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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 20, 2019 21:47:38 GMT -5
Remember last G1 when Tana had people believing he was starting a new faction with YOSHI and Hangman Page? Then one broke his face and the other left? Excuse you, he fell on purpose |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 20, 2019 22:12:14 GMT -5
I wonder if YOSHI loses, throws a big fit, and betrays CHAOS in some fashion. Either way, even if YOSHI-HASHI got in, he'd get a losing record. Like, who the hell would he even get wins over? Whereas Sabre's usually presented as pretty formidable. Pretending he does get in (I agree that there is 99.99% no chance on Earth Gedo would book Sabre to drop his spot to YH, nor would RevPro look for Sabre's title reign to end that way), to be fair even a sub-.500 performance would at least still have more juice behind it due to the circumstance of how he got in. It's part of why I've said I'd love to see them do "play in" tournaments in some years for final spots in the G1 during years where there isn't a crystal clear 20 man field, it'd justify some of the odd ball choices (e.g. people being surprised at Archer being in this year) and would take a guy who would probably only finish with 6 points or whatever but make them feel like a bigger deal just for making it that far. Bright side of this match is that YH played his role well in the 10 man elimination tag, and showed more fire than he has in forever, and the crowd was digging it. Down side, he's not likely going to win, and it's doubtful anything quickly comes of it, as mini-pushes like this often seem more about maintaining a guy's spot on the roster than anything else, and YOSHI's spot is basically being that kind of "on the bubble" guy who's a click above the D-tier in NJPW, but can't be counted on to rise above C-tier. If they did want to go somewhere with this, then I'd agree that they should either have him snap following a loss with so much on the line, or put him in some kind of angle where he can finally come through with at least some moderate level of success; given how poorly the heavyweight tag scene's been booked for awhile now, I'd consider getting him into a tag set up where he breaks through and wins his first gold that way, ala Honma. A tag team would make sense, but who would be a good partner for him? I mean, Goto could also probably stand to move to the tag division, but would Yoshi be a proper teammate for him? I've seen people suggest Goto/Ishii before, and that'd obviously be cool, but either of them with Yoshi wouldn't be bad. I guess there's also Yano, but I don't know if they'd pair well. |
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Post by Convoy on Jun 20, 2019 22:24:04 GMT -5
The Goto/YOSHI team from Tag League 2017 was actually pretty solid. It was no Meiyu Tag, but no one expected them to be.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 20, 2019 23:26:18 GMT -5
Pretending he does get in (I agree that there is 99.99% no chance on Earth Gedo would book Sabre to drop his spot to YH, nor would RevPro look for Sabre's title reign to end that way), to be fair even a sub-.500 performance would at least still have more juice behind it due to the circumstance of how he got in. It's part of why I've said I'd love to see them do "play in" tournaments in some years for final spots in the G1 during years where there isn't a crystal clear 20 man field, it'd justify some of the odd ball choices (e.g. people being surprised at Archer being in this year) and would take a guy who would probably only finish with 6 points or whatever but make them feel like a bigger deal just for making it that far. Bright side of this match is that YH played his role well in the 10 man elimination tag, and showed more fire than he has in forever, and the crowd was digging it. Down side, he's not likely going to win, and it's doubtful anything quickly comes of it, as mini-pushes like this often seem more about maintaining a guy's spot on the