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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 9, 2021 23:23:27 GMT -5
I just stopped because I realized I wasn't gonna change anyone's mind here, and I have better things to do than risk a possible suspension or ban just to bash a show I don't even watch.
Besides he does have a point. I was taking it a tad too personally, even if he probably shouldn't have tried to escalate things by saying that. (Just my opinion. Not trying to get into a debate or anything. Merely stating my perspective.)
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 10, 2021 2:23:11 GMT -5
Mattel straight up told him it's a sequel to Filmation without saying Filmation. Unless there was another non-Filmation 80s He-Man cartoon? --- "And for fans who were disappointed at Adam / He-Man playing a supporting role in Part One, Smith hinted that the character could feature more significantly as the series continues. “As much as one can break a toy, you can also put it back together, perhaps in a more interesting way,” he said. “ Our manifest was, ‘You’re a spiritual sequel to the legacy cartoons in the ’80s that everybody knows.’ It wasn’t ‘reinvent this, blow it apart.’ It was literally ‘keep the story going.’ There’s got to be reverence as hell.”Smith added: “If we’re lucky enough to get a second season, the real work would kick in when now we tell a story with Adam all the way through, with He-Man.” www.radiotimes.com/tv/fantasy/masters-of-the-universe-revelation-part-2-release-date/Spiritual sequel, not the literal sequel people seem to believe they were getting, and the definition of what the spirit of something is can wildly vary from person to person, it and MYP fit with what I want in spiritual successors to the vintage series just fine but your milage may vary. If you want a literal sequel to filmation, you'll be waiting a long, long time for that in animated form, G1 Transformers never got that and the brand has been active for the best part of 40 years. Super7's Curse of the Three terrors is as probably as close as you're ever going to get on that front. Heck, the people behind Filmation tried twice to get literal sequels off the ground, and I'm sure there'd be a lot more complaints about a Dare, son of He-man focussed show the way Lou Scheimer intended. Here be spoilers variety.com/2021/tv/news/he-man-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-kevin-smith-netflix-1235026831/However... "Biaselli’s] like, ‘I yearn to watch the show I thought I was watching in childhood. That’s what I’m looking for here, the same show, but people can die. Can you do that?'” Smith said. “And I was like, ‘That’s the only thing I can do.’” "I know how to Marvel-ize this shit,” Smith said. “They re-served me my childhood with fresh recipes, and I get to eat the same meals that made me happy as a kid all over again. But it’s a trick. I’ve been studying Kevin Feige like crazy for 10 years. They give you something that you feel like looks like your childhood. But when you go back and compare it to your childhood, it’s way better. And that’s what we did here.” Transformers (Bayformers) and Marvel established characters and the lore again before killing them off. Why was Mark 1 of the MCU more or less origin stories? Smith expected people to be up to speed on a 40 year old franchise that has no recent iteration (MOTU 2002 is 20 years ago nearly) and then kill off the main event from the get go. I don't know who this He-Man is. Is he the same noble warrior of past? What does the relationship to Teela matter in this iteration? How exactly did Skeletor figure out the Power of Grayskull offscreen? Going by the character from 40 years ago, Teela would have seen the love and friendship was more important factor than the meltdown she had in episode 1. In that sense, Smith has done a disservice to the fanbase and hasn't Marvel-ized anything.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 10, 2021 2:25:38 GMT -5
I find it pretty hard to blame Teela for her reaction in the first episode. {Spoiler}It was supposed to be the happiest day of her life then it turned into the world being nearly destroyed and her best friend dying while she learned he and everyone around her had been keeping information from her for years. That'd absolutely mess someone up and I don't think any amount of, "Oh, but we're friends!" would've alleviated that in the moment. Especially given the broader point about how much it played into her own self-doubts.
