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Post by eJm on Dec 17, 2019 10:23:18 GMT -5
Meltz and Alvarez trashed the refs and officials for this when they reviewed the show. Said it wasn't Charlotte's fault nor the fault of any of the wrestlers, it's the fault of those others because it's their jobs to keep a look out on this. Before I took a break from wrestling to start my new job, the school I went to had a meeting before one of their shows and said adamantly that we need to be more prepared for in case accidents happen. As in more people need to come forward as first aiders or train if they can and we need to be able to jump in and protect the people working if something were to happen. The two head trainers were first aiders and we had a trainee medic on staff to guide people but the point was, they didn't want to be negligent to workers as well as, in a minor point, risk the venue's reputation or the ability to use it again. And this was an indie that was attended, at most, by about 200-300 people. This is a Forbes 500 billion-dollar entertainment company that's shown to millions of people every week worldwide. For THEM to not be prepared is inexcusable.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 17, 2019 10:27:10 GMT -5
Well, he hasn't trained anyone to do what he does for whatever reason. Well, he has Hunter. But Hunter wasn't there either. So there's no excuse. And again. It wasn't a house show. It wasn't RAW, SmackDown or NXT. It wasn't even an average PPV with non-gimmick matches. It was Tables Ladders and Chairs. There's no excuse for Vince or Hunter to not be there. This is bonkers. Literally a dozen posts with cold eyed certainty about something you don't have the slightest bit of information about. Like, do you know what goes on backstage in regards to who's safeguarding the wellness of the wrestlers? What protocols are in place for injuries? What Hunter and Vince's responsibilities are to deal with anything like this during an event? What changes when they're not there? How often they're not there? It's just pontificating on something for the sake of doing so. Did you forget when Bryan got the stinger against Orton and Triple H literally walked out and ended the match personally? Seems like it.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 17, 2019 10:34:12 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Dec 17, 2019 10:40:39 GMT -5
It's Sportskeedia but if they did blame them, and they don't seem to from booking wise, then I'd pretty much be more done than I would be because that'd be real head in the sand shit.
But again, they don't seem to and if anything, did a better job than anyone else around them did.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 17, 2019 10:45:15 GMT -5
It's Sportskeedia but if they did blame them, and they don't seem to from booking wise, then I'd pretty much be more done than I would be because that'd be real head in the sand shit. But again, they don't seem to and if anything, did a better job than anyone else around them did.
Of course SK isn't the ideal source, but Colohue was also one of the first to report on Kairi's injury being checked out after the show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 11:05:47 GMT -5
The only people I seem blaming the wrestlers are angry fans who always lash out on wrestlers. Nobody who watches the match and realizes what's going on should blame any of them.
The refs and officials are a different story though. They were just stupid last night.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 17, 2019 11:10:31 GMT -5
The only people I seem blaming the wrestlers are angry fans who always lash out on wrestlers. Nobody who watches the match and realizes what's going on should blame any of them. The refs and officials are a different story though. They were just stupid last night. This was a management issue, not the talent. The only thing I saw that gave me pause was the slap, but really, how could Charlotte know? The referees, doctors and management failed here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 11:16:35 GMT -5
That right there is exactly what everyone has said since the match and finding out about Kairi.
Charlotte may be a great wrestler but clearly after this match has soooo much more to learn specifically about being cognizant of her opponents well being during a match.
And that is some BS in that she was already in the air for the powerbomb so it was too late...the same powerbomb that she was barely conscience for and Charlotte struggling to get her into place for, the same powerbomb she was tapping out for on Charlotte.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 11:24:01 GMT -5
That right there is exactly what everyone has said since the match and finding out about Kairi. Charlotte may be a great wrestler but clearly after this match has soooo much more to learn specifically about being cognizant of her opponents well being during a match.
And that is some BS in that she was already in the air for the powerbomb so it was too late...the same powerbomb that she was barely conscience for and Charlotte struggling to get her into place for, the same powerbomb she was tapping out for on Charlotte. This is what I don't get it.
You need to be saying that for everyone involved and not just Charlotte and that includes Becky because Becky only found out after Kairi told her she was hurt which, as we saw, Kairi didn't tell Charlotte about. If Kairi didn't tell Becky that she was hurt then Becky would be in the exact same situation. Like, it's not any of their faults nor should they have to be given the whole "hey they gotta pay more attention to their peers" thing when it's the refs and officials who need to get that given it's their actual job to notice if someone was hurt.