roster than anything else, and YOSHI's spot is basically being that kind of "on the bubble" guy who's a click above the D-tier in NJPW, but can't be counted on to rise above C-tier. If they did want to go somewhere with this, then I'd agree that they should either have him snap following a loss with so much on the line, or put him in some kind of angle where he can finally come through with at least some moderate level of success; given how poorly the heavyweight tag scene's been booked for awhile now, I'd consider getting him into a tag set up where he breaks through and wins his first gold that way, ala Honma. A tag team would make sense, but who would be a good partner for him? I mean, Goto could also probably stand to move to the tag division, but would Yoshi be a proper teammate for him? I've seen people suggest Goto/Ishii before, and that'd obviously be cool, but either of them with Yoshi wouldn't be bad. I guess there's also Yano, but I don't know if they'd pair well. Guess that'd depend on the whole Hontai arrangement; it looks like Juice and Nicholls might end up challenging GOD for the belts, even though Nicholls is in CHAOS and Juice isn't, so maybe YH could find a non-CHAOS partner. I mean, no matter what they really should consider something to get the tag division back up and running. I get why they book the way they do: heavyweight singles matches are what got NJPW back to prominence and in the international spotlight in recent years, hence all the singles belts they've got now, but it'd do everyone some good to let some new pairing play around during the year outside of World Tag League. If they want to pull the trigger at some point it'd be a great way to pair off Okada and Tanahashi for a bit and give them an old school AJPW style Four Pillars tag title run for a couple of months between big singles matches, for example. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 20, 2019 23:30:41 GMT -5
Well, f*** it. I'd like to officailly challenge Yano for his spot in a thumb wrestling contenst. I await his response. If I don't recieve one in 24 hours, I'll take it as sign of his forfeit and deem him a coward.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jun 21, 2019 5:12:20 GMT -5
Well, f*** it. I'd like to officailly challenge Yano for his spot in a thumb wrestling contenst. I await his response. If I don't recieve one in 24 hours, I'll take it as sign of his forfeit and deem him a coward.  |
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jun 21, 2019 15:20:31 GMT -5
Well, f*** it. I'd like to officailly challenge Yano for his spot in a thumb wrestling contenst. I await his response. If I don't recieve one in 24 hours, I'll take it as sign of his forfeit and deem him a coward. Ya know he'd somehow find a way to hit you with a low blow to win that brutal thumb wrestling match, right? |
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Post by chrom on Jun 21, 2019 19:43:03 GMT -5
Rocky Romero is holding a seminar at the LA Dojo on July 9th
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Post by Convoy on Jun 22, 2019 9:47:55 GMT -5
Results from Niigata:
TenCozy d. Nagata & Uemura - Tenzan made Uemura tap to the Anaconda Vice
Archer & Kanemaru d. Tiger Mask & Tsuji - Archer used the EBD Claw to submit Tsuji
GOD & Owens d. Robinson, Nicholls & Narita - Owens pinned Narita after a Package Piledriver
Shingo & BUSHI d. Liger & Umino - Shingo pinned Umino after a Pumping Bomber
Naito, EVIL & SANADA d. Ibushi, Makabe & Honma - SANADA made Honma tap with Skull End
Tanahashi, Henare, Taguchi & Roppongi 3K d. White, Yujiro, ELP, Ishimori & Gedo - SHO pinned Gedo after a 3K
Okada, Ishii, Yano & YOSHI-HASHI d. Suzuki, ZSJ, Taichi & DOUKI - Yano pinned DOUKI with a rollup following a Red Mist
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jun 22, 2019 11:10:44 GMT -5
You know, from a kayfabe perspective, I wonder if any of the guys immediately just sigh when they see they're teaming up with a Young Lion. Like, "welp, not getting the winner's purse tonight."
