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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 6, 2020 17:21:45 GMT -5
Yup. It's something that has the potential to snowball, with each new side-effect of the ongoing climate change contributing to its cause or the cause of another side-effect. Yep. Chain reaction. Icebergs melting is bad enough, which cause higher tides, which will engulf and drown more and more vegetation, cutting even more oxygen replenishment, etc. I think that, of all the many problems that climate change causes, you can move that last part WAY down the list. The majority of the oxygen you breathe is produced by water-borne protists. The main problem that melting of the ice caps will cause is an interruption of the existing flow of ocean water. It is already slowing, which is why warm tropical water is fueling more strong storms. Normally the warm water would flow away from the equator, cooling the tropics. Instead, the warm water stews in the hot sun and gets even hotter.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 7, 2020 11:31:00 GMT -5
Yep. Chain reaction. Icebergs melting is bad enough, which cause higher tides, which will engulf and drown more and more vegetation, cutting even more oxygen replenishment, etc. I think that, of all the many problems that climate change causes, you can move that last part WAY down the list. The majority of the oxygen you breathe is produced by water-borne protists. The main problem that melting of the ice caps will cause is an interruption of the existing flow of ocean water. It is already slowing, which is why warm tropical water is fueling more strong storms. Normally the warm water would flow away from the equator, cooling the tropics. Instead, the warm water stews in the hot sun and gets even hotter. So, basically, we're all dead?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 11:32:18 GMT -5
I think that, of all the many problems that climate change causes, you can move that last part WAY down the list. The majority of the oxygen you breathe is produced by water-borne protists. The main problem that melting of the ice caps will cause is an interruption of the existing flow of ocean water. It is already slowing, which is why warm tropical water is fueling more strong storms. Normally the warm water would flow away from the equator, cooling the tropics. Instead, the warm water stews in the hot sun and gets even hotter. So, basically, we're all dead? Sorry to break it to you buddy, but yeah, that's where we are all headed.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 7, 2020 11:59:36 GMT -5
I think that, of all the many problems that climate change causes, you can move that last part WAY down the list. The majority of the oxygen you breathe is produced by water-borne protists. The main problem that melting of the ice caps will cause is an interruption of the existing flow of ocean water. It is already slowing, which is why warm tropical water is fueling more strong storms. Normally the warm water would flow away from the equator, cooling the tropics. Instead, the warm water stews in the hot sun and gets even hotter. So, basically, we're all dead? It probably isn't the worst case extinction scenario the more fervent doomsayers are talking about, but I think over the course of the next century the number of humans on the planet will decline. In fact, it's pretty much inevitable given the exponential, unsustainable growth over the last 150 years.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jan 7, 2020 12:04:37 GMT -5
So, basically, we're all dead? Sorry to break it to you buddy, but yeah, that's where we are all headed. I mean are we expecting to see a Mad Max style future in our lifetime?
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 7, 2020 12:09:47 GMT -5
Geopolitically the first effect of climate change will be climate refugees.
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Post by warden on Jan 7, 2020 12:09:56 GMT -5
Sorry to break it to you buddy, but yeah, that's where we are all headed. I mean are we expecting to see a Mad Max style future in our lifetime? Probably more closer to a judge dredd scenario
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 7, 2020 12:21:35 GMT -5
So, basically, we're all dead? It probably isn't the worst case extinction scenario the more fervent doomsayers are talking about, but I think over the course of the next century the number of humans on the planet will decline. In fact, it's pretty much inevitable given the exponential, unsustainable growth over the last 150 years. I don’t necessarily know about that, there will be certain new realities that we will need to account for: 1) More frequent and stronger on average hurricanes and typhoons will be the norm. You can already see that pattern starting. 2) Some regions will suffer terrible droughts while other areas will get far more rain than they are adapted to. You can see this one happening as well. 3) Rapidly changing environments will result in mass die-offs of the existing organisms in said environments. Considering how complex the various interactions between organisms can be, this could affect crops we grow to feed ourselves. 4) Melting the icecaps also lowers the albedo of the planet, causing more solar radiation to be absorbed, accelerating these processes. Is it all doom and gloom? No, it isn’t. At our current technological levels we can produce way more food than we need to feed everyone. Hunger is simply due to a lack of will to prevent it. New technologies are being produced even now to improve upon our ability to produce. What’s more, we CAN do stuff to reverse the process. Acid rain used to be a frequent problem but we found the will to change things to prevent it. We found the will to take steps to stop damaging the ozone layer and it has been recovering. The real question is “How much damage has to be done before we find the will to fix this?”
