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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jun 3, 2019 17:20:37 GMT -5
I remember just watching Hardcore TV and seeing Sign Guy on his own with nothing and wondering where his signs were. I subscribed to the Lariat back then, and soon Scherer reported this very story. (sadly he'd accept the act when they turned heel and say everyone including Bubba was doing a great job) Supposedly Bubba was butthurt because SG wasn't a fan of the Dudley gimmick, face or heel, and his repertoire every month had a few anti-Dudley signs ("Condoms prevent Dudleys!") WTF, if you're a heel shouldn't you WANT people in the crowd having signs that shit-talk you
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jun 3, 2019 17:22:37 GMT -5
WTF, if you're a heel shouldn't you WANT people in the crowd having signs that shit-talk you And not sure why it's displaying my reply as a quote, but whatev
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Post by markymark on Jun 3, 2019 17:22:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 17:25:43 GMT -5
I feel like the truth is somewhere in the middle on all of this. I don't doubt that the fan was being a real problem to get that kind of reaction, but I sure as hell don't buy that Bully Ray had him pulled before him just so he could go, "Aw, be nice, buddy," and give him a friendly pat on the back.
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Post by Doctor No on Jun 3, 2019 17:27:09 GMT -5
I'm not seeing the problem with having the fan brought backstage. If it went down the way it is stated, with him being told to knock it off and sent back to his seat, that's actually a pretty mature way to end the situation from a business standpoint. From a business standpoint it’s actually incredibly stupid. Creating a confrontation with a outside party(Bully) that wasn’t involved is pretty much the opposite of mature, throw in the fact that he is in a relationship with someone involved in the incident and it’s even worse . IF it happened there is no real business logic to handling things like this. ROH is lucky the situation didn’t turn into a fight/physical confrontation with Bully because they would have a lot to answer for criminally and civilly.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 3, 2019 17:27:12 GMT -5
So, why did they bring him backstage if they didn't find out how rude he was actually being
If anything you figure he was being that disruptive he should have been kicked out and once the lewd stuff came along than you ban him for life. Just confusing all around as while Bully could be right in "being a man" to defend these women, he also had no real place in doing so but by his own account he was being nice so who knows
Truth is somewhere in the middle
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Post by eJm on Jun 3, 2019 17:31:50 GMT -5
Also how would that be his call? He’s not a member of the administration or higher ups in the company or in Sinclair, he’s a member of creative.
He also didn’t address of Leon spat on him or not which seems like a glaring thing to miss out on.
The truth is somewhere in the middle but man, Bully hasn’t exactly made himself look good here. Neither the fan for the record.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jun 3, 2019 17:33:32 GMT -5
So Bully is either lying about being a nice guy and not knowing the severity (why even want to talk to him if it's not that bad?)..
Or he's telling the truth and he's just a dumb niave idiot. Either way, don't take the guy backstage. Makes no sense to me.
The whole "it's 2019 I was being a MAN" thing is just odd as well.
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Post by honsou on Jun 3, 2019 17:34:11 GMT -5
There were three perfectly acceptable ways to handle this
1)Ignore him 2)Have security pull him and have security say to cut it out 3)Have security remove him from the building
ROH chose none of these. The only thing they could of done to make this stupider is if Bully Ray actually beat the guy up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 17:36:26 GMT -5
I'm sure if you go to a WWE show and hurl insults and Lana security will totally take you backstage to be yelled at by Rusev....if that happened people would be going ballistic about those practices. "What did you say about Lana?!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 17:39:21 GMT -5
There's definitely more to this, as earlier mentioned, those fans ejected 'for having x sign' are always chucked out for more than they say.
However ROH bungled this BADLY.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 3, 2019 17:40:46 GMT -5
So, why did they bring him backstage if they didn't find out how rude he was actually being I think this is the part I'm getting tripped up on. If in the ROH statement they had mentioned him saying really sexist things but that they were going to look into it anyway, fine. But their response feels a bit too much of a 'dodge the issue and wait for it to blow over' kind of response, while nobody who's chimed up about it said he was saying anything all that bad or obnoxious. Usually when a fan insists they were unjustly kicked out someone is quick to point out they were up to some shit they conveniently forgot to mention. Something is f***y here.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 3, 2019 17:48:51 GMT -5
the guy's account is very suspect. as a wise US Marshall from Kentucky once said, "If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole." if one member of The Allure had an overblown reaction to mild heckling, one person had an overblown reaction; if multiple members had multiple overblown reactions, that's a tip off the guy was doing stuff that crossed the line. and the guy's clearly bullshitting when he says he was booing just to boo and not trying to get attention, because you can see him on the tape, front row, camera-right side of the entrance way, second from the end wearing a Bandido shirt with the sleeves cut off. if he was booing just to boo, he'd be booing when their back was turned. only time he says or tries to say anything is when they're looking in his direction. you can't see what he's actually doing when the incident took place, but right before then the last you see of him is when he thinks they're going to turn around, he stands up, does an RVD point to himself and starts to say something, but stops and looks visibly annoyed and frustrated because the didn't turn around. seems a bit much if all he was going to do was "Boo. You're trash. No one wants you here"
as for the actual account itself, when it was going down Ian and Colt where doing filler between the matches, and Ian's body is blocking where the guy is so you can't see what's happening there, but you can see The Allure's reaction. they all look at him as he says/does what ever he did, then Mandy flipped him off and Angelina gave him dismissive "go away" wave, and they both get out of the ring and go over to him and you hear a big "Ooh!" from the people around them (which got Cabana's attention as he turned around to see what was happening). Mandy heads to the back, Angelina stays a little bit longer before leaving, and then Velvet starts repeatedly pointing to the exit and telling him to "Get out". when he doesn't she starts calling him into the ring, and Mandy comes back out to get her to end the situation. again its a bit much for what he says was tame, good-natured, spirit of the show heel heckling
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Post by markymark on Jun 3, 2019 17:48:52 GMT -5
According to reddit, the fan put his fist on his crotch to imitate...u know when someone masturbates, in front of the Allure.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jun 3, 2019 17:54:44 GMT -5
Yo this whole thing is weird.