Why are we saying "hey they need to pay more attention" when it's the ref and officials jobs to be doing this and making sure they're ok? Why are we talking about Charlotte here when we clearly see a ref talk to Kairi before Charlotte made her way over there and Charlotte then continued?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 17, 2019 11:25:35 GMT -5
Meltz and Alvarez trashed the refs and officials for this when they reviewed the show. Said it wasn't Charlotte's fault nor the fault of any of the wrestlers, it's the fault of those others because it's their jobs to keep a look out on this. As much as it's the wrestlers' responsibility to take care of who they're in the ring with, people are going to get hurt. The whole support structure built around this to keep wrestlers safe is on management, ringside personnel, and refs so that if an accident or injury does occur, there's people whose job it is to drop everything and take care of that problem. The fact we've got footage of Becky trying to sneak Kairi under the ring to get out of the lights and is taking care of her while the people running the show whose job this is don't do anything is absolutely baffling to me. There's times where wrestlers blow a spot and you can see them left unsure what to do because their matches are so micromanaged and laid out for them, but here you have people improvising to cover for everyone else not doing their jobs. Also, as communication goes in things people brought up, definitely hard to know you have a concussion and tell someone that even when you're not trying to use the brain power to speak a second language to do it.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Dec 17, 2019 11:46:53 GMT -5
This is bonkers. Literally a dozen posts with cold eyed certainty about something you don't have the slightest bit of information about. Like, do you know what goes on backstage in regards to who's safeguarding the wellness of the wrestlers? What protocols are in place for injuries? What Hunter and Vince's responsibilities are to deal with anything like this during an event? What changes when they're not there? How often they're not there? It's just pontificating on something for the sake of doing so. Did you forget when Bryan got the stinger against Orton and Triple H literally walked out and ended the match personally? Seems like it. I'll take that as a 'no' then. Pontificate away.
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Post by theironyuppie on Dec 17, 2019 11:47:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 11:51:44 GMT -5
Meltz and Alvarez trashed the refs and officials for this when they reviewed the show. Said it wasn't Charlotte's fault nor the fault of any of the wrestlers, it's the fault of those others because it's their jobs to keep a look out on this. As much as it's the wrestlers' responsibility to take care of who they're in the ring with, people are going to get hurt. The whole support structure built around this to keep wrestlers safe is on management, ringside personnel, and refs so that if an accident or injury does occur, there's people whose job it is to drop everything and take care of that problem. The fact we've got footage of Becky trying to sneak Kairi under the ring to get out of the lights and is taking care of her while the people running the show whose job this is don't do anything is absolutely baffling to me. There's times where wrestlers blow a spot and you can see them left unsure what to do because their matches are so micromanaged and laid out for them, but here you have people improvising to cover for everyone else not doing their jobs. Also, as communication goes in things people brought up, definitely hard to know you have a concussion and tell someone that even when you're not trying to use the brain power to speak a second language to do it. It's crazy. I took these screenshots of what happened prior to the spear/powerbomb spot. Here we clearly see this ref check with Kairi, we see Becky talking to the other ref about the match and we see Charlotte and Asuka looking at Kairi and the ref, Charlotte's waiting for the signal. The ref then leaves and Charlotte gets the spear ready. These pictures say a lot about the inner workings of a match. Like, she's clearly seeing if it's ok for her to continue and it should be the ref's job to stop the match or switch things up here. I don't get it.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 17, 2019 11:53:58 GMT -5
As much as it's the wrestlers' responsibility to take care of who they're in the ring with, people are going to get hurt. The whole support structure built around this to keep wrestlers safe is on management, ringside personnel, and refs so that if an accident or injury does occur, there's people whose job it is to drop everything and take care of that problem. The fact we've got footage of Becky trying to sneak Kairi under the ring to get out of the lights and is taking care of her while the people running the show whose job this is don't do anything is absolutely baffling to me. There's times where wrestlers blow a spot and you can see them left unsure what to do because their matches are so micromanaged and laid out for them, but here you have people improvising to cover for everyone else not doing their jobs. Also, as communication goes in things people brought up, definitely hard to know you have a concussion and tell someone that even when you're not trying to use the brain power to speak a second language to do it. It's crazy. I took these screenshots of what happened prior to the spear/powerbomb spot. Here we clearly see this ref check with Kairi, we see Becky talking to the other ref about the match and we see Charlotte and Asuka looking at Kairi in the ref, Charlotte's waiting for the signal. The ref then leaves and Charlotte gets the spear ready. These pictures say a lot about the inner workings of a match. Like, she's clearly seeing if it's ok for her to continue and it should be the ref's job to stop the match or switch things up here. I don't get it. I'm confident that none of these referees have enough spine to stop the match without someone in management making the call.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 17, 2019 11:56:06 GMT -5
The one thing for Charlotte that looks really bad is the slap. I guess you can argue Charlotte should have checked on her, but this could honestly be the first time she ever ran into the situation and didnt know what to do nor notice.