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Post by thechase on Jan 7, 2020 13:57:40 GMT -5
It probably isn't the worst case extinction scenario the more fervent doomsayers are talking about, but I think over the course of the next century the number of humans on the planet will decline. In fact, it's pretty much inevitable given the exponential, unsustainable growth over the last 150 years. I don’t necessarily know about that, there will be certain new realities that we will need to account for: 1) More frequent and stronger on average hurricanes and typhoons will be the norm. You can already see that pattern starting. 2) Some regions will suffer terrible droughts while other areas will get far more rain than they are adapted to. You can see this one happening as well. 3) Rapidly changing environments will result in mass die-offs of the existing organisms in said environments. Considering how complex the various interactions between organisms can be, this could affect crops we grow to feed ourselves. 4) Melting the icecaps also lowers the albedo of the planet, causing more solar radiation to be absorbed, accelerating these processes. Is it all doom and gloom? No, it isn’t. At our current technological levels we can produce way more food than we need to feed everyone. Hunger is simply due to a lack of will to prevent it. New technologies are being produced even now to improve upon our ability to produce. What’s more, we CAN do stuff to reverse the process. Acid rain used to be a frequent problem but we found the will to change things to prevent it. We found the will to take steps to stop damaging the ozone layer and it has been recovering. The real question is “How much damage has to be done before we find the will to fix this?”
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 8, 2020 10:27:00 GMT -5
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 8, 2020 11:02:26 GMT -5
I mean are we expecting to see a Mad Max style future in our lifetime? Probably more closer to a judge dredd scenario Stallone Dredd or Urban Dredd?
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 8, 2020 11:24:17 GMT -5
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Post by warden on Jan 8, 2020 12:42:35 GMT -5
Probably more closer to a judge dredd scenario Stallone Dredd or Urban Dredd? Little bit of both. We would live in the more urban setting but the cursed earth would be more like the stallone one. And once in a while you would hear I am the laaaaawwww
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 13:07:13 GMT -5
Also doesn't help that the de facto "mascot" of animal campaigns is a useless slug of a creature that, by all accounts, should have gone extinct by now but we refuse to let it because it's too dang adorable. Meanwhile thousands of creatures are either threatened or vulnerable to extinction and we won't do anything about it since they won't make a good plush toy.
Our priorities are biased towards saving what we like, not everything freaking thing that needs saving.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jan 8, 2020 19:45:38 GMT -5
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Jan 8, 2020 21:13:12 GMT -5
The AFL are putting on friendly all stars charity match much like the state of origin it used to have to raise money for bushfire relief. It will be Victoria vs All Stars and will be held at Marvel Stadium on Friday February 28th. It will probably sell out quick. Guessing they won’t have time to convert the MCG from the cricket pitch to the football ground, because I’m sure it would have been held there if it was so. Richmond coach Damien Hardwick will coach the big V, while Sydney’s John Longmire will coach the All Stars. No players have been announced at this stage. www.afl.com.au/news/365314/afl-confirms-state-of-origin-match-makes-massive-donation
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 9, 2020 10:29:43 GMT -5
I think that, of all the many problems that climate change causes, you can move that last part WAY down the list. The majority of the oxygen you breathe is produced by water-borne protists. The main problem that melting of the ice caps will cause is an interruption of the existing flow of ocean water. It is already slowing, which is why warm tropical water is fueling more strong storms. Normally the warm water would flow away from the equator, cooling the tropics. Instead, the warm water stews in the hot sun and gets even hotter. So, basically, we're all dead? We, as in humans will probably survive because we're stubborn pricks like that. Rest of the planet is f***ed though.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 9, 2020 11:51:06 GMT -5
Stallone Dredd or Urban Dredd? Little bit of both. We would live in the more urban setting but the cursed earth would be more like the stallone one. And once in a while you would hear I am the laaaaawwww So Schneider then. Damn.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 9, 2020 11:58:05 GMT -5
Geopolitically the first effect of climate change will be climate refugees. That is essentially already happening, though the bulk of them are fleeing the conflicts over resources made more scarce by climate change. Some are moving from Puerto Rico to places like Florida since at least Florida gets put back together after hurricanes hit there.
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