 2019 11:33:34 GMT -5
I think a big thing is that AEW seems to be catering to what we as fans have been asking for. A simplistic approach, focus on tag wrestling, focus on the belt being the main focus and good in ring work.
I can’t fault the ring work in WWE. However everything is going agai st those other things we want. A 7 hour Wrestlemania, busy presentation that seemingly gets worse and even now one of the main props (MitB) is held by a part timer making yet another year where a main belt or prop is held by a non entity.
One company seems to be listening while Vince seems to play the fiddle while Rome burns.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 26, 2019 11:35:17 GMT -5
It’s not worship. While you may not like those involved many here are big fans of them. For many here it goes deeper. When I grew up there were many options for awesome major wrestling. WWF, Mid South, NWA and WCCW were all major players I could watch. That evolved and became WWF/WCW and was joined by ECW. There were multiple options for guys trying to make it. If one company screwed up you could always watch another and talent not utilized had choices. Now we are down to one company that hasn’t been “good” in a while and the entire business in NA has become stake. The Elite have built up a following by doing many of the things we asked for (character development, different story telling, good in ring work) and have made a name outside of the WWE umbrella. Their efforts have helped others gain notice from others. For many of us it is like watching the underdog home team actually succeed and trying to change the business. AEW has been nothing but an overwhelming success and last night was an overwhelming win for those who have watched these guys since they started in PWG as “spot monkeys” years ago. It isn’t worship in any sense. Just a very positive thing for those of us watching and following. You are mistaking excitement for worship. If you don’t like them that is fine but you have to also understand how eager many are for the US to have a second viable major company again. No, I'm not. When AEW is getting talked about in "can do no wrong" tones in damn near every thread in the WWE section, that goes beyond excitement and into worship. And they're not an overwhelming success when they've run, what, two shows and haven't even made it onto TV yet? They're an upstart feeding off of anti-WWE resentment. How long are they going to be able to sustain themselves on that before they have to move on and try to stand on their own merit? My guess is not very long at all. That depends I guess on if you watched last night at all? There was one cute little stab at Triple H in Cody's entrance and even that seemed symbolically more a sense of "WWE's undisputed reign over wrestling is coming to an end". That whole show was them standing on their own merit and the resounding response to it has been a positive one. Also at what point does the idea that both shows they've put on performed well financially and critically, and that they have a nice television deal with an actual network of note become actual point of "Okay this is going places?" WWE right now is shitting the bed, and I can at least understand why people resent WWE. What you're doing is resenting AEW for being what people resenting WWE are putting their hopes into and that's a whole other layer down of ridiculous.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 26, 2019 11:40:55 GMT -5
I don't, but I still want it to succeed for the good of the business as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 11:43:41 GMT -5
This thread is an interesting read.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 26, 2019 11:51:54 GMT -5
So why hate someone else trying to do it? If they fail, you lose nothing. If they succeed and become competitive enough to be on the WWE's radar, you probably benefit from the WWE trying harder and innovating to stay on top. I get what you're saying. But there is too much anti-WWE resentment among the AEW "fanbase." It creates unrealistic expectations and hype. Its like there is an intriguing product, but we just want to stick it to the WWE and their homers. Having listened to all of the crowd responses nah, people liked the product. People want a wrestling show they can like. Last night was it. They were white hot for stuff all night long because it specifically as good and fun, not because it wasn't taking place in Vince's ring. Too many people in wrestling fandom think they're psychics who know what people think and why they think it, and it's horseshit. There's absolutely people who want to see someone rise up and compete with WWE, or who want an accessible and mainstream non-WWE product, or even just have the faint glimmer WWE gets scared and actually becomes good again. That doesn't mean the product isn't standing up on its own or people who just blindly want to stick it to WWE are even going to be the ones following and supporting the company. If someone's watching and committed to AEW now that they have seen what AEW is, it's not just because they want to make Vince feel sad they're watching someone else's show, that's ludicrous.
