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Post by mo on Jan 15, 2020 16:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 15, 2020 16:02:36 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but BIG was one of those artists who became bigger in death. I went to high school between 1994-98 and I never heard anyone talk about how much of a fan of Biggie they were when he was alive. All the rap fans there preferred Dre, Snoop, Tupac, all that Death Row stuff. Maybe Big would have become just as much of an icon if he had lived, but I'm just going by what I saw (maybe it was different in other areas).
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 16, 2020 7:51:58 GMT -5
Where's the annual protests for no Weird Al?
(did he show a young....whoever runs the RNRHOF's daughter....his accordion and how it contracts AND expands?)
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Post by tankisfreemason on Jan 16, 2020 10:17:25 GMT -5
The Hall of Fame sucks, completely meaningless in my opinion. Their credibility was tarnished a long time ago with their blatant bias discredit of Heavy Metal. The only other music accolade I look at worse than the Hall of Fame is the Grammys.
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Post by brown bricks on Jan 16, 2020 22:41:15 GMT -5
The Hall of Fame sucks, completely meaningless in my opinion. Their credibility was tarnished a long time ago with their blatant bias discredit of Heavy Metal. The only other music accolade I look at worse than the Hall of Fame is the Grammys. Yeah, they definitely shit on heavy metal. As much as some may scoff at it, country gets as much shit from them. Artists like George Jones, Dolly Parton, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, Buck Owens, Waylon Jennings, and Patsy Cline should definitely be in. No one can exactly use the "BUT IT'S THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME!" excuse now when rap artists and pop acts like Whitney Houston are going in. A lot of those previously mentioned country artists inspired a ton of people outside of the country genre.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 17, 2020 0:35:17 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but BIG was one of those artists who became bigger in death. I went to high school between 1994-98 and I never heard anyone talk about how much of a fan of Biggie they were when he was alive. All the rap fans there preferred Dre, Snoop, Tupac, all that Death Row stuff. Maybe Big would have become just as much of an icon if he had lived, but I'm just going by what I saw (maybe it was different in other areas). Hate to say it, but your high school was one of those barometers who shouldn't be used for judging an artist's popularity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 0:37:55 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but BIG was one of those artists who became bigger in death. I went to high school between 1994-98 and I never heard anyone talk about how much of a fan of Biggie they were when he was alive. All the rap fans there preferred Dre, Snoop, Tupac, all that Death Row stuff. Maybe Big would have become just as much of an icon if he had lived, but I'm just going by what I saw (maybe it was different in other areas). Hate to say it, but your high school was one of those barometers who shouldn't be used for judging an artist's popularity. Very snarky comment. Please tone it down.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jan 17, 2020 8:23:21 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but BIG was one of those artists who became bigger in death. I went to high school between 1994-98 and I never heard anyone talk about how much of a fan of Biggie they were when he was alive. All the rap fans there preferred Dre, Snoop, Tupac, all that Death Row stuff. Maybe Big would have become just as much of an icon if he had lived, but I'm just going by what I saw (maybe it was different in other areas). I lived my childhood in the midwest, he was absolutely a huge act even back then with my fellow classmates. I'd go as far as to say that "East vs West" was just as heated of a discussion as 'Genesis vs Nintendo.'
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Post by Long A, Short A on Jan 17, 2020 11:14:37 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but BIG was one of those artists who became bigger in death. I went to high school between 1994-98 and I never heard anyone talk about how much of a fan of Biggie they were when he was alive. All the rap fans there preferred Dre, Snoop, Tupac, all that Death Row stuff. Maybe Big would have become just as much of an icon if he had lived, but I'm just going by what I saw (maybe it was different in other areas). Hate to say it, but your high school was one of those barometers who shouldn't be used for judging an artist's popularity. Yeah...I went to high school from 94-98 and kids in went to school with treated Master P. like GAWD~! We both know he's not going into anyone's hall of fame anytime soon.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 17, 2020 11:50:51 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but BIG was one of those artists who became bigger in death. I went to high school between 1994-98 and I never heard anyone talk about how much of a fan of Biggie they were when he was alive. All the rap fans there preferred Dre, Snoop, Tupac, all that Death Row stuff. Maybe Big would have become just as much of an icon if he had lived, but I'm just going by what I saw (maybe it was different in other areas). This was completely not my crowd but I do remember a guy in my Creative Writing class who was a huge rap fan writing poems and stories and all that about Tupac after he died and then once BIG died he was like "Tupac was a huge loss, Biggie was just a guy." I think we're all sort of falling victim to applying legit MLB HOF type criteria to a WWE style HOF. To me Notorious BIG had too short of a career (obviously) to be any sort of Hall of Famer. But then again Nirvana didn't exactly have a ton of albums either and if you ask me "HOF or not?" I'd instantly say yes. But then Nirvana started an entire movement that brought alternative rock to the mainstream, whereas BIG really wasn't that. Then again I don't get why Green Day was an instant first ballot HOF band whereas The Offspring don't even seem to be nominated at all when both bands made punk a hugely popular genre circa 1994. I'd argue Offspring had a better run of albums from 1992-2000 than Green Day did, though they didn't have anything as big as American Idiot later on. As far as the country artists go, there's already a Country Music Hall of Fame for purely country artists that never crossed over to the rock or pop charts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 12:55:15 GMT -5