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 22, 2019 19:37:47 GMT -5
You know, from a kayfabe perspective, I wonder if any of the guys immediately just sigh when they see they're teaming up with a Young Lion. Like, "welp, not getting the winner's purse tonight." I guess it depends. A lot must do just that, though some might like being a mentor or view it as an extra challenge to overcome. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 20:48:19 GMT -5
You know, from a kayfabe perspective, I wonder if any of the guys immediately just sigh when they see they're teaming up with a Young Lion. Like, "welp, not getting the winner's purse tonight." I'd like to think that's why the New Japan Dads are so nonchalant about their young boy teammates always losing the match. "Ah well, he's a good kid, he's learning well isn't he? Honestly I've been set to retire for years, no big deal, it's just fun watching them try their best." |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 23, 2019 5:17:28 GMT -5
You know, from a kayfabe perspective, I wonder if any of the guys immediately just sigh when they see they're teaming up with a Young Lion. Like, "welp, not getting the winner's purse tonight." I'd like to think that's why the New Japan Dads are so nonchalant about their young boy teammates always losing the match. "Ah well, he's a good kid, he's learning well isn't he? Honestly I've been set to retire for years, no big deal, it's just fun watching them try their best." Yep, there's the real life angle of "working/learning firsthand with your teachers", and then the kayfabe part can be that the Dojo Dads are already pretty set and aren't quite as concerned with the winner's purse as they might have been as younger men, so they're just glad to contribute to the future. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 24, 2019 3:02:14 GMT -5
I'd like to think that's why the New Japan Dads are so nonchalant about their young boy teammates always losing the match. "Ah well, he's a good kid, he's learning well isn't he? Honestly I've been set to retire for years, no big deal, it's just fun watching them try their best." Yep, there's the real life angle of "working/learning firsthand with your teachers", and then the kayfabe part can be that the Dojo Dads are already pretty set and aren't quite as concerned with the winner's purse as they might have been as younger men, so they're just glad to contribute to the future. I suppose there's also the factor that they, too, were a rookie at some point, one who sat under the learning tree of a veteran more than once. They're paying that forward and sharing their own knowledge and experience. |
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Post by chrom on Jun 24, 2019 7:49:31 GMT -5
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 24, 2019 9:03:44 GMT -5
I'd like to think that's why the New Japan Dads are so nonchalant about their young boy teammates always losing the match. "Ah well, he's a good kid, he's learning well isn't he? Honestly I've been set to retire for years, no big deal, it's just fun watching them try their best." Yep, there's the real life angle of "working/learning firsthand with your teachers", and then the kayfabe part can be that the Dojo Dads are already pretty set and aren't quite as concerned with the winner's purse as they might have been as younger men, so they're just glad to contribute to the future. I feel like it's impossible to suspend disbelief in a "winner's purse" anymore once WCW blew that all up with Hall and Nash and Guaranteed Deals. That's probably just me, though. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 24, 2019 12:35:56 GMT -5
Yep, there's the real life angle of "working/learning firsthand with your teachers", and then the kayfabe part can be that the Dojo Dads are already pretty set and aren't quite as concerned with the winner's purse as they might have been as younger men, so they're just glad to contribute to the future. I feel like it's impossible to suspend disbelief in a "winner's purse" anymore once WCW blew that all up with Hall and Nash and Guaranteed Deals. That's probably just me, though. Those are established acts though In the sense of money being on the line especially for a rookie, it's a good hook |
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Post by chrom on Jun 24, 2019 21:10:07 GMT -5
This marks the first time the RPW Cruiserweight title has been defended on foreign soil.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 24, 2019 22:31:01 GMT -5
I feel like it's impossible to suspend disbelief in a "winner's purse" anymore once WCW blew that all up with Hall and Nash and Guaranteed Deals. That's probably just me, though. Those are established acts though In the sense of money being on the line especially for a rookie, it's a good hook Especially since, it's not something NJPW hasn't dipped into in the past for fodder. Wasn't the whole shtick of CHAOS, especially Okada, that they wanted the titles, not for prestige, but for fat checks? Like, I kinda got the idea the Rainmaker thing was Okada being a star athlete type in contrast to Tanahashi's goody two shoes act, very "f*** you, pay me". |
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Post by Dub H on Jun 24, 2019 23:18:48 GMT -5
Those are established acts though In the sense of money being on the line especially for a rookie, it's a good hook Especially since, it's not something NJPW hasn't dipped into in the past for fodder. Wasn't the whole shtick of CHAOS, especially Okada, that they wanted the titles, not for prestige, but for fat checks? Like, I kinda got the idea the Rainmaker thing was Okada being a star athlete type in contrast to Tanahashi's goody two shoes act, very "f*** you, pay me". It was mostly through recap videos( but official NJPW ones) that i watched But wasnt one of implied reasons that Gedo turned on Okada that Okada stoped making money for him (aka winning titles)? |
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