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Post by Kalmia on May 26, 2019 12:18:02 GMT -5
I don't really care about AEW in particular, but I do care that there's a new promotion stepping up with a good TV deal, some buzz and (so far at least) seems a good place for wrestlers to work at. I've been reading/watching all of the news with interest and may check out the weekly show when it airs.
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Post by Dub H on May 26, 2019 12:25:04 GMT -5
AEW are the same as any startup company that looks like it might threaten a monopoly - incredibly popular with people who resent that monopoly. This isn't WWE specific at all, it's simply human nature to want choice, and to want to see the big boys get taken down a peg or two. Competition is healthy, in practically every walk of life, and particularly when it comes to corporations. It's better for customers and for the staff of those companies, who all gain power simply because they have another option. To not want competition seems very odd, as a consumer. Because even if you fully intend to stay loyal to your brand, the competition for other customers should make things better for you anyway. Except there's been alternatives to WWE before since 2002. TNA had the best chance but royally shit the bed, ROH has had good stretches but since 2016 they've been mediocre or worse, and NJPW tried to do stuff stateside but the response wasn't really overwhelming. There's no reason to believe AEW will fare much better even with massive wealth and hype behind them. TNA had really awful leadership and was infest of old-timers. ROH just never clicked,dont know why. NJPW has hard access and culture barriers. AEW has by all means show they can produce good shows and have business savvy people on charge, are North American and made easy access world wide.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 26, 2019 12:50:11 GMT -5
Except there's been alternatives to WWE before since 2002. TNA had the best chance but royally shit the bed, ROH has had good stretches but since 2016 they've been mediocre or worse, and NJPW tried to do stuff stateside but the response wasn't really overwhelming. There's no reason to believe AEW will fare much better even with massive wealth and hype behind them. TNA had really awful leadership and was infest of old-timers. ROH just never clicked,dont know why. NJPW has hard access and culture barriers. AEW has by all means show they can produce good shows and have business savvy people on charge, are North American and made easy access world wide. TNA had a good place and it self-destructed through poor management and the Hogan years. ROH was the giant at a time when things weren't really broadly accessible, and when it finally had the chances, it ended up hamstrung by Sinclair and being past its glory days. New Japan is pushing a slow expansion on a lower rung channel and being a foreign product will always be an obstacle to finding a domestic foothold., where a narrow subset of fans are interested enough to and can afford to travel off to see their few shows, where a domestic touring product is far more capable of settling in a base. And even in spite of these companies not being able to go head to head with Vince they all had heights of success and proving there was a market for them on even the small scael where you need to be some measure of tapped in to really have access to them.
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Post by Cyno on May 26, 2019 12:52:20 GMT -5
It’s not worship. While you may not like those involved many here are big fans of them. For many here it goes deeper. When I grew up there were many options for awesome major wrestling. WWF, Mid South, NWA and WCCW were all major players I could watch. That evolved and became WWF/WCW and was joined by ECW. There were multiple options for guys trying to make it. If one company screwed up you could always watch another and talent not utilized had choices. Now we are down to one company that hasn’t been “good” in a while and the entire business in NA has become stake. The Elite have built up a following by doing many of the things we asked for (character development, different story telling, good in ring work) and have made a name outside of the WWE umbrella. Their efforts have helped others gain notice from others. For many of us it is like watching the underdog home team actually succeed and trying to change the business. AEW has been nothing but an overwhelming success and last night was an overwhelming win for those who have watched these guys since they started in PWG as “spot monkeys” years ago. It isn’t worship in any sense. Just a very positive thing for those of us watching and following. You are mistaking excitement for worship. If you don’t like them that is fine but you have to also understand how eager many are for the US to have a second viable major company again. No, I'm not. When AEW is getting talked about in "can do no wrong" tones in damn near every thread in the WWE section, that goes beyond excitement and into worship. And they're not an overwhelming success when they've run, what, two shows and haven't even made it onto TV yet? They're an upstart feeding off of anti-WWE resentment. How long are they going to be able to sustain themselves on that before they have to move on and try to stand on their own merit? My guess is not very long at all. Considering the show they put on last night, I think they can stand on their own merit pretty easily.
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