Either way I feel WWE really handled the whole thing poorly.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 17, 2019 12:09:21 GMT -5
Well, he hasn't trained anyone to do what he does for whatever reason. Well, he has Hunter. But Hunter wasn't there either. So there's no excuse. And again. It wasn't a house show. It wasn't RAW, SmackDown or NXT. It wasn't even an average PPV with non-gimmick matches. It was Tables Ladders and Chairs. There's no excuse for Vince or Hunter to not be there. This is bonkers. Literally a dozen posts with cold eyed certainty about something you don't have the slightest bit of information about. Like, do you know what goes on backstage in regards to who's safeguarding the wellness of the wrestlers? What protocols are in place for injuries? What Hunter and Vince's responsibilities are to deal with anything like this during an event? What changes when they're not there? How often they're not there? It's just pontificating on something for the sake of doing so. Here's what I'm certain about: someone got hurt, and whatever system was in place to protect them did not properly do so. Maybe we don't know the exact, strict protocols, but either they weren't working properly that night or they were working entirely as planned and absolutely suck. We sitting at home were able to tell something was wrong before the story had come out, and if a bunch of untrained viewers are taken out of enjoying the show by something being wrong, the fact that the trained referees at ringside and all the people at gorilla dealing with the show whose job it should be to watch for these things failed to do so is bad no matter which way you split it. If you leave people in charge in your absence who don't do their jobs, yeah there's an argument to be made that part of that is on you. Especially when the mistake wasn't a small little oopsie but a continued risk of Kairi getting even more hurt and suffering even more damage by staying in the match.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 17, 2019 13:08:08 GMT -5
It's crazy. I took these screenshots of what happened prior to the spear/powerbomb spot. Here we clearly see this ref check with Kairi, we see Becky talking to the other ref about the match and we see Charlotte and Asuka looking at Kairi in the ref, Charlotte's waiting for the signal. The ref then leaves and Charlotte gets the spear ready. These pictures say a lot about the inner workings of a match. Like, she's clearly seeing if it's ok for her to continue and it should be the ref's job to stop the match or switch things up here. I don't get it. I'm confident that none of these referees have enough spine to stop the match without someone in management making the call. Spine don't matter It is literally part of your job to stop a match if someone can't go
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Post by eJm on Dec 17, 2019 13:13:06 GMT -5
I'm confident that none of these referees have enough spine to stop the match without someone in management making the call. Spine don't matter It is literally part of your job to stop a match if someone can't go And if management has an issue with it then that’d say a whole lot more about them then it does about the officials.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 17, 2019 13:16:45 GMT -5
Spine don't matter It is literally part of your job to stop a match if someone can't go And if management has an issue with it then that’d say a whole lot more about them then it does about the officials. Precisely which goes back to common sense If Vince and HHH left greenhorns back there then I can understand the backlash against them. They left Heyman and Prichard back there. They have crews and people who work on this stuff every week. You don't need Vince or HHH to know what's wrong and Heyman and Prichard have many many years in the business to spot this shit As been said before, it is just a massive breakdown on many levels from people who should know better
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 17, 2019 13:29:31 GMT -5
I'm confident that none of these referees have enough spine to stop the match without someone in management making the call. Spine don't matter It is literally part of your job to stop a match if someone can't go But that's the culture of this company and it always has been, there's a pressure, whether it's only implied or policy, that the show carry on. Look at what happened with Owen. And that's definitely wrong, but no one's going to prematurely end a match or a show unless one of the top names in management says something.
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