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Post by HMARK Center on May 27, 2019 8:12:07 GMT -5
NJPW: "AEW is a new organization to start from now, and we do not know what kind of relationship we would [have]." Also NJPW: You know guys, if I didn't know any better...I'd say they have a working relationship or something! BRING ON THE FANTASY BOOKING! Again, I wouldn't necessarily take it quite that far yet, but obviously Omega, Jericho, and Moxley, at minimum, have all had "is allowed to work international dates that don't conflict with AEW" put into their contracts. This could end up being a lot like the 80s and 90s, where big name American talent would more frequently pop over to Japan for a big card or a short tour, to go along with the increase in the number of foreign wrestlers signing full-time deals, which is also very exciting. That said, I wouldn't anticipate Mox for, say, G1 or anything, looking at the calendar it appears that'd conflict with doing Fight for the Fallen. |
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on May 27, 2019 8:17:14 GMT -5
Is it corny to say the paradigm shift would be a cool new name for dirty deeds? |
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Post by Raskovnik on May 27, 2019 8:20:14 GMT -5
NJPW: "AEW is a new organization to start from now, and we do not know what kind of relationship we would [have]." Also NJPW: You know guys, if I didn't know any better...I'd say they have a working relationship or something! BRING ON THE FANTASY BOOKING! It would certainly be in both parties' best interests to forge a working relationship if the AEW buzz keeps up. Getting the NJPW product into however many homes TNT broadcasts to would be killer on their end, and AEW gets to bolster their already incredibly deep roster with even more world-class talent. |
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Post by Tenshigure on May 27, 2019 8:24:10 GMT -5
Again, I wouldn't necessarily take it quite that far yet, but obviously Omega, Jericho, and Moxley, at minimum, have all had "is allowed to work international dates that don't conflict with AEW" put into their contracts. This could end up being a lot like the 80s and 90s, where big name American talent would more frequently pop over to Japan for a big card or a short tour, to go along with the increase in the number of foreign wrestlers signing full-time deals, which is also very exciting. That said, I wouldn't anticipate Mox for, say, G1 or anything, looking at the calendar it appears that'd conflict with doing Fight for the Fallen. I might have meant to have a hint of sarcasm in that original post, but I digress there is one important thing to get across here in the current situation: AEW is not holding their exclusive talents like Moxley back from venturing out to other companies. This is the kind of creative and professional freedom he's been wanting for ages, and now that he's had it you can bet he is going to be an extremely loyal asset to the company. The fact that it's hinted he's going to be going after Juice Robinson (FKA CJ Parker), another 'failed WWE prospect,' speaks volumes to the frustrated WWE roster. It's not a matter of poaching or pirating the best of their talent, it's a matter of showing them that AEW is indeed a legitimate alternative that can give them a potential second chance if they feel they aren't getting the best opportunities where they are at. That said, not everyone wanting to jump ship are going to find success at AEW...but nevertheless, the fact the option is there is absolutely amazing for everyone involved. |
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Post by Tenshigure on May 27, 2019 8:25:36 GMT -5
Is it corny to say the paradigm shift would be a cool new name for dirty deeds? I honestly wish he'd go back to the Headlock Driver as his finishers. The double-arm DDT is okay and all, but the original form was so much brutal looking (plus I REALLY want to see Omega take it from him!). |
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Post by Prince Petty on May 27, 2019 8:39:25 GMT -5
So I reckon Moxley is on an accelerated trajectory that will be the path for anyone in WWE to follow, if they want to get to AEW - let your contract run down, accept indie bookings, work in Japan, and after that I think AEW may be interested. But for most guys, I don't think jumping straight over will be an option. I think AEW will want to avoid being seen as the place for 'failed' WWE guys to go.
Having said that, if Rusev and Cesaro found themselves there, a year from now? I'd be genuinely thrilled.
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Post by Convoy on May 27, 2019 8:44:18 GMT -5
Moxley was my first guess for that vignette, and the potential dream matches for him in New Japan are staggering.
Imagine how a Moxley/Naito or Moxley/Suzuki bout could look.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 27, 2019 8:50:56 GMT -5
So I reckon Moxley is on an accelerated trajectory that will be the path for anyone in WWE to follow, if they want to get to AEW - let your contract run down, accept indie bookings, work in Japan, and after that I think AEW may be interested. But for most guys, I don't think jumping straight over will be an option. I think AEW will want to avoid being seen as the place for 'failed' WWE guys to go. Having said that, if Rusev and Cesaro found themselves there, a year from now? I'd be genuinely thrilled. The most important part they should learn from Mox is to keep your freaking mouth shut on twitter or backstage about wanting to leave or wanting to go to AEW. Just keep your head down, be humble, zip your lips, and let your contract run out in silence. |
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Post by salz4life on May 27, 2019 8:52:39 GMT -5
Not reading, but writing? Nobody told me there would be homework. Yeah it's crazy when you imagine where he was in WWE and mind you I'm factoring the idea that AEW didn't exist this time last year nor did we know he was thinking about leaving. After reports came out about WWE looking into those who's contracts are going to run out I wouldn't be surprised to see they increase the money even more.
