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Post by Perd on Nov 10, 2019 2:45:20 GMT -5
Mox amd Kenny have the reseliency of the Wet Bandits.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 10, 2019 5:20:22 GMT -5
That was, without question, 45 minutes of Jon Moxley trying to kill every shred of "Dean Ambrose" there was left. Mission accomplished.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 10, 2019 5:49:47 GMT -5
Absolutely stellar and f***ing insane match. Part of what made it special, and I touched a little on it in the live thread, was that here were two guys who went all out on one another and didn't have to. Omega's had all-time great matches without half the shit that went down, Moxley could keep up and easily deliver, but they went full deathmatch and hit everything they could and then also glass and then also the bare ring boards. Obviously there's always the perception deathmatch guys are making up for something with what they do and need it to make their matches interesting, and true/fair or not, both these guys have proven themselves to not be in that position. And yet they went all out there and killed it with an energy and athleticism that elevated f***ing every second of what they did. Just masterful.
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Post by Cieto on Nov 10, 2019 5:59:53 GMT -5
Looking back on the match, it pretty much showed us where these two sit within (on top?) the AEW roster.
Months of saying "Why should I care about AEW-kenny" & "Mox has lost a bit of steam" has now be realised.
They even got it done without putting the credibility of anyone else in question.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 10, 2019 6:02:33 GMT -5
Absolutely stellar and f***ing insane match. Part of what made it special, and I touched a little on it in the live thread, was that here were two guys who went all out on one another and didn't have to. Omega's had all-time great matches without half the shit that went down, Moxley could keep up and easily deliver, but they went full deathmatch and hit everything they could and then also glass and then also the bare ring boards. Obviously there's always the perception deathmatch guys are making up for something with what they do and need it to make their matches interesting, and true/fair or not, both these guys have proven themselves to not be in that position. And yet they went all out there and killed it with an energy and athleticism that elevated f***ing every second of what they did. Just masterful. Like, as you and others pointed out in the thread, wilder deathmatches have happened in the US. GCW have done some, CZW still do Tournament of Death, there are a few others dotted around. But to do this sort of match as a blood feud on a big US PPV and have it go where it did...man...I probably winced more just because these were two guys I knew and enjoyed and they were going all out to put over the fact that, at this point in time, they f***ing hated each other. Which in the age of grudge matches starting with lockups sometimes, that’s wild. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 10, 2019 6:03:03 GMT -5
Absolutely stellar and f***ing insane match. Part of what made it special, and I touched a little on it in the live thread, was that here were two guys who went all out on one another and didn't have to. Omega's had all-time great matches without half the shit that went down, Moxley could keep up and easily deliver, but they went full deathmatch and hit everything they could and then also glass and then also the bare ring boards. Obviously there's always the perception deathmatch guys are making up for something with what they do and need it to make their matches interesting, and true/fair or not, both these guys have proven themselves to not be in that position. And yet they went all out there and killed it with an energy and athleticism that elevated f***ing every second of what they did. Just masterful. To me, it came across like Kenny and Jon being stoked to work with someone as willing to try shit out as the other was, especially post-Janela matches. I also get the feeling they said, "We really have to live up to the hype after the delay. What's some wild shit you've never gotten to do?" |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 10, 2019 6:08:02 GMT -5
Absolutely stellar and f***ing insane match. Part of what made it special, and I touched a little on it in the live thread, was that here were two guys who went all out on one another and didn't have to. Omega's had all-time great matches without half the shit that went down, Moxley could keep up and easily deliver, but they went full deathmatch and hit everything they could and then also glass and then also the bare ring boards. Obviously there's always the perception deathmatch guys are making up for something with what they do and need it to make their matches interesting, and true/fair or not, both these guys have proven themselves to not be in that position. And yet they went all out there and killed it with an energy and athleticism that elevated f***ing every second of what they did. Just masterful. To me, it came across like Kenny and Jon being stoked to work with someone as willing to try shit out as the other was, especially post-Janela matches. I also get the feeling they said, "We really have to live up to the hype after the delay. What's some wild shit you've never gotten to do?" “Do you know the people behind the Tangled Web match?” “Do I know-*laughs*-the people behind *laughs louder for a good few minutes* I got them on SPEED DIAL!” |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 10, 2019 6:24:30 GMT -5