First off, yeah, maybe fan did shit we don’t know of.
Second you still don’t f***ing spit
Third talents gonna corner a fan backstage? Even if it was respectful that shit is weird.
Bully’s comment...LMAO..oh man. What a guy. What a hero. Oh that Bully. What a man. Not a bully.......but a man. A mer-man. Plus the inconsistencies..
ROH. Finally making the rounds and making buzz off a stupid ass sounding incident. How the mighty have fallen, man.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 3, 2019 17:54:46 GMT -5
So, why did they bring him backstage if they didn't find out how rude he was actually being I think this is the part I'm getting tripped up on. If in the ROH statement they had mentioned him saying really sexist things but that they were going to look into it anyway, fine. But their response feels a bit too much of a 'dodge the issue and wait for it to blow over' kind of response, while nobody who's chimed up about it said he was saying anything all that bad or obnoxious. Usually when a fan insists they were unjustly kicked out someone is quick to point out they were up to some shit they conveniently forgot to mention. Something is f***y here. Yea, things are starting to clash here now between Bully speaking out and ROH. One would think the fan had to say some really f***ed up shit to get spit on but once again because that's some nasty and disrespectful shit. Did Bully and security call themselves "being nice" and knowing Mandy had spit on him and apparently put her hands on him? That wasn't their call to make, if he truly said some shit to piss them off, security needs to kick him out it is that simple. It just looks fishy because of Velvet and Bully. Bully approaches him backstage after the segment is over and Velvet being the one calling this dude a virgin and sparring back and forth with him. So the original question is if Bully didn't know he said some sexist stuff, why call him backstage because it seems like you had security personally grab him and take him backstage. If Velvet and the girls didn't like what he said once again that is what security is for. There was no need to bring him backstage to say "be a fan" and show respect. Someone got their feelings hurt or possibly both did
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 3, 2019 17:55:23 GMT -5
There were three perfectly acceptable ways to handle this 1)Ignore him 2)Have security pull him and have security say to cut it out 3)Have security remove him from the building ROH chose none of these. The only thing they could of done to make this stupider is if Bully Ray actually beat the guy up. or maybe it, you know, wasn't actually ROH's doing. which is the more likely scenario of what went down: Joe Koff saw/heard what happened and told Delirious to get the head of security to have someone bring the guy backstage while he went and told Bully Ray to go talk to the guy, or Bully saw/heard what happened and told security "bring that guy over here real quick"? considering they're investigating the incident, yeah, i don't think they knew it happened and it was all Bully's doing
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Post by spagett on Jun 3, 2019 17:55:54 GMT -5
What the f*** has happened to ROH?
It's so bad now, and once you get that stink of failure on you as a wrestling company it's very very difficult to get rid of it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 3, 2019 17:57:04 GMT -5
According to reddit, the fan put his fist on his crotch to imitate...u know when someone masturbates, in front of the Allure. That's disrespectful but doesn't warrant getting spit on Once again i'm assuming he had to say some real foul shit
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 18:10:25 GMT -5
There's definitely more to this, as earlier mentioned, those fans ejected 'for having x sign' are always chucked out for more than they say. However ROH bungled this BADLY.Which seems to be ROH's modus operandi lately. It's now boiling to a "he said, he said" argument, with the fan coming off as a jackass, and Bully Ray coming off as an insecure fella trying to, depending on the story, strongarm or lecture to maintain order at his show. The other factor in all this that I do not agree with is the fact that she spat on the fan. That's a good way to go to court and get more bad publicity. There's an unwritten rule in wrestling that when a fan crosses the railing and enters the ring, that fan has a bullseye on his back for a free beating by the wrestlers if they so choose, but a wrestler crossing the rail to go after a fan is a major no-no.
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