What I REALLY wanna see are the reports this week about AEW backstage, the Moxley interview and most importantly the WWE backstage notes. Man, this is gonna be an amazing week.
Triple H is going to be even more pissed at Vince, and there will be more calls from the talent for Trips to take over. I'd love to see somebody like Braun in AEW (if the reports are any indication of what it's going to be like), and in New Japan. I think the dude would kill it in both, and they'd probably let him win some big matches. Braun would be amazing in Japan. Don't they love their "gaijin hosses"? |
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Post by Dub H on May 27, 2019 9:00:55 GMT -5
So I reckon Moxley is on an accelerated trajectory that will be the path for anyone in WWE to follow, if they want to get to AEW - let your contract run down, accept indie bookings, work in Japan, and after that I think AEW may be interested. But for most guys, I don't think jumping straight over will be an option. I think AEW will want to avoid being seen as the place for 'failed' WWE guys to go. Having said that, if Rusev and Cesaro found themselves there, a year from now? I'd be genuinely thrilled. The most important part they should learn from Mox is to keep your freaking mouth shut on twitter or backstage about wanting to leave or wanting to go to AEW. Just keep your head down, be humble, zip your lips, and let your contract run out in silence. To be fair I dont think Harper talked about going to AEW in specific,he just asked for release. Which sucks you cant be mature with your employer and simply talk about being released. |
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Post by HMARK Center on May 27, 2019 9:01:10 GMT -5
So I reckon Moxley is on an accelerated trajectory that will be the path for anyone in WWE to follow, if they want to get to AEW - let your contract run down, accept indie bookings, work in Japan, and after that I think AEW may be interested. But for most guys, I don't think jumping straight over will be an option. I think AEW will want to avoid being seen as the place for 'failed' WWE guys to go. Having said that, if Rusev and Cesaro found themselves there, a year from now? I'd be genuinely thrilled. Yep, talent is talent, and AEW can avoid having the "home for WWE rejects" aura that TNA developed if they bring in talented wrestlers whom they have actual creative plans for. Too often TNA would bring someone in with no real clear idea in mind what they wanted them to do, but I have faith these guys will be smarter than that. Rusev almost feels like a given at this stage; I'd be less sure about Cesaro, but, well...he does have a whole lot of his old Chikara buddies hanging around AEW... Come to think of it, I wouldn't put money on them jumping either, but the Bucks are still close with Steen and Generico. The connections are absolutely there, so who knows? |
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Post by cabbageboy on May 27, 2019 9:17:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't bother with Owens or Zayn at this point. I think both of those guys are such scorched earth that they can't draw anyone any money. Owens also has a 5 year deal with WWE that he just signed last year, so he'll be even more buried and stale by 2023.
Rusev would be a terrific signing. I do wonder though...if you're AEW how hard would you really push ex WWE guys? Moxley is one thing. He was a heavily pushed star for years and a former WWE champion. If they sign Rusev and put the world title on him it might make the company look a bit second tier, or at least you gotta figure WWE is going to mention it. Guys like Foley and Austin were like this except they had a fresh coat of paint in the WWF so gimmick wise they weren't the same as WCW.
It is only a matter of time before NJPW starts full blown working with AEW. After all, it isn't equitable for AEW to send guys to Japan if NJPW isn't sending anyone here. Here is a prediction on NJPW's involvement with American promotions: They will not cut all ties with ROH, but you'll see lower level New Japan guys going there or young lions who need seasoning. The big guns though? I think they'll go to AEW for some shows.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 27, 2019 9:25:01 GMT -5
So I reckon Moxley is on an accelerated trajectory that will be the path for anyone in WWE to follow, if they want to get to AEW - let your contract run down, accept indie bookings, work in Japan, and after that I think AEW may be interested. But for most guys, I don't think jumping straight over will be an option. I think AEW will want to avoid being seen as the place for 'failed' WWE guys to go. Having said that, if Rusev and Cesaro found themselves there, a year from now? I'd be genuinely thrilled. Yep, talent is talent, and AEW can avoid having the "home for WWE rejects" aura that TNA developed if they bring in talented wrestlers whom they have actual creative plans for. Too often TNA would bring someone in with no real clear idea in mind what they wanted them to do, but I have faith these guys will be smarter than that. Rusev almost feels like a given at this stage; I'd be less sure about Cesaro, but, well...he does have a whole lot of his old Chikara buddies hanging around AEW... Come to think of it, I wouldn't put money on them jumping either, but the Bucks are still close with Steen and Generico. The connections are absolutely there, so who knows? Cody has also namedropped Cesaro in interviews as a guy he's very high on. I think Cesaro has a place in AEW for as long as he wants it either as a singles wrestler allowed to cut loose and just be the wrestling machine he is, or if Ohno came with him, as a reformed KoW. I actually think he's more likely to jump than Rusev. There were a lot of shoutouts to Steen & Generico. While I am still firmly in the "Kevin Owens is extremely overrated and Sami Zayn is at most upper midcard" camp, there's no denying they'd be gets. But honestly, I like AEW's current vibe of fresh young faces and guys who haven't had that platform, with a sprinkling of big names reinventing themselves. If too many guys jump they lose that, and not everyone can successfully reinvent themselves (I'm looking at you Aaron Rex). |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 27, 2019 9:53:55 GMT -5
It helps that Ambrose/Moxley had a pre-existing pre-WWE identity, that many people were already at least somewhat familiar with (even if it's just that he was the "unhinged violent deathmatch guy from CZW"), that he could and wanted to go back to.