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Post by thechase on Aug 10, 2021 2:53:32 GMT -5
Honestly I'm totally fine with Teela being main focus in the series..... but if you are going to that don't make her a complete unlikable bitch. She's not the most cheerful person in the world, but if a personality like hers makes you think a woman is an unlikeable bitch, then you probably don't get along well with women in general. I understand why Teela is like this in Revelation...but it still goes against everything her character was in the original. A great deal of these 'strong women' focused shows and movies have characters that evoke no real sense of joy or empathy and have constant hang ups around men and their misdeeds, well intentioned or otherwise. Evil-Lyn's point of view about Skeletor and 'men' is easier to swallow because we know Skeletor is an a-hole, but Adam died protecting Eternia and she's more hung up that he didn't confide in her and then he was taken before she had a chance to 'scream at him'? What is it about that makes a woman in any way pleasing or attractive? What makes that endearing to an impressionable viewer? That's why I just don't agree that Teela is all that strong in Revelation. She is constantly hung-up and fixated on Adam to a most vulnerable degree. She's got more in common with Lois Lane if she were in charge of trying to revive Supes in the Snyder Cut almost. The only way to rationalize any of that behaviour being as raw and as naked in aggression as it is, is Teela obviously doesn't just view Adam as a 'best friend' but as someone she wanted to be with for the rest of her life and have him share everything with her.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 10, 2021 3:05:02 GMT -5
Spiritual sequel, not the literal sequel people seem to believe they were getting, and the definition of what the spirit of something is can wildly vary from person to person, it and MYP fit with what I want in spiritual successors to the vintage series just fine but your milage may vary. If you want a literal sequel to filmation, you'll be waiting a long, long time for that in animated form, G1 Transformers never got that and the brand has been active for the best part of 40 years. Super7's Curse of the Three terrors is as probably as close as you're ever going to get on that front. Heck, the people behind Filmation tried twice to get literal sequels off the ground, and I'm sure there'd be a lot more complaints about a Dare, son of He-man focussed show the way Lou Scheimer intended. Here be spoilers variety.com/2021/tv/news/he-man-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-kevin-smith-netflix-1235026831/However... "Biaselli’s] like, ‘I yearn to watch the show I thought I was watching in childhood. That’s what I’m looking for here, the same show, but people can die. Can you do that?'” Smith said. “And I was like, ‘That’s the only thing I can do.’” "I know how to Marvel-ize this shit,” Smith said. “They re-served me my childhood with fresh recipes, and I get to eat the same meals that made me happy as a kid all over again. But it’s a trick. I’ve been studying Kevin Feige like crazy for 10 years. They give you something that you feel like looks like your childhood. But when you go back and compare it to your childhood, it’s way better. And that’s what we did here.” Transformers (Bayformers) and Marvel established characters and the lore again before killing them off. Why was Mark 1 of the MCU more or less origin stories? Smith expected people to be up to speed on a 40 year old franchise that has no recent iteration (MOTU 2002 is 20 years ago nearly) and then kill off the main event from the get go. I don't know who this He-Man is. Is he the same noble warrior of past? What does the relationship to Teela matter in this iteration? How exactly did Skeletor figure out the Power of Grayskull offscreen? Going by the character from 40 years ago, Teela would have seen the love and friendship was more important factor than the meltdown she had in episode 1. In that sense, Smith has done a disservice to the fanbase and hasn't Marvel-ized anything. 'The show he thought he was watching' is a pretty accurate description of what he made a sequel to, we all remember more excitement, action and deeper storylines from 80s cartoons than were actually present, and that misremembering of an 80s toy advert as being better than it was is every bit as present on the side of his critics. Seems like he Marvelised it farly well to me, given how many the venn diagram of the bloggers and youtube talking heads who are upset about Teela and She-ra, and Captain Marvel and whatever new female lead book or animation Marvel has in the works at any given moment is practically a circle. I'm not sure why anyone expected a He-man Origin story as the opening arc to the series, it wasn't promised and wasn't delivered and it's not something Marvel has done constantly across their animated output over the years. It's a handful of episodes of a longer series with a more modern writing style, things will be fleshed out and explored as things progress. This isn't like Filmation where things are done in one episode and characters are often reduced to background fodder going forward, if they're ever mentioned at all.