Absolutely stellar and f***ing insane match. Part of what made it special, and I touched a little on it in the live thread, was that here were two guys who went all out on one another and didn't have to. Omega's had all-time great matches without half the shit that went down, Moxley could keep up and easily deliver, but they went full deathmatch and hit everything they could and then also glass and then also the bare ring boards. Obviously there's always the perception deathmatch guys are making up for something with what they do and need it to make their matches interesting, and true/fair or not, both these guys have proven themselves to not be in that position. And yet they went all out there and killed it with an energy and athleticism that elevated f***ing every second of what they did. Just masterful. To me, it came across like Kenny and Jon being stoked to work with someone as willing to try shit out as the other was, especially post-Janela matches. I also get the feeling they said, "We really have to live up to the hype after the delay. What's some wild shit you've never gotten to do?" Oh that's totally what it is. Moxley and Omega are both made f***ing men in AEW, they don't need to prove anything, don't need to establish themselves, they are a lot way from possibly falling out of favour with the fans over their work. This match and all of its utter brutality was all about creative fulfilment for two guys who wanted to do the most brutal shit to each other and tear the house down. I think they have a lot in common as far as work ethic and philosophy, and they both saw in the other someone not only able but willing to push what they could get away with. Not the envelope as far as the genre of death matches, but that sort of stuff happens on that stage at that level. Mox needed a top flight dance partner who could put on a fast paced athletic match with all that brutality, Kenny needed someone at a top level willing to go that far with him. They were a perfect match and it showed. And now that they've showed it they can absolutely never do it again. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 10, 2019 6:39:41 GMT -5
Mox amd Kenny have the reseliency of the Wet Bandits. I didn't realize it, but the match needed a spot where Kenny tried to hit a tarantula off of Moxley with a crowbar. |
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Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Nov 10, 2019 7:21:27 GMT -5
It was fun, but we can stop with this for a while now.
Please?
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Nov 10, 2019 7:22:46 GMT -5
If Moxley and Jimmy Havoc ever wrestle in an unsanctioned match, it will actually end in flat out murder.
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Post by Hypnosis on Nov 10, 2019 12:46:49 GMT -5
They beat the hell out of each other in so many brutal ways.
Next, they should do the Chain Wrestling Match.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 10, 2019 12:47:59 GMT -5
They beat the hell out of each other in so many brutal ways. Next, they should do the Chain Wrestling Match. This is probably the wildest thing about all this; The follow up is going to be a normal singles match and it makes all the sense in the world. |
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Post by zero744 on Nov 10, 2019 15:15:16 GMT -5
No, he normally finishes people off in AEW with the regular cradle DDT (Paradigm Shift), the elevated one is his New Japan finisher (the Death Rider) He's done both to finish, and I mean, he did the lifting one to Omega already through the glass table. There's plenty of precedent that it's in his arsenal. During the match I assumed the glass was from said table. Why wouldn’t the Cleaner collect the glass afterwards? |
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Post by clifford on Nov 10, 2019 17:59:45 GMT -5
Great match, but I really hope that's the last unsanctioned/lights out match for a loooong time. Feeling burnt out from them now.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Nov 10, 2019 18:15:24 GMT -5
I'm not crapping on this match or anything, and I cringed through out it as all the terrible stuff they were doing to one another was happening, but it seemed to me the glass and barbed wire spider web was gimmicked. I think there was more blood in the Cody match.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 10, 2019 18:49:59 GMT -5
I'm not crapping on this match or anything, and I cringed through out it as all the terrible stuff they were doing to one another was happening, but it seemed to me the glass and barbed wire spider web was gimmicked. I think there was more blood in the Cody match. Exactly. Something I think is being greatly overlooked is that Cody got hurt far worse in a regular wrestling match. Everything in Moxley vs. Omega was controlled. No one was seriously hurt and all the cuts were super shallow. Cody straight broke his face. Point is, all wrestling is dangerous and just because Moxley/Omega looked horrendously dangerous doesn't necessarily mean that it was so. I'd rather take a chair shot from Kenny Omega than a scoop slam from a lot of other people. |
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Nov 10, 2019 20:14:05 GMT -5
I mean they booked at as being a lightcore deathmatch and that's what we got. I don't think the match was a 5 star classic but it was not at all what I would call bad. I got what I expected and then some, so can say I was disappointed in the match.
It had chain wrestling.
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Post by repomark on Nov 10, 2019 20:15:05 GMT -5
I'm not crapping on this match or anything, and I cringed through out it as all the terrible stuff they were doing to one another was happening, but it seemed to me the glass and barbed wire spider web was gimmicked. I think there was more blood in the Cody match. I would agree that they were gimmicked and I am glad they were! Had they not been I would have switched it off. Wrestling should always be controlled violence. When it spills over into just actually harming one another it is no longer entertaining to me. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 10, 2019 20:40:56 GMT -5
If you can gimmick, you ought to. Reminds me of Mankind vs Big Show in their Boiler Room Brawl, where they used a bunch of gimmicked stuff to get around that Mick was hurt, and Big Show's crowd reactions were not great, so they wanted him in a match that wasn't in front of the crowd.
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