Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Nov 24, 2019 19:36:44 GMT -5
 All you motherf***ers are gonna pay! You are the ones who are the ball-lickers racists! We're gonna f*** your mothers while you watch and cry like little, whiny bitches. Once we get to Hollywood Jacksonville, Florida and find those Miramax cosplay wrestler f***s who is making the movie legitimate complaint, we're gonna make them eat our shit, then shit out our shit, and then eat their shit that's made up of our shit that we made them eat. Then all you motherf***s are next. Love, Jay and Silent Bob Jim Cornette and Not-Conrad. Lmao this killed me LMAO comedy gold.  |
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FinalGwen
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by FinalGwen on Nov 24, 2019 19:49:57 GMT -5
Well, if we're talking about people who can get away with any form of bigotry because they have an audience willing to treat them as edgy comedians, South Park is a good comparison point.
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Celgress
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 24, 2019 20:14:21 GMT -5
Brian Zane response to his situation with Jim Cornette -
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 24, 2019 20:51:02 GMT -5
"Well it's not a fried chicken joke, it's a starvation joke."   |
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Post by evilone on Nov 24, 2019 20:59:23 GMT -5
Race is also a social construct. Like in Europe, Jews were seen as much a race as they were a religious group. Thus antisemitism in Europe tended to be as much racism as it was religious persecution, and it was entirely racist in Nazi Germany. Term you are searching for is ethnic cleansing. That's what has happened to Slavs, Jews, Gypsy/Roma population under Nazi regime but actually it's a lot more complex issue. Nazi regime is a perfect life lesson how things can escalate out of control quickly by simply putting = sign on everyone's back while defining dangerous stereotypes. Before the war Germany was safe-heaven for ordinary everyday Jew to be in which was quite contrary to conservative and gentile England but after Germany got dragged into WWI things have changed drastically. Their country was torn by English and French who put their own people in German institutions. Banking and monetary system got taken over by thieves who happen to be Jewish from soon to be WJC and who were in it for themselves and not for the country, that's been very well documented. Slavs were also all over the place as they were on the winning side and got cocky. Germans felt humiliated and they just needed a little spark for hell to reign and the rest is history I guess. What idiotic Nazis did is they considered Jews as minority group that sticks together and leaches all the way to the top of the most prominent positions. But that couldn't have been further away from the truth, while Jewish German head bankers were scumbags infiltrated most likely by US and/or England everyday German Jew didn't have nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact those bankers have worked against domestic Jews as well but when stereotypes take over and rage implodes it's a lot easier to take it out on the every day Joe. Obsession of Germany without minority only grew and grew more extreme. They considered Slavs as lazy, unreliable and not up to German working ethics and like that Slavs were a threat to the future so not only they got hunt down in Germany and Austria but they got hunt and killed all the way from Poland to Yugoslavia. Nazi's ethnic cleansing was based on nothing else but stereotypes that got applied to all of the people by marking their houses. Absolute lack of common sense that has resulted in systematically wiping out almost entire Gypsy population in Europe, tens of millions of Slavs and millions of Jews. Hate is a very strong feeling that cancels common sense and when that happens you get to control people quite easy. I'm guessing that few of you here who are Jewish have lost some of your family in WW2 but I'm certain that even fewer know that Hungarians have shipped more European Jews into concentration camps than Germans, they kept bringing them in even after Nazi Germany got cold feet about that whole ethnic cleansing and superior race BS. So should you feel different about Hungarians now because of that? No, but emotion is evoked now. See how that works, it's very dangerous. That's why the best stories from WW2 are the ones where people knew each other and when they saved each other no matter the race or ethnicity. There hundreds of thousands of stories like that. My grandpa has survived the Hungarian concentration camp but he and all of his family almost got beheaded by extremist Muslim squad that was fighting alongside Nazis, they got saved by an ordinary German soldier who didn't want none of that bloodbath in front of him. War is crazy like that man but I believe stereotypes are even crazier. So screw that fried chicken joke. It's not funny cause it's not true neither for African Americans and it's definitely not true for Ethiopians. There is no need for things like that in 2020. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 25, 2019 6:18:50 GMT -5
An interesting take by...Shane Douglas???