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Post by thechase on Aug 10, 2021 4:49:39 GMT -5
Here be spoilers variety.com/2021/tv/news/he-man-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-kevin-smith-netflix-1235026831/However... "Biaselli’s] like, ‘I yearn to watch the show I thought I was watching in childhood. That’s what I’m looking for here, the same show, but people can die. Can you do that?'” Smith said. “And I was like, ‘That’s the only thing I can do.’” "I know how to Marvel-ize this shit,” Smith said. “They re-served me my childhood with fresh recipes, and I get to eat the same meals that made me happy as a kid all over again. But it’s a trick. I’ve been studying Kevin Feige like crazy for 10 years. They give you something that you feel like looks like your childhood. But when you go back and compare it to your childhood, it’s way better. And that’s what we did here.” Transformers (Bayformers) and Marvel established characters and the lore again before killing them off. Why was Mark 1 of the MCU more or less origin stories? Smith expected people to be up to speed on a 40 year old franchise that has no recent iteration (MOTU 2002 is 20 years ago nearly) and then kill off the main event from the get go. I don't know who this He-Man is. Is he the same noble warrior of past? What does the relationship to Teela matter in this iteration? How exactly did Skeletor figure out the Power of Grayskull offscreen? Going by the character from 40 years ago, Teela would have seen the love and friendship was more important factor than the meltdown she had in episode 1. In that sense, Smith has done a disservice to the fanbase and hasn't Marvel-ized anything. 'The show he thought he was watching' is a pretty accurate description of what he made a sequel to, we all remember more excitement, action and deeper storylines from 80s cartoons than were actually present, and that misremembering of an 80s toy advert as being better than it was is every bit as present on the side of his critics. Are people still using that lame duck "80s cartoons were bad and you should feel bad" excuse in the media? It doesn't work on the fans, we've rewatched those 80s shows again and again, we haven't spent time away from them, they're always available to watch on streaming or on home media, and guess what? and we don't feel them lacking. We know they have faults, we don't care, they told us tight, wholesome stories with clearly defined morals. There's nothing in Revelation that feels and performs any LESS cheesy, in fact the lines and delivery are actually more wooden in Revelation than they are in Filmation. They have no heart, no soul, none of that. It's not 'deep', it's adolescent. And I LIKED Revelation, so if I'm saying that, that's something. It's Filmation in this case that feels more 'rounded, more universal, one with more heart. Anyone still going to the well of "oh the old stuff was just a commercial and lacked anything else" isn't worth listening to. At all. It's willfull ignorance.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 10, 2021 5:42:03 GMT -5
'The show he thought he was watching' is a pretty accurate description of what he made a sequel to, we all remember more excitement, action and deeper storylines from 80s cartoons than were actually present, and that misremembering of an 80s toy advert as being better than it was is every bit as present on the side of his critics. Are people still using that lame duck "80s cartoons were bad and you should feel bad" excuse in the media? It doesn't work on the fans, we've rewatched those 80s shows again and again, we haven't spent time away from them, they're always available to watch on streaming or on home media, and guess what? and we don't feel them lacking. We know they have faults, we don't care, they told us tight, wholesome stories with clearly defined morals. There's nothing in Revelation that feels and performs any LESS cheesy, in fact the lines and delivery are actually more wooden in Revelation than they are in Filmation. They have no heart, no soul, none of that. It's not 'deep', it's adolescent. And I LIKED Revelation, so if I'm saying that, that's something. It's Filmation in this case that feels more 'rounded, more universal, one with more heart. Anyone still going to the well of "oh the old stuff was just a commercial and lacked anything else" isn't worth listening to. At all. It's willfull ignorance. I have shelves full of the toys and DVDs of shows from my childhood, good and bad, one of my earliest memories is sitting in a pop up castle greyskull tent watching filmation and playing with a Skeletor with a chewed open hand. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to these shows so don't try to pretend my opinion of them is decided by the spooky media, who produced the thing to begin with, I might add. Nostalgia is not heart, no more than it is great storytelling, I can understand wanting it to be as much as anyone, but it just isn't the case. Look at Transformers, Donald Glut has been open about how little he cared, he was burned out by his treatment on MOTU, by the way. For the people involved, it wasn't art, it was a job, an extension of a toyline, that just is what it is. I wish the shows were the epics I remembered believing they were as a kid, but it isn't the case and I'm okay with that, I still love them, flaws and all, as well as all the memories I have of them, and you know what? Newer things existing doesn't detract from that at all. Not MYP, New Adventures, Revelation, nor the upcoming kid focussed animation, which will undoubtedly be closer to the advertising roots of filmation, He-man centric focus and all.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 10, 2021 7:57:15 GMT -5
I just stopped because I realized I wasn't gonna change anyone's mind here, and I have better things to do than risk a possible suspension or ban just to bash a show I don't even watch. Besides he does have a point. I was taking it a tad too personally, even if he probably shouldn't have tried to escalate things by saying that. (Just my opinion. Not trying to get into a debate or anything. Merely stating my perspective.) Wait you're outraged at a show you don't even watch?
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Post by Hurbster on Aug 10, 2021 9:52:53 GMT -5
Saw the first episode. Hmmmm, first impressions not the best.