Rusev, on the other hand, talented as he is, doesn't have any of that. He'd be starting from scratch all over again, so it might be better for someone like him, once his contract runs out, to spend 6 months or so in the indies to work out his new act, before he'd sign with AEW.
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Post by Talent Name on May 27, 2019 10:04:50 GMT -5
Moxley should use the hook and ladder
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 27, 2019 10:14:04 GMT -5
So I reckon Moxley is on an accelerated trajectory that will be the path for anyone in WWE to follow, if they want to get to AEW - let your contract run down, accept indie bookings, work in Japan, and after that I think AEW may be interested. But for most guys, I don't think jumping straight over will be an option. I think AEW will want to avoid being seen as the place for 'failed' WWE guys to go. Having said that, if Rusev and Cesaro found themselves there, a year from now? I'd be genuinely thrilled. The most important part they should learn from Mox is to keep your freaking mouth shut on twitter or backstage about wanting to leave or wanting to go to AEW. Just keep your head down, be humble, zip your lips, and let your contract run out in silence. Plus I think Mox was more bored than anything in WWE rather than fully unhappy. He didnt badmouth the WWE and from all accounts any program they offered him to stay didnt interest him (one being another Shield Reunion) While a genuinely feel bad for how Luke Harper and the Revival have been treated in saying they didnt want to resign there are a few with WWE who have not impressed me in how they voiced or are voicing their displeasure |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:42:38 GMT -5
AEW bringing in the likes of Luke Harper, The Revival, CM Punk and Shinsuke Nakamura wouldn’t be seen as “Oh we’re just bringing in every ex WWE guy now”
These guys would legit fit the company and take it to new levels.
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Post by Convoy on May 27, 2019 11:07:32 GMT -5
At the same time, AEW won't have room for everyone. Let's say they have a two-hour weekly show, plus a PPV event on average every 5-6 weeks.
Do they really need a roster of more than 50 men + women (currently 39 listed on their roster page which doesn't count SSB, Mox, Spears, Dustin, Riho or Gibbs)? I'm all for creative freedom and getting folks paid, but there's only so much time to go around.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 27, 2019 11:10:29 GMT -5
I wouldn't bother with Owens or Zayn at this point. I think both of those guys are such scorched earth that they can't draw anyone any money. Owens also has a 5 year deal with WWE that he just signed last year, so he'll be even more buried and stale by 2023. Rusev would be a terrific signing. I do wonder though...if you're AEW how hard would you really push ex WWE guys? Moxley is one thing. He was a heavily pushed star for years and a former WWE champion. If they sign Rusev and put the world title on him it might make the company look a bit second tier, or at least you gotta figure WWE is going to mention it. Guys like Foley and Austin were like this except they had a fresh coat of paint in the WWF so gimmick wise they weren't the same as WCW. It is only a matter of time before NJPW starts full blown working with AEW. After all, it isn't equitable for AEW to send guys to Japan if NJPW isn't sending anyone here. Here is a prediction on NJPW's involvement with American promotions: They will not cut all ties with ROH, but you'll see lower level New Japan guys going there or young lions who need seasoning. The big guns though? I think they'll go to AEW for some shows. Key difference: AEW isn't "sending" anybody to New Japan, those guys are acting independently of AEW due to the language in their contracts allowing them to work internationally as long as it doesn't conflict with AEW responsibilities, which will likely be the same deal for PAC vis a vis Dragon Gate. That said, I do think there'll come a time when some kind of deal might be struck. I remember reading that ROH was the party in the three-way NJPW/ROH/AEW meeting that backed out on all three of them working together, but I have to figure that at some point somebody high up in ROH will have to go to Sinclair and say "if you're not going to fund us better than this, then there's no way we're gonna be able to compete directly with these guys, so why not work with them, instead?" NJPW might, in the meantime, tell ROH at some point "you're our first American partner, but we're going to let some guys work AEW cards, so...yeah." |
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Post by abjordans on May 27, 2019 11:14:08 GMT -5
Moxley’s vision for this character is pretty cool. You can tell when WWE was like “so tell us about your character” and Ambrose was like “I’m a dirt bag”. But WWE was like “A fun one?”. Ambrose checked his bank account and was like “sure”.
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