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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 20:58:33 GMT -5
Everyone is so worked up over the gimmicks in the match and is not really focused on the fact that Omega changed colors on the ground after that Phoenix Splash...
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 10, 2019 22:47:56 GMT -5
My wife does a lot of prop work and stuff with local theater, and I showed her the glass and she's almost positive it's something called "sugar glass" that they use on stage and in film. She said the way it granulated made her almost certain. So, take that for what you will.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 10, 2019 22:58:03 GMT -5
I'm usually not one for these sorts of matches, but I was really hooked on this one. It wasn't violence just for the sake of violence, but it told a fascinating story of the bizarre sort of mutual respect only earned through ultraviolence between Moxley and Omega.
And yeah, if we gotta see hardcore matches, at least I know that a big company like AEW or WWE is going to make it as safe as humanly possible. We're a long ways away from the sorts of matches CZW or old ECW would have.
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Post by markymark on Nov 10, 2019 23:02:17 GMT -5
Everyone is so worked up over the gimmicks in the match and is not really focused on the fact that Omega changed colors on the ground after that Phoenix Splash... His face landed on the wood, really brutal how his eyebrow got busted open. Kenny is another guy in the IR list. |
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Post by Glitch on Nov 10, 2019 23:03:03 GMT -5
I'm glad that they went for fake barbed wire and fake glass and still make it look painful. If its a scripted fight then theres nothing wrong with avoiding carving each other up like roasted turkeys.
I like how Kenny had to really convince the bucks and Paige to bring out the web of barbed wire. They were hesitant to let Kenny indulge in his madness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 23:15:29 GMT -5
There are only 2 types of glass that IMO you can use safely in wrestling
Sugar Glass is the ultra safe stuff it crumbles into nothing if you just breath on it hard enough because of course it aint actual glass.
The other is tempered glass basically what is used in sliding glass doors it is real glass but not the type that shatters into giant jagged shards.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 10, 2019 23:24:08 GMT -5
My wife does a lot of prop work and stuff with local theater, and I showed her the glass and she's almost positive it's something called "sugar glass" that they use on stage and in film. She said the way it granulated made her almost certain. So, take that for what you will. The glass was clearly gimmicked, because I couldn't see any fresh blood coming off from where the glass was sticking to their flesh. Just as well, the barbed wire bat was clearly legit and they didn't need to risk needing transfusions with broken glass shards. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 23:33:37 GMT -5
The barbed wire was gimmicked atleast the bed that was made of barbed wire was and with the exception of maybe a few barbs that clearly nicked them so were the bat and broom.  because this is the end result of Dante Fox/AR Foxs back after he wrestled in tempered glass and got tossed into a bed of barbed wire as well in LU |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 10, 2019 23:37:55 GMT -5
The barbed wire was gimmicked atleast the bed that was made of barbed wire was and with the exception of maybe a few barbs that clearly nicked them so were the bat and broom. because this is the end result of Dante Fox/AR Foxs back after he wrestled in tempered glass and got tossed into a bed of barbed wire as well in LU I meant the barbed wire bat and broom were legit. The nest was clearly a prop like the glass was. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 10, 2019 23:46:07 GMT -5
What's AR Fox up to these days, anyway?
Is he, uhhh, making movies still, or no?
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Post by adamclark52 on Nov 10, 2019 23:51:53 GMT -5
I only saw one reaction video to what I assume are all the highlights and I didn't see anything I haven't seen before, or anything that made me feel ill. But maybe the guy didn't show all the big spots.
Watch Mark Briscoe verses Jay Briscoe in a parking lot from 2005. It's on YouTube.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 5:50:19 GMT -5
The main problem I see with the match is the same as with Bray Wyatt in recent matches. They took so much punishment and kept getting back up that it’s going to be jarring if they ever take a regular finisher and get pinned now without the opponent having to commit near murder.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 11, 2019 9:38:42 GMT -5
Hope people are done bitching about Gargano and Cole kicking out of everything at those Takeovers with how this match went. I can only recall 2 kick-outs at most. |
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 11, 2019 11:45:33 GMT -5
Hope people are done bitching about Gargano and Cole kicking out of everything at those Takeovers with how this match went. I can only recall 2 kick-outs at most. There were certainly more than two kick-outs, but none after finishing moves like Gargano/Cole were guilty of doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 15:13:04 GMT -5
So glass was gimmicked (Still looked so badass Moxley literally crawling through broken glass not to lose)
The barbed wire seems to be up for debate? Also out of curiosity how would they go about gimmicking the barb wire whilst still drawing blood? I guess dulling the majority of it but leave some of it sharpish to draw a little blood?
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Nov 11, 2019 18:47:02 GMT -5
So glass was gimmicked (Still looked so badass Moxley literally crawling through broken glass not to lose) The barbed wire seems to be up for debate? Also out of curiosity how would they go about gimmicking the barb wire whilst still drawing blood? I guess dulling the majority of it but leave some of it sharpish to draw a little blood? I think they snip most of the barbs. Some of the wire may have been rubber as well. |
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 11, 2019 18:53:05 GMT -5
My only minor complaint was that Kenny often seemed more of a psycho than the guy whose gimmick is that he's a psycho, but thinking about it I think I loved that.
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Post by Facetious on Nov 11, 2019 19:00:39 GMT -5
My only minor complaint was that Kenny often seemed more of a psycho than the guy whose gimmick is that he's a psycho, but thinking about it I think I loved that. That's the beauty of it. Mox drove him to insanity and arguably used that to beat him. |
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 11, 2019 20:44:02 GMT -5
The main problem I see with the match is the same as with Bray Wyatt in recent matches. They took so much punishment and kept getting back up that it’s going to be jarring if they ever take a regular finisher and get pinned now without the opponent having to commit near murder. There's a way to sell this- the majority of these spots/moves are about pain tolerance/threshold, they're jarring, sharp pains that hurt a lot in the moment but don't do the same muscular/skeletal damage as other moves, don't wind you the same etc., so if you've got a good pain tolerance to grit your teeth and take the burn, it eases off quicker than getting repeatedly slammed and lariated or whatever. It's bullshit, sure, but it's bullshit with enough semi-believable phony logic to pass kayfabe. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 11, 2019 23:04:22 GMT -5
The main problem I see with the match is the same as with Bray Wyatt in recent matches. They took so much punishment and kept getting back up that it’s going to be jarring if they ever take a regular finisher and get pinned now without the opponent having to commit near murder. There's a way to sell this- the majority of these spots/moves are about pain tolerance/threshold, they're jarring, sharp pains that hurt a lot in the moment but don't do the same muscular/skeletal damage as other moves, don't wind you the same etc., so if you've got a good pain tolerance to grit your teeth and take the burn, it eases off quicker than getting repeatedly slammed and lariated or whatever. It's bullshit, sure, but it's bullshit with enough semi-believable phony logic to pass kayfabe. Plus I don't recall many pin attempts in the first place, so it's not like they kicked out of a bunch of crazy stuff. |
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