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Nov 25, 2019 11:20:08 GMT -5
An interesting take by...Shane Douglas??? I think he really hit the nail on the head about many layers of this issue. |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 25, 2019 12:38:54 GMT -5
I don't agree with it all but nothing there is too unfair.
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FHgrad99
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Post by FHgrad99 on Nov 25, 2019 12:53:13 GMT -5
There is a lot that Shane Douglas said there that makes sense. The people who edited the show should bear some of the responsibility for not editing what Cornette said out of it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 25, 2019 12:54:56 GMT -5
Without question someone who didn't end that out should take a fall too
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Nov 25, 2019 13:37:12 GMT -5
Would be interesting if the editor did go to someone like Lagana saying something or emailing him and Lagana didn't answer him or approved to keep it in.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Nov 25, 2019 13:41:39 GMT -5
When Gentiles have suffered simply because they have existed for 1800 years then you can be offended. When 8 million Gentiles are killed in camps simply because they exist you can be offended. When Gentiles have their property, their livelihood, and their places of worship taken away because they are Gentiles, you can feel free to be offended. When there are people chanting in the streets ‘Gentiles will not replace us’, you can be offended. Until such time, maybe don’t make false equivalencies. If anybody has noticed anything about me at all, I'm multi-racial. There is Jewish ancestry on my father's side. That said, I understand that since it's paternal, it doesn't count. When it's on your father's side, it means you have no claim to being Jewish. I still have a problem with not only being rejected, but also being told that I'm an outsider. I'm ALWAYS told I'm an outsider. Then you should be aware that the term 'Goyim' came about because Jewish people were being treated as if they were outsiders. Gentiles would refer to the 'nation of Jews' to indicate that Jews and Gentiles were from different 'nations'. In other words, they were being othered. Jews started using Goyim, literally 'nation', as a way of taking back the insult that the Gentiles had laid at their feet. It morphed a lot over the intervening centuries until the 20th century where it became mostly affectionate, particularly in the Jewish enclaves like NYC or Montreal. It's only been recently that white people. particularly white nationalists, have started treating it like its derogatory. It's a way of deflecting their racism and also adding an anti-semetic spin on it. You can feel how you want about it but it's role in your life pales in comparrison to where the term came from and what Jewish people have to deal with for two millenia. ETA: Apologies to the Mods. I didn't see the signal to wrap up the conversation. Not sure if this should be deleted but no ill will if it has to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 13:50:16 GMT -5
If anybody has noticed anything about me at all, I'm multi-racial. There is Jewish ancestry on my father's side. That said, I understand that since it's paternal, it doesn't count. When it's on your father's side, it means you have no claim to being Jewish. I still have a problem with not only being rejected, but also being told that I'm an outsider. I'm ALWAYS told I'm an outsider. Then you should be aware that the term 'Goyim' came about because Jewish people were being treated as if they were outsiders. Gentiles would refer to the 'nation of Jews' to indicate that Jews and Gentiles were from different 'nations'. In other words, they were being othered. Jews started using Goyim, literally 'nation', as a way of taking back the insult that the Gentiles had laid at their feet. It morphed a lot over the intervening centuries until the 20th century where it became mostly affectionate, particularly in the Jewish enclaves like NYC or Montreal. It's only been recently that white people. particularly white nationalists, have started treating it like its derogatory. It's a way of deflecting their racism and also adding an anti-semetic spin on it. You can feel how you want about it but it's role in your life pales in comparrison to where the term came from and what Jewish people have to deal with for two millenia. ETA: Apologies to the Mods. I didn't see the signal to wrap up the conversation. Not sure if this should be deleted but no ill will if it has to go. No, but this ends. We are not going to tell other posters how their lives are and aren't effected. Your post basically said the user wasn't Jewish enough so, nope, that ends now. And before anyone on any side of this says about "until 6 million of your people..." Ethnic cleansing has happened to many, many peoples. You tell someone that and they respond with: "No, but my family was wiped out due to the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia" or "My father's family was slaughtered in Darfur". And everything gets very uncomfortable. So, let's dial this back and talk about Cornette. |
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Nov 25, 2019 13:57:03 GMT -5
Everyone must step down until we can direct our outrage somewhere else and then and only then can they return to making their low budget studio wrestling show for Youtube...
