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Post by eJm on Jun 1, 2019 10:06:40 GMT -5
We can't say "the buck stops with Vince" when things are bad and then find addendums to remove any credit from him when things are good. Can't have that both ways. You can credit the man for his success where he has succeed without being just silly about it. The man is not now, nor ever has been a genius. Einsten, Mozart, Da Vinci, and men of that ilk were geniuses. Vince was a really good promoter and a ruthless businessman. Who, let’s be honest, are a dime a dozen. Wall Street was about people like Vince except relating to the stock market, for example.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 1, 2019 11:23:12 GMT -5
Did he though? How well did Smackdown as a brand do while he was being treated as though he was a star player there? Not well. He was a main eventer in the sense that was the position he was in on the card, not in the sense that fans wanted him there and were willing to tune in to see him get beat. He was put into the main event with little build, he didn't go from a tag guy after an amazing, well written build that had everyone hooked, it was 'Farooq is gone now, Bradshaw is rich and a jerk, cheap heat, cheap heat, main event.' He could have done better, given decent build, but fans were given no reason to care, so they didn't, not exactly a genius move on Vince's part. see in your explanation of JBL came to be... you aren't wrong. That's why to me it was amazing call because after a while he became believable and credible. Unlike say Jinder. They stuck at it with JBL far longer than they did with Jinder, even as Smackdown as a brand died on it's feet with him at the top, while with Jindner, he went back to being just some guy in a short period of time and stopped being featured particularly prominently. The two are alike in a lot of ways, they both got pushed from nothing, got their jobber lackeys and the fans hated them for the wrong reason, the only real difference is Vince's attnetion span is much shorter now and he gives up on projects much faster.
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Post by abjordans on Jun 1, 2019 11:26:40 GMT -5
see in your explanation of JBL came to be... you aren't wrong. That's why to me it was amazing call because after a while he became believable and credible. Unlike say Jinder. They stuck at it with JBL far longer than they did with Jinder, even as Smackdown as a brand died on it's feet with him at the top, while with Jindner, he went back to being just some guy in a short period of time and stopped being featured particularly prominently. The two are alike in a lot of ways, they both got pushed from nothing, got their jobber lackeys and the fans hated them for the wrong reason, the only real difference is Vince's attnetion span is much shorter now and he gives up on projects much faster. Strong disagree. Jinder was a straight up jobber, Bradshaw was established as part of The Acolytes, they had been around for years and were strongly booked. JBL’s mic skills were also leagues away from Jinders and he was also a better worker. They are not a good comparison in my opinion. At all.
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Post by eJm on Jun 1, 2019 11:30:39 GMT -5
They stuck at it with JBL far longer than they did with Jinder, even as Smackdown as a brand died on it's feet with him at the top, while with Jindner, he went back to being just some guy in a short period of time and stopped being featured particularly prominently. The two are alike in a lot of ways, they both got pushed from nothing, got their jobber lackeys and the fans hated them for the wrong reason, the only real difference is Vince's attnetion span is much shorter now and he gives up on projects much faster. Strong disagree. Jinder was a straight up jobber, Bradshaw was established as part of The Acolytes, they had been around for years and were strongly booked. JBL’s mic skills were also leagues away from Jinders and he was also a better worker. They are not a good comparison in my opinion. At all. Well, both lead to low rating periods for Smackdown so they seem like the best obvious of comparison.
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Post by abjordans on Jun 1, 2019 11:31:47 GMT -5
Strong disagree. Jinder was a straight up jobber, Bradshaw was established as part of The Acolytes, they had been around for years and were strongly booked. JBL’s mic skills were also leagues away from Jinders and he was also a better worker. They are not a good comparison in my opinion. At all. Well, both lead to low rating periods for Smackdown so they seem like the best obvious of comparison. Smackdown ratings were already bad, it caused Eddie to have a nervous breakdown and why they took the belt off him to begin with. Let’s not twist the narrative.
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Post by eJm on Jun 1, 2019 11:33:15 GMT -5
Well, both lead to low rating periods for Smackdown so they seem like the best obvious of comparison. Smackdown ratings were already bad, it caused Eddie to have a nervous breakdown and why they took the belt off him to begin with. Let’s not twist the narrative. It’s not twisting the narrative as much as admitting a big part of why they got as low as they did during both their eras was because neither worked as champion. Jinder’s just happened to go lower.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jun 1, 2019 11:38:29 GMT -5
Smackdown ratings were already bad, it caused Eddie to have a nervous breakdown and why they took the belt off him to begin with. Let’s not twist the narrative. It’s not twisting the narrative as much as admitting a big part of why they got as low as they did during both their eras was because neither worked as champion. Jinder’s just happened to go lower. Also let's not get this twisted. Yeah, Smackdown's ratings were lower when Eddie was champion than they had been during the show's prime but they weren't that bad. Eddie was just the type of guy to stress over that kind of thing, like Angle did when ratings weren't up to the old standard during his run too. But the ratings absolutely tanked during JBL's stay at the top and equally important was attendance was down during his time as champion too. I vividly remember the threads talking about it online and a lot of people in the industry comparing it to Diesel's run as champion.
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Post by abjordans on Jun 1, 2019 11:40:45 GMT -5
Smackdown ratings were already bad, it caused Eddie to have a nervous breakdown and why they took the belt off him to begin with. Let’s not twist the narrative. It’s not twisting the narrative as much as admitting a big part of why they got as low as they did during both their eras was because neither worked as champion. Jinder’s just happened to go lower. JBL was instrumental in the rise of Cena and the end of his reign lead to the establishment of the pillar of the company for the next 10 years. Jinder was never able to create such a strong presence that he could build someone up and create a new major star by losing to them. Jinder’s reign had to get a mercy kill on free tv to an already peak over AJ Styles. Again, this is majorly short changing JBL.
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