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Post by Duke Cameron on Jun 10, 2023 4:20:14 GMT -5
It's fun, but I can't see how it's better than the first movie... I felt the movie was lacking a scene that was moving or powerful as the "What's Up, Danger?" sequence from ITSV. Peter B. finally having a family and being happy is enough for me to put it above the first one.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jun 10, 2023 4:23:00 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Seeing way too many people not realize quickly that Miguel's entire reasoning of "the canon", outside of protecting the multiverse, is a house of cards ready to fall down at any moment. Like, bro, the fact a bunch of universes didn't collapse because of various things basically disproves it.
And yeah, I get that sort of makes the Spiders themselves look a bit silly but at the same time, they might be there to learn something about the multiverse just like Miles wants to be. It's flimsy, yeah, but it's not that hard to believe.
"Oh, but what about the black hole in Pavitr Prabhakar's reality?" some said to this. Bro...it's clearly the daggone Spot's doing, come on now. Man, I agreed with Miguel the whole way. Don’t screw with fate.
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Post by eJm on Jun 10, 2023 4:46:38 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Seeing way too many people not realize quickly that Miguel's entire reasoning of "the canon", outside of protecting the multiverse, is a house of cards ready to fall down at any moment. Like, bro, the fact a bunch of universes didn't collapse because of various things basically disproves it.
And yeah, I get that sort of makes the Spiders themselves look a bit silly but at the same time, they might be there to learn something about the multiverse just like Miles wants to be. It's flimsy, yeah, but it's not that hard to believe.
"Oh, but what about the black hole in Pavitr Prabhakar's reality?" some said to this. Bro...it's clearly the daggone Spot's doing, come on now. Man, I agreed with Miguel the whole way. Don’t screw with fate.[/quote {Spoiler}But…we don’t know why dead Miguel’s universe was destroyed in the first place. There’s so much vagueness in it where there’s more to it. If what he was saying was true, wouldn’t it have ended right there and then like apparently Pavitr’s universe was (besides the fact that, again, Spot’s doing)? And all we’re basing it off of is stuff that’s been determined by, as Miles said, an algorithm. One that has had many flaws itself.
Miguel is either really unaware about what happened or he’s keeping something from everyone else and if he reveals it, the whole project just dies which’ll happen in the next part because right now, it just seems really convenient.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 10, 2023 8:20:35 GMT -5
Man, I agreed with Miguel the whole way. Don’t screw with fate. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}But…we don’t know why dead Miguel’s universe was destroyed in the first place. There’s so much vagueness in it where there’s more to it. If what he was saying was true, wouldn’t it have ended right there and then like apparently Pavitr’s universe was (besides the fact that, again, Spot’s doing)? And all we’re basing it off of is stuff that’s been determined by, as Miles said, an algorithm. One that has had many flaws itself.
Miguel is either really unaware about what happened or he’s keeping something from everyone else and if he reveals it, the whole project just dies which’ll happen in the next part because right now, it just seems really convenient. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}It's because Miguel hopped into dead Miguel's universe and took his place.
Miguel's the anomaly, not Miles. Miles was always meant to be bitten and become Spider-Man. The only proof you need is that Aunt May right away knew he was worthy of being Spider-Man.
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Post by eJm on Jun 10, 2023 9:24:25 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}But…we don’t know why dead Miguel’s universe was destroyed in the first place. There’s so much vagueness in it where there’s more to it. If what he was saying was true, wouldn’t it have ended right there and then like apparently Pavitr’s universe was (besides the fact that, again, Spot’s doing)? And all we’re basing it off of is stuff that’s been determined by, as Miles said, an algorithm. One that has had many flaws itself.
Miguel is either really unaware about what happened or he’s keeping something from everyone else and if he reveals it, the whole project just dies which’ll happen in the next part because right now, it just seems really convenient. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}It's because Miguel hopped into dead Miguel's universe and took his place.
Miguel's the anomaly, not Miles. Miles was always meant to be bitten and become Spider-Man. The only proof you need is that Aunt May right away knew he was worthy of being Spider-Man. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Again, that all feels really convenient and the plot pretty much says as much because, logically, he should have just died from not being able to protect himself from the fluxes to his body (as far as we know, we could find out more in Beyond that he developed the tech etc).
EDIT: Also to add to this, wouldn’t Miguel’s universe ended because there wasn’t a Spider-Man for a prolonged amount of time in the same way the Spider of 42 changed the universe it came from by not being there? My point with this isn’t to point out plot holes but the plot holes are the point. A detail is being left out, intentional or otherwise.