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Aug 10, 2021 10:20:53 GMT -5
As a 42 year old man who’s youth was completely covered up by my love for all things he-man and MOTU… I really enjoyed these shows. Looking forward to part 2. Was a little jarred by how it started. And was mad we ran out of episodes with that cliff hanger. But this show has filled my desire for new MOtU since my childhood. I for one can’t wait for part 2.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 10, 2021 11:14:51 GMT -5
I just stopped because I realized I wasn't gonna change anyone's mind here, and I have better things to do than risk a possible suspension or ban just to bash a show I don't even watch. Besides he does have a point. I was taking it a tad too personally, even if he probably shouldn't have tried to escalate things by saying that. (Just my opinion. Not trying to get into a debate or anything. Merely stating my perspective.) Wait you're outraged at a show you don't even watch? I feel sympathy for people when they get screwed with by a showrunner who thinks hes being clever. Sue me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 11:39:13 GMT -5
I just stopped because I realized I wasn't gonna change anyone's mind here, and I have better things to do than risk a possible suspension or ban just to bash a show I don't even watch. Besides he does have a point. I was taking it a tad too personally, even if he probably shouldn't have tried to escalate things by saying that. (Just my opinion. Not trying to get into a debate or anything. Merely stating my perspective.) BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now THAT'S satire!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 11:47:18 GMT -5
I just stopped because I realized I wasn't gonna change anyone's mind here, and I have better things to do than risk a possible suspension or ban just to bash a show I don't even watch. Besides he does have a point. I was taking it a tad too personally, even if he probably shouldn't have tried to escalate things by saying that. (Just my opinion. Not trying to get into a debate or anything. Merely stating my perspective.) It's all good bro. We both went overboard. It's over, and you're ok in my book if that matters to you.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 10, 2021 13:21:02 GMT -5
Wait you're outraged at a show you don't even watch? I feel sympathy for people when they get screwed with by a showrunner who thinks hes being clever. Sue me. That makes no sense though. Why be outraged when you didn't even see it. Smells like people who brigade against things due to garbage youtubers who spout hatred towards the "woke" community
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 10, 2021 13:29:44 GMT -5
I just stopped because I realized I wasn't gonna change anyone's mind here, and I have better things to do than risk a possible suspension or ban just to bash a show I don't even watch. Besides he does have a point. I was taking it a tad too personally, even if he probably shouldn't have tried to escalate things by saying that. (Just my opinion. Not trying to get into a debate or anything. Merely stating my perspective.) BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now THAT'S satire! He didn't even watch the show. Like if you watched qnd said you hated it I get it. But literally starting an arguement for a show they didn't watch
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 10, 2021 15:57:20 GMT -5
*sigh* I try to bow out respectfylly and concede defeat and all I get is mockery in return.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Aug 10, 2021 19:42:11 GMT -5
80’s kids complaining about Masters of the Universe Revelations like I really liked it, btw.
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Post by lucas_lee on Aug 10, 2021 22:39:55 GMT -5
*sigh* I try to bow out respectfylly and concede defeat and all I get is mockery in return. You come into a topic and spout viewpoints like those questionable youtubers without watching the show. What did you think you'd get? You're more than free to express your views but keep in mind you didn't watch the show and we'll take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by thechase on Aug 11, 2021 10:46:58 GMT -5
Ok, so in the Revelation comic book today, {Spoiler}You get a little more detail on how Skeletor had first hand knowledge of the Hall of Wisdom (Grayskull's true guise) and we get appearances not just from Hordak, but all of the Hoard toyline, it also does indeed go with the the mini-comics origin for Skeletor, where he belongs to a whole race of skeleton people, and has a wife and child. His wife is brutally killed at one point. However, at the end of the issue It's implied this recollection of his own personal history may not be entirely accurate, as Evil Lyn suspects
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 11, 2021 10:55:33 GMT -5
Ok, so in the Revelation comic book today, {Spoiler}{Spoiler}You get a little more detail on how Skeletor had first hand knowledge of the Hall of Wisdom (Grayskull's true guise) and we get appearances not just from Hordak, but all of the Hoard toyline, it also does indeed go with the the mini-comics origin for Skeletor, where he belongs to a whole race of skeleton people, and has a wife and child. His wife is brutally killed at one point. However, at the end of the issue It's implied this recollection of his own personal history may not be entirely accurate, as Evil Lyn suspects {Spoiler}Somebody's been reading too much "The Killing Joke".
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