Cornette stepped down.
Now it’s time to punish the editor who most likely has zero say in what Jim Cornette says but you know outrage so he should be arbitrarily guilty?
This is the NWA on Youtube... how much blood can we draw from this stone?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 25, 2019 13:59:45 GMT -5
Everyone must step down until we can direct our outrage somewhere else and then and only then can they return to making their low budget studio wrestling show for Youtube... Cornette stepped down. Now it’s time to punish the editor who most likely has zero say in what Jim Cornette says but you know outrage so he should be arbitrarily guilty? This is the NWA on Youtube... how much blood can we draw from this stone? Wrong This was said from the beginning. It is negligence on the editor part and that person job is to look out for shit like this or report it. If they did no such thing they didn't do their job right. Period They had this for weeks, there is no reason why this shouldn't have been caught |
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Nov 25, 2019 14:20:31 GMT -5
Everyone must step down until we can direct our outrage somewhere else and then and only then can they return to making their low budget studio wrestling show for Youtube... Cornette stepped down. Now it’s time to punish the editor who most likely has zero say in what Jim Cornette says but you know outrage so he should be arbitrarily guilty? This is the NWA on Youtube... how much blood can we draw from this stone? Wrong This was said from the beginning. It is negligence on the editor part and that person job is to look out for shit like this or report it. If they did no such thing they didn't do their job right. Period They had this for weeks, there is no reason why this shouldn't have been caught Has the NWA or anyone with real knowledge of the hierarchy confirmed this? Being an editor is a complex job. If you do not know the actual responsibilities of this specific position it may have nothing to do with the editor. I’ve worked as an editor for DVD and Youtube released events before. I NEVER was tasked with auditing the content of commentary. I’m going to assume up until this issue the NWA’s editor was in a similar situation. But it’s 2019 so he’s guilty until proven innocent... |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 25, 2019 14:25:30 GMT -5
Wrong This was said from the beginning. It is negligence on the editor part and that person job is to look out for shit like this or report it. If they did no such thing they didn't do their job right. Period They had this for weeks, there is no reason why this shouldn't have been caught Has the NWA or anyone with real knowledge of the hierarchy confirmed this? Being an editor is a complex job. If you do not know the actual responsibilities of this specific position it may have nothing to do with the editor. I’ve worked as an editor for DVD and Youtube released events before. I NEVER was tasked with auditing the content of commentary. I’m going to assume up until this issue the NWA’s editor was in a similar situation. But it’s 2019 so he’s guilty until proven innocent... So you're saying no one edited the audio? No one double checked and cut down this show to make sure it was good? When I say editor i'm not talking about that specific position i'm talking whoever has that position of editing the show because i'm pretty sure they just take 8 taping blocks and say let's air it as it is |
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Nov 25, 2019 14:41:51 GMT -5
Has the NWA or anyone with real knowledge of the hierarchy confirmed this? Being an editor is a complex job. If you do not know the actual responsibilities of this specific position it may have nothing to do with the editor. I’ve worked as an editor for DVD and Youtube released events before. I NEVER was tasked with auditing the content of commentary. I’m going to assume up until this issue the NWA’s editor was in a similar situation. But it’s 2019 so he’s guilty until proven innocent... So you're saying no one edited the audio? No one double checked and cut down this show to make sure it was good? When I say editor i'm not talking about that specific position i'm talking whoever has that position of editing the show because i'm pretty sure they just take 8 taping blocks and say let's air it as it is I’d imagine the NWA is mixing multiple audio sources together for the final product. Again with knowing very little about how the NWA actually does this I’d imagine the editor is NOT tasked with being the Standards and Practices department for a YouTube TV show. Every single audio/video transition, lower third, match graphic, canned hype video, and/or everything else has to be edited together to make the final product. An editor for comparatively low budget and quite new company most likely will not be tasked with understanding the pulse of a nation. Again, I am not an NWA fan or Cornette fan. I just hate seeing people who most likely are innocent be incorrectly and unfairly raked over the coals. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 25, 2019 14:59:02 GMT -5