The wider point of the movie isn’t even if anyone is an anomaly or not but if someone is worthy of being Spider-Man or not because they didn’t go through the same torturous path others did. Which he doesn’t, or at least we’ll have that cemented in Beyond.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 10, 2023 9:37:12 GMT -5
We already had that with Infinity War’s big ‘ol cliffhanger. I don't think that's an exact comparison as when Phase 3 was announced Endgame was originally called Infinity War Part 2 so I think the majority of people knew that there would be some kind of loose threads hanging. Plus the overall serial nature of the MCU lender itself to the idea that not everything would be wrapped up in 3 acts. I think a better comparison would be the new Dune. I'd happened to read the week before its release that it was a Part One, but based off the level of angry murmuring once credits hit there, I don't think most people were aware. This was originally called "Across the Spider-Verse Part 1" when they went public with the decision to make it two separate movies. I think that the issue some people have is that {Spoiler}ATSV and BTSV are structured as one long movie and not two separate movies telling one story. Using the 5 act structure, we just got to the end of Act 3 which throws everyone off because that's not how most Hollywood movies work but it is more common in the comic world
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 10, 2023 9:45:53 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Something I'm kind of wondering is how specific "captain" is and whether the universe will actively seek out another one if one resigns like with Gwen's dad. Like the next time Gwen gets on a plane is the guy flying it going to have a heart attack?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 10, 2023 11:24:49 GMT -5
Looking like about a 53% drop for the weekend, which would be a pretty damn good hold in its own right, but today might wind up doing better than expected depending on if Transformers overperforming on Friday holds for the weekend. Either way the movie will pass the domestic total of the first one today which is pretty insane to do in nine days.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Jun 10, 2023 19:49:14 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I reckon 42!Aaron and Miles aren't actually bad guys. They've stepped up in a world that is lacking Spider-Folk, and are fighting their world's villains in a down-and-dirty anti-heroic way.
Also, I loved Renaissance Vulture. Can we keep him please?
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 10, 2023 22:39:37 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I reckon 42!Aaron and Miles aren't actually bad guys. They've stepped up in a world that is lacking Spider-Folk, and are fighting their world's villains in a down-and-dirty anti-heroic way.
Also, I loved Renaissance Vulture. Can we keep him please? {Spoiler}in the first Earth 42 scene, you hear mentions of Sinister Six cartels running amok, so it can be assumed without a Spider-Man, those cartels took over, forcing Prowler Miles to fight back.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jun 12, 2023 10:16:36 GMT -5
A short for the movie is coming soon
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 12, 2023 10:37:28 GMT -5
Do wonder if we might see a shift toward more animated superhero movies in the wake of this one's success. It's already quadrupled its budget and is still holding well at this point, the market clearly exists.
Make Power Pack you cowards.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 12, 2023 10:42:27 GMT -5
Do wonder if we might see a shift toward more animated superhero movies in the wake of this one's success. It's already quadrupled its budget and is still holding well at this point, the market clearly exists. Make Power Pack you cowards.I’m surprised the MCU hasn’t done anything in the way of animated features (What If, X-Men ‘97, and that other Spidey cartoon notwithstanding).
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jun 12, 2023 11:33:04 GMT -5
Do wonder if we might see a shift toward more animated superhero movies in the wake of this one's success. It's already quadrupled its budget and is still holding well at this point, the market clearly exists. Make Power Pack you cowards.I’m surprised the MCU hasn’t done anything in the way of animated features (What If, X-Men ‘97, and that other Spidey cartoon notwithstanding). I’ve long held the opinion that Fantastic Four should be an animated franchise. If they can push artistic boundaries this far for Spidey, think how nuts they could get with the FF.
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Post by eJm on Jun 12, 2023 11:34:53 GMT -5
I’m surprised the MCU hasn’t done anything in the way of animated features (What If, X-Men ‘97, and that other Spidey cartoon notwithstanding). I’ve long held the opinion that Fantastic Four should be an animated franchise. If they can push artistic boundaries this far for Spidey, think how nuts they could get with the FF. In an ideal world, you'd try and replicate Alex Ross' covers he was doing and Full Circle because, for a guy whose done some great work, you could make a good argument that those were his finest.
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Post by thechase on Jun 16, 2023 12:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Jun 17, 2023 14:20:53 GMT -5
Idk if I’m just missing something in my brain but I did not like this movie at all. The animation was genuinely impressive but was just bored the majority of the time. Kinda felt like nothing really happened in it. I did like what it set up for next movie but getting there was kind of a bore. I also hate the whole “canon event” thing.
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Post by Renslayer on Jun 17, 2023 17:24:25 GMT -5
I give this movie 5 🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷
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Post by r. on Jun 17, 2023 23:26:26 GMT -5
{Spoiler} Whether you agree with Miles or Miguel. it seems he could have made this way easier on himself. Check it, You let Miles into the group all buddy-buddy never mention Canon events and simply send him on a routine mission the day his dad is supposed to die.
All he did was give him the motivation to undo all his work. I'm still rewatching to try and catch every spiderman reference
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 17, 2023 23:39:52 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Whether you agree with Miles or Miguel. it seems he could have made this way easier on himself. Check it, You let Miles into the group all buddy-buddy never mention Canon events and simply send him on a routine mission the day his dad is supposed to die.
All he did was give him the motivation to undo all his work. I'm still rewatching to try and catch every spiderman reference {Spoiler}You do have to keep in mind that Miles had already upended a canon event before that point as it was. Trying to just send him out on some random mission or letting him go would be a risk in its own right per Miguel's vision of things because he could always do it again, would essentially be gambling on having him cause the same damage you'd be trying to avoid in putting him in that position to begin with.
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