Thin Lizzy being eligible for 24 years and still not being in yet has blown my mind Frampton hasn't been inducted and he's been eligible for 22. Just let that sit.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 17, 2020 13:21:41 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but BIG was one of those artists who became bigger in death. I went to high school between 1994-98 and I never heard anyone talk about how much of a fan of Biggie they were when he was alive. All the rap fans there preferred Dre, Snoop, Tupac, all that Death Row stuff. Maybe Big would have become just as much of an icon if he had lived, but I'm just going by what I saw (maybe it was different in other areas). This was completely not my crowd but I do remember a guy in my Creative Writing class who was a huge rap fan writing poems and stories and all that about Tupac after he died and then once BIG died he was like "Tupac was a huge loss, Biggie was just a guy." I think we're all sort of falling victim to applying legit MLB HOF type criteria to a WWE style HOF. To me Notorious BIG had too short of a career (obviously) to be any sort of Hall of Famer. But then again Nirvana didn't exactly have a ton of albums either and if you ask me "HOF or not?" I'd instantly say yes. But then Nirvana started an entire movement that brought alternative rock to the mainstream, whereas BIG really wasn't that. Then again I don't get why Green Day was an instant first ballot HOF band whereas The Offspring don't even seem to be nominated at all when both bands made punk a hugely popular genre circa 1994. I'd argue Offspring had a better run of albums from 1992-2000 than Green Day did, though they didn't have anything as big as American Idiot later on. As far as the country artists go, there's already a Country Music Hall of Fame for purely country artists that never crossed over to the rock or pop charts. These are inaccurate. The impact of Ready to Die on hip-hop was absolutely massive. Hip-hop really not being an album-genre at the time had the curated Biggie narrative (which you can attribute to both Biggie's talent and Puffy's vision) that really changed the way rappers made albums in its wake. The natural progression into so many different styles and vibes was largely unprecedented, especially coming down the major album pipeline. It wasn't just "OK, here's three singles, their three b-sides, a song for the ladies, a hip-house song, a socially conscious song and we're good to go" or 12 sound-alikes built around the lead single. It's a masterpiece that was a massive contribution to the genre whose fingerprints can be see in every landmark rap release since. It's such a massively important release that even if BIG's legacy was just Ready to Die, he'd be a Hall of Famer - but there's so much more. Biggie knew not just how to make his own style compliment the styles of other rappers on the track, but essentially flip their styles better than them. Look at Biggie on a record like "Notorious Thugs," then listen to him on "Mo Money Mo Problems" then "Warning" and realize that's the same guy. That sort of range, especially in the mid-90s, is absurd. He was a virtuoso. That's not even factoring in Life After Death, by far the highest selling Posthumous album of all time. Or how Bad Boy was built as a label on Biggie's ear for talent and collaborations with their artists. Or how he changed the trajectory of New York hip-hop as a whole.
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Post by King Boo on Jan 17, 2020 15:14:52 GMT -5
Thin Lizzy being eligible for 24 years and still not being in yet has blown my mind Frampton hasn't been inducted and he's been eligible for 22. Just let that sit. Has he even been nominated? I want to say no, but I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't been.
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Post by brown bricks on Jan 17, 2020 15:17:38 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but BIG was one of those artists who became bigger in death. I went to high school between 1994-98 and I never heard anyone talk about how much of a fan of Biggie they were when he was alive. All the rap fans there preferred Dre, Snoop, Tupac, all that Death Row stuff. Maybe Big would have become just as much of an icon if he had lived, but I'm just going by what I saw (maybe it was different in other areas). This was completely not my crowd but I do remember a guy in my Creative Writing class who was a huge rap fan writing poems and stories and all that about Tupac after he died and then once BIG died he was like "Tupac was a huge loss, Biggie was just a guy." I think we're all sort of falling victim to applying legit MLB HOF type criteria to a WWE style HOF. To me Notorious BIG had too short of a career (obviously) to be any sort of Hall of Famer. But then again Nirvana didn't exactly have a ton of albums either and if you ask me "HOF or not?" I'd instantly say yes. But then Nirvana started an entire movement that brought alternative rock to the mainstream, whereas BIG really wasn't that. Then again I don't get why Green Day was an instant first ballot HOF band whereas The Offspring don't even seem to be nominated at all when both bands made punk a hugely popular genre circa 1994. I'd argue Offspring had a better run of albums from 1992-2000 than Green Day did, though they didn't have anything as big as American Idiot later on. As far as the country artists go, there's already a Country Music Hall of Fame for purely country artists that never crossed over to the rock or pop charts. There's also a Hip-Hop Hall of Fame.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 17, 2020 15:47:11 GMT -5
Next year might be the last time for a while where more modern rock gets in on first ballot. Foo Fighters and Alanis Morissette both eligible
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