So you're saying no one edited the audio? No one double checked and cut down this show to make sure it was good? When I say editor i'm not talking about that specific position i'm talking whoever has that position of editing the show because i'm pretty sure they just take 8 taping blocks and say let's air it as it is I’d imagine the NWA is mixing multiple audio sources together for the final product. Again with knowing very little about how the NWA actually does this I’d imagine the editor is NOT tasked with being the Standards and Practices department for a YouTube TV show. Every single audio/video transition, lower third, match graphic, canned hype video, and/or everything else has to be edited together to make the final product. An editor for comparatively low budget and quite new company most likely will not be tasked with understanding the pulse of a nation. Again, I am not an NWA fan or Cornette fan. I just hate seeing people who most likely are innocent be incorrectly and unfairly raked over the coals. Incorrect, that's precisely a piece of the puzzle for editors. You're responsible for what goes into the edit and if you put something in there that shouldn't be in there, that's you not doing your job right. Hell, in live television--which this isn't, obviously, but just for a comparison point--it is absolutely the job of the people editing the show live to censor things or cut away if there's something they shouldn't be showing. That is absolutely a part of the job. And in the case of NWA Powerrr, we actually have the benefit of some insight into their editing practice, as Lagana spoke a few weeks ago to Meltzer about how he produces and edits the show, and talking about how he actively tries to trim anything unneceessary from the edit to keep it tighter and snappier. The editorial directive on the show is that things that aren't necessary should be trimmed out and cut, which inversely means that anything kept in is something people looked at and thought "Yeah, this should be kept in". In what way does responsibility here not fall onto the editor? |
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Nov 25, 2019 15:19:36 GMT -5
I’d imagine the NWA is mixing multiple audio sources together for the final product. Again with knowing very little about how the NWA actually does this I’d imagine the editor is NOT tasked with being the Standards and Practices department for a YouTube TV show. Every single audio/video transition, lower third, match graphic, canned hype video, and/or everything else has to be edited together to make the final product. An editor for comparatively low budget and quite new company most likely will not be tasked with understanding the pulse of a nation. Again, I am not an NWA fan or Cornette fan. I just hate seeing people who most likely are innocent be incorrectly and unfairly raked over the coals. Incorrect, that's precisely a piece of the puzzle for editors. You're responsible for what goes into the edit and if you put something in there that shouldn't be in there, that's you not doing your job right. Hell, in live television--which this isn't, obviously, but just for a comparison point--it is absolutely the job of the people editing the show live to censor things or cut away if there's something they shouldn't be showing. That is absolutely a part of the job. And in the case of NWA Powerrr, we actually have the benefit of some insight into their editing practice, as Lagana spoke a few weeks ago to Meltzer about how he produces and edits the show, and talking about how he actively tries to trim anything unneceessary from the edit to keep it tighter and snappier. The editorial directive on the show is that things that aren't necessary should be trimmed out and cut, which inversely means that anything kept in is something people looked at and thought "Yeah, this should be kept in". In what way does responsibility here not fall onto the editor? If what you are saying is correct then it seems like the “editor” should have ZERO responsibility and is more on Lagana, who I am assuming does not edit the entire show. The editor most likely is sitting there with Lagana directing him for portions. Again, we are both making assumptions, but I’m presuming innocence before guilt. Is it possible this is so low budget that the director is the producer and also edit the entire program from top to bottom? Maybe. If not, I wouldn’t arbitrarily blame the editor. Have you worked in the industry or edited wrestling programming? I’m curious where your “fault the editor” stance is